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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Mar 10, 2013 8:50:00 GMT
Not really much to add to the comments already posted on the match so just a few observations. Though the new guy Ladabie stiffened up the midfield quite well, telling point being that the first 2 goals resulted from hoofed balls for Constable to chase. Its only the usually reliable Downes (very out of character) missing the ball for the first and an innocuous shirt hold for the penalty that cost us to be honest. Have to confess I didnt see the third as I was just leaving when the noise came from the other end to signify another goal. As for the comments on Oastler Dave, his passing was just as poor in the 1st half though probably not so easy to see from the pop side. How he can start ahead of Danny mystifies me.
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Post by Dave on Mar 10, 2013 9:18:03 GMT
So many times in the morning when you wake up things do not look as bad as they did the night before. For me that is not the case this morning and the pain of yesterdays defeat is still so very strong. I can’t remember a time when so many fans all started to walk out of Plainmoor when that third goal went in. I know some fans had already left the ground and even I had starting walking myself when the ball hit the back of the net. As it was I had only got level with the halfway line when the ref blew up, but it is something I have never done before.
I do wonder if our fans have had the passion sucked out of them this season, there was just an air of acceptance when the game ended, I found that a bit strange as I was expecting some fans at least to either boo, or shout out some sort of abuse. When things have been this bad in the past there was talk of protests, match boycotts etc, but not this time around as far as I’m aware. Maybe what the club has tried to do off the field this season is one of the reasons, fans have tried to understand and look at the bigger picture.
The gate was better than I expected it to be at yesterday’s game that tells me that most fans had not given up hope before the kick-off, but that may well have changed due to the result of the game and we are in danger of seeing our gates fall rapidly if we do not find a win soon.
The pain of defeat, that feeling of bitter disappointment is nothing new to any football fan, it’s just some of the emotions that go hand in hand with those feelings of joy and happiness when your team wins or achieves something. The problem right now is that Torquay United fans have been suffering for a good while now and there has been very little for them to cheer about, or at least lift their sprits a bit higher than they are.
A new manager coming in gave us some hope, but sadly results have not improved, we ended up pinning all our hopes on a new lone player yesterday and while he did well for us, he was never going to be the answer to all our problems himself.
Like you I do not have a crystal ball, I do not know if we will lose most of our remaining games, or win a good few of them, I can only guess what might happen if and when it looks certain we are going down. In my opinion the fans will just vote with their feet, there will no protests as such, but fans may well air their feelings toward the board of this club and will surely lay the blame firmly on their shoulders.
It all seems a very sad state of affairs to me, so much good work done to get us back into the football league, so many off field improvements made, but this season they have made at the cost of our first team and in my opinion that should never have been allowed to happen.
But it has and its now all about where we go from here, its all about what the board do to try and save us from relegation, the problem being is it might have been left too late, the warning signs were ignored and that for me is unforgivable knowing just what is at stake here.
I do not think the players we have here can give anymore, they have never lacked effort and that is to their credit, but they have shown as a team they are not quite good enough. It is possible we can find and bring in two or three players that can turn our results around, but we all know just how difficult that is for a club likes ours down here in the west country. No real problem if you are the manager of a club in the Midlands lets say, you may be only asking a player to travel 20 miles to come and play for you.
The thought of having only one Devon football league side is not one I want to have in my head right now, but it is a real possibility that might happen, Just what would that do for football in Devon? It would make this area an even more football outpost and that has to be a very bad thing in my book.
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Post by Dave on Mar 10, 2013 9:29:59 GMT
As for the comments on Oastler Dave, his passing was just as poor in the 1st half though probably not so easy to see from the pop side. How he can start ahead of Danny mystifies me. I’m sure that is the case, but he was just one of the players who were clearly playing without an ounce of confidence in him. To be fair to him while the ball did not reach its intended target so many times , that sometimes was down to our players just standing still waiting for the ball to come to them. In some of the recent games I have seen he looked the part and played well, but we have seen players make mistake after mistake when their head starts to drop. I was told yesterday that Howe does not want to be here next season, I was looking for so much more from him yesterday and for me he failed to deliver. I do not think everything is as rosy as it needs to be in the dressing room and that does concern me a little. This is the time we need everyone at the club to be pulling in the same direction if we are going to have any chance of staying up.
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Mar 10, 2013 9:37:47 GMT
that sometimes was down to our players just standing still waiting for the ball to come to them.... I was looking for so much more from him (Howe) yesterday and for me he failed to deliver. Thats my biggest gripes with him to be honest (along with the petulant yellow cards he collects). I gave up counting after six occasions against Wycombe (all within 5 or 6 yards of their penalty area) where he would have a defender behind him, the ball is passed to him but instead of taking a pace or two to the ball, he just stands there and the defender behind him plays the ball off his toes or another defenders get a foot to the ball, just before it gets to him. For {insert your choice of deity here} sake man, move towards the ball a pace or two and get possession of it. That would even give a bit of space to turn and run into the area or hit a shot. Though he's not the only one in the team guilty of it, from the games i've seen this season, he seems to be the biggest offender.
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Post by chelstongull on Mar 10, 2013 10:23:09 GMT
A season hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 10, 2013 12:21:51 GMT
And how could this have been remedied at that point?
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Post by paulr on Mar 10, 2013 12:38:32 GMT
Presumably by strengthening the positions where the team were/are obviously weak, and having a manager with a plan ‘b’ when plan ‘a’ was not working!
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 10, 2013 12:54:10 GMT
And how would you consider strengthening these positions? And how would you gain a manager with a plan b?
It would be interesting to see how this could be done. (Remember, both outcomes have to achieved with no financial input.)
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Post by loyalgull on Mar 10, 2013 13:26:17 GMT
beginning to wonder why paul bristow even bothered to pump large amounts of cash in to the coffers to regain our league status.In 36 short months we have now reached a worse level than when we were last relegated,just as well stayed where we were,with paltry gates and no viable outside income.I cant help thinking that even in our two recent play off seasons just a little bit of new blood on loan etc at the right time would of seen us playing league one football,but instead we now look we are ready for the non league scrap heap.God forbid the cut backs then,could be blue square south in no time with 900 or so attendences,the board really have nobody else to blame but themselves,it really was unavoidable but they gambled and screwed up big time.On the subject of the bsp,there are now much bigger clubs in there that cant get out of it the right end,we have no chance all thrown away because of off the pitch big ideas what a tragic waste
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 10, 2013 13:29:51 GMT
How did they screw up?
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Post by loyalgull on Mar 10, 2013 13:49:22 GMT
i dont need to reply to you in a way shape or form budleigh is that clear to you? if you dont like my comments ignore and scroll on down
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 10, 2013 13:56:26 GMT
You rude man!
I was merely asking the question of you as you are asking questions yourself! You made a statement, but didn't add the reasoning you felt that way; surely in any debate one has the right to ask for this to be quantified? I have not at any point suggested I don't like your comments. Quite unbelievable...
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Post by loyalgull on Mar 10, 2013 14:27:38 GMT
and i thought personal attacks were forbidden on here?you should know different budleigh
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 10, 2013 14:38:31 GMT
Wouldn't dream of making any personal attacks...
Now back to the discussion, What is it that you believe the board of directors have done to screw up? I, for one, am most interested to know.
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Post by loyalgull on Mar 10, 2013 14:39:39 GMT
i bet you are
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