Benefits cut for 3 years....

Wildebeest you should not feel bad about starting this thread, a thread that has got to ten pages with over 90 posts on it. Such threads so often do get a bit heated and the wrong things said on them, that is just the nature of forums sometimes. I have always felt as adults we should be able to discuss most things on here, but then there are times I say the wrong things, or simply fail to get across what I mean. Stefano summed up where I was really coming from in a few lines, maybe I should try to do it that way in future.

There was a time on here when it seemed we forgot we were a football forum first and foremost, I said at the time I was thinking about reducing the boards and have just football ones only. But so many on here did not want that to happen and one of the things that did make the TFF different was you could be reading about old railway stations one day and our latest signing the next day.

Have you really been with us since June? how time flies and as far as the TFF members are concerned, you were a breath of fresh air on here when you joined and like Nick, have added so much interesting content on the TFF. Please keep adding to the TFF what you have been doing since you joined, the forum needs members like you and Nick, Jon, Timbo and if we all ended up as just readers, we would soon run out of things to read.

We loath locking threads on here and so we won't be doing that, once the final post gets made on this thread, it will in time slip off the first page and be resigned to history.

No problem at all, Serg. The day that coppers and those of a  unionist persuasion start to agree with me is the day I reassess my ideas

Make all the observations you want Lambie, but try not to jump to the wrong concussions. I was up very late On Wednesday night adding a load of new codes ready for when I change the forum software over at the end of the month. I have to use it from April and would rather use it as soon as possible so any problems can be sorted out. The new codes screwed the forum up and when I went to remove them I removed parts of other codes as well. I had to give up as I needed to be up at 5am for work. I had to go out on Thursday night and got up at 3am to remove all the codes that have been added to the TFF and put back in the most important ones.. This took until 5am to complete. This morning I have put back in the remaining codes. Rob was fully aware of the problems.

very true Lambie but as I said that was not the case this time. Right click the forum and select view source and you will see all the added codes and while I'm not too bad at working with them, I'm no computer expert. I will at the end of the month just switch over the new software and clear out all the codes and just add them back one by one.

Action precedes understanding, so it's probably a little late unfortunately.

But you only have to ask to you know

Don't know who wrote this, but it is a simple explanation of why Socialism doesn't work and never will, not even in Lambies lalaland. He's still yet to come up with a single Socialist State that has been successful. Of course he can't because there isn't one.

CLASSROOM SOCIALISM

Is this man truly a genius?
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before b...ut had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an “A”.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a “B”. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride
too so they studied little. The second test average was a “D”! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the new average was an “F”.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

Human nature will always cause socialism's style of government to fail because the world has producers and non-producers (makers and takers).

It could not be any simpler than that.

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Whoa lambie, you're way over thinking stuff again. It doesn't work lambie, never has. Your idealistic Utopian society cannot exist it goes against human nature and the animal spirits. The "worthy" cause you seek always gets hijacked by psycopaths and criminals who proceed to commit mass murder. Anyway, just for you