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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 22:26:25 GMT
I went to a place today that has something in common with Totnes: no branch of Costa; no Marks and Spencer; plenty of independent traders. It's also a community which has a distinct political outlook that, rather than being particularly green or liberal, is more closely-associated with traditional working-class labourism borne out of a staple industry. Culturally, however, the two communities may be quite different. It's doubtful whether too many people called Kiri ever made it from South Elmsall to study fine art at Dartington. But, if they did, they would probably have been as bemused as the rest of us over exactly what Dartington meant by fine art. As with so many other things on the Elmhirst estate, fine art could be whatever you wanted it to be. What's this got to do with football? Well, the town may be South Elmsall but the colliery was Frickley. And the football team is most definitely Frickley Athletic of the Northern Premier League. You may or may not have heard of them. And, even if you have, you may have forgotten that they were once runners-up in what is now the Blue Square Premier. That was in 1986, the year before the league became the Conference and they introduced automatic promotion. That year Frickley finished above the likes of Kidderminster, Cheltenham, Boston, Barnet, Scarborough, Maidstone, Dagenham and Wycombe. Today Frickley - 19th in the league - were playing second-placed Hednesford at Westfield Lane which overlooks reclaimed Coal Board land on the outskirts of South Elmsall. The town lies in the Doncaster-Barnsley-Wakefield triangle next to the Leeds-London railway line and not too far from the A1. Somehow its smallness, and the adjoining colliery land, gives the football ground a certain edge-of-nowhere feel. I liked it for that and it made me stop and think just how a decent standard of football has been played in this little-known place for several generations. Furthermore there's a certain faded grandeur thanks to the sizeable main stand. And, in true coalfield tradition, there's an adjoining cricket field and bowls club just along the way. By grace of God it's association football. A few miles north it would be rugby league. Today's game was played on a pitch that had recovered well from the frozen conditions of the last few days - we had horrendous ice and freezing fog across South and West Yorkshire yesterday - and heavy overnight rain. In truth it wasn't always a great game but Frickley matched their better-placed opponents from the West Midlands. Frickley went ahead; Hednesford equalised; even at the break. Then, just as my interest started to wane, Frickley scored again through a cracking individual effort. This awakened me and I found myself willing Frickley to hang on. They did. It quite made my day.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 0:04:35 GMT
My mate Steve is leader of South Elmsall Town Council and tells me that the mners at Frickley Colliery used to have a deduction made from their weekly pay in order to keep the football club going. The loss of the pit explains why the team isn't such a contender nowadays.
There used to be at least three pits within a couple of miiles: Frickley, South Elmsall and South Kirkby. If you have seen Kes you will be familiar with the acceptance that all the local lads would be going down the pit when they left school. The NCB did its best to ensure that remained the case by not allowing any competition, and so villages like South Elmsall were always one-industry communities. There is an industrial estate there now which has replaced a few of the jobs which were lost when the pits closed down but it would never have been built while they were still open.
South Kirkby and South Elmsall ward is the poorest within the boundaries of Wakefield, a city borough which includes three Rugby League clubs in Wakefield Trinity, Castleford and Featherstone Rovers, but has never seen League football. Wakefield City FC tried to join the League in 1921 but failed to make it and so the oval ball has been dominant in this particular part of Yorkshire ever since, apart from at Frickley, which is really a bit of South Yorkshire accidentally included in the West. When South Elmsall folk go shopping they go not to Wakefield but to Doncaster, Sheffield or to the hell on earth known as Meadowhall.
Personally, I'd rather give that a miss and go to see Frickley Athletic play Hednesford any day. A wise choice by Barton with only 9 shopping days left before Xmas.
Quiz question: Which local boy did escape the mines to become an authentic FA Cup hero in cider country in the 1970s?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 12:56:47 GMT
Quiz question: Which local boy did escape the mines to become an authentic FA Cup hero in cider country in the 1970s? Cider country? You talking about a Yeovil giant killer? Oh I see, Hereford. That'll be Ronnie Radford. And John Radford of Arsenal fame was from just up the road at Hemsworth. Torquay player from Hemsworth?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 13:43:48 GMT
My mate Steve is leader of South Elmsall Town Council and tells me that the miners at Frickley Colliery used to have a deduction made from their weekly pay in order to keep the football club going. The loss of the pit explains why the team isn't such a contender nowadays. That's a fascinating piece of social history. I wonder if that continued until the closure of the colliery at Frickley? Or only until the football club changed its name from Frickley Colliery to Frickley Athletic in the 1970s? The name change occurred when the club joined the Northern Premier League; the club's best years coincided with the miners' strikes of the 1980s. And here's a curiosity: Frickley Colliery played in the Cheshire League in the 1960s. Apparently there's been a new Frickley Colliery club knocking about the Sheffield and Hallamshire County Senior - another South Elmsall club renamed. South Kirkby and South Elmsall ward is the poorest within the boundaries of Wakefield, a city borough which includes three Rugby League clubs in Wakefield Trinity, Castleford and Featherstone Rovers, but has never seen League football. Wakefield City FC tried to join the League in 1921 but failed to make it and so the oval ball has been dominant in this particular part of Yorkshire ever since Around the time of Wakefield City's application there was a strong Castleford Town club that played in the Midland League. But Wildebeeste is right about rugby league and we've been discussing possible summer visits to Featherstone and Castleford. That little patch of rugby leagueness may explain why Yorkshire has comparatively few clubs operating at a reasonably high level of non-league football. I've been to Bradford PA, Guiseley, Harrogate and Frickley in West Yorkshire this season. I keep expecting there to be more clubs around there to visit but can't get excited by the Ossetts and Garforth. Were it not for the self-styled "Greatest Game" there would surely be more. Having said that, Frickley is a gem. If you only ever visit one non-league ground in Yorkshire you could do far worse. .....which is really a bit of South Yorkshire accidentally included in the West. When South Elmsall folk go shopping they go not to Wakefield but to Doncaster, Sheffield or to the hell on earth known as Meadowhall. And I'll confess I thought South Elmsall was in South Yorkshire until a few months ago. A boundary oddity from the 1970s? Mind you, I was also convinced it was about five miles closer to Donny than it really is. Returning home from Leeds I've noticed the teatime Meadowhall-bound shoppers getting on the train at places such as Moorthorpe, Bolton and Swinton. But, yesterday as the train for Sheffield arrived at Moorthorpe, hordes of shoppers got off. They'd been north for the day: most likely Leeds rather than Wakefield? The West Yorkshire association, by dint of spurious lines on the map or not, clearly resonates with the supporters of FC United. Plenty of LEEDS SHITE graffiti in the gents at Frickley. Would they support Leeds around there? Or are the FCummers mistaken?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 15:32:43 GMT
A Torquay player from Hemsworth? Sounds to me like one for Jon. Although the two Radfords came from so close to each other they are not related unlike the very tall McCombe brothers Jamie (Doncaster) and John (Port Vale) who both grew up in South Elmsall. and whose other brother is Steve's son in law.
I expect there are Leeds fans around but as far as I know the most popular team in the village is still Frickley Athletic. They played Rotherham United home and away in the Cup in the 1970s and I bet the atmosphere was pretty fantastic at those games. Westfield Lane was also graced, in the twlight of his playing career, by the great Alan Birch, previously of Walsall, Chesterfield, Wolves, Barnsley, Chesterfield again and Rotherham.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 16:54:31 GMT
There you go, Wildebeeste. John McCombe one-time Torquay United loan signing.
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Post by Dave on Dec 16, 2012 18:02:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 18:51:36 GMT
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Post by lambethgull on Dec 16, 2012 19:00:25 GMT
Cracking thread and photographs, and I'll admit that Barton's contributions have inspired me to dip my toe into the waters of midweek non-league football. Currently compiling a shortlist for the New Year.
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Post by Jon on Dec 16, 2012 19:17:37 GMT
A Torquay player from Hemsworth? Sounds to me like one for Jon. Without even cheating.... PHIL LLOYD. A man so hard that you had to cut off both his arms and both his legs for him to miss a game through injury. Unfortunately, Mark Gall of Maidstone did just that. With a little cheating, ERIC PRICE.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 17:18:29 GMT
Cracking thread and photographs, and I'll admit that Barton's contributions have inspired me to dip my toe into the waters of midweek non-league football. Currently compiling a shortlist for the New Year. Hopefully you'll not be disappointed. Hampton and Richmond?
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Post by lambethgull on Dec 17, 2012 17:35:05 GMT
Cracking thread and photographs, and I'll admit that Barton's contributions have inspired me to dip my toe into the waters of midweek non-league football. Currently compiling a shortlist for the New Year. Hopefully you'll not be disappointed. Hampton and Richmond? Will be doing SE London first. Don't want to reveal too much due to Guess the Ground
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 10:50:58 GMT
Further enquiries reveal that on Saturdays football fans leave Sath Emsull and Sath Kirby and head for places like Barnsley, Doncaster and Sheffield but that the two most popular teams apart from Frickley are (boo, hiss) Leeds and Manchester United.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 17:10:31 GMT
Further enquiries reveal that on Saturdays football fans leave Sath Emsull and Sath Kirby and head for places like Barnsley, Doncaster and Sheffield but that the two most popular teams apart from Frickley are (boo, hiss) Leeds and Manchester United. Ah yes, the Yorkshire interest in Manchester United. Includes Geoff Boycott, I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 10:26:13 GMT
At least Michael Vaughan is a Wednesday fan and Darren Gough supports Barnsley. Charman of selectors Geoff Miller is an old boy of Chesterfield Grammar School and is a fan of his local team.
Graeme Swann has been seen more than once at Chesterfield as well but that's not due to a lifelong love for the Spireites but rather his friendship with Jack Lester. The Chuckle Brothers follow Rotherham United, Jessica Ennis is a Blade and Roy Hattersley an Owl. Arthur Scargill follows Leeds, making him less popular than he would like to be at Barnsley, while Leeds born and raised TV actor John Simm had better stay away from his home city after declaring his love for Man United. Colin Welland will be welcomed home any time though since he is a lifelong Leeds devotee.
Look North's football reporter Paul Ogden has to pretend he wants Leeds to win when he is in fact a diehard Huddersfield fan. Harry Gration supports York City even though he is from Bradford but Paul the weather man, from Keighley, roots for Bradford City. ITV commentator John Helm was left without a team when Bradford Park Avenue disappeared but maybe he follows the new team in the Conference North; I hope he does.
Apparently Edward Elgar was a Wolves fan and there is some young blonde lass on the telly who follows Torquay but I wouldn't know about that.
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