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Post by rjdgull on May 9, 2016 6:38:27 GMT
Understandably, do not think Young was back to his best this season. Thought the first half of the previous season, he was very good and looked like a proper league player.
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on May 9, 2016 8:00:17 GMT
You went to games. He has an ability to get the side both out of trouble and put us on the attack by a superior first touch to any we have. Good passer of the ball. Reads the game well. Good dead ball skill and shot. Plenty of energy and gets stuck in. Yes I did go to games, and while he may be able to hit a pass and a shot there's more than that to being a quality player. If he could read the game that well, he would have been able to intercept opposition attacks regularly. Trying to make out he gets stuck in is another fallacy. One thing he seems unable to do that well is the spadework in winning possession back, probably one of the most important assets of a central midfielder. Just think how many games last season when the pitches got heavier he went missing for 15 or 20 minutes at a time and how often we were 2nd best in the middle of the park. Even if you do rate him below Richards. Yeah, yeah, different type of player/formations/ya di ya etc. Where did I say I rated Richards more than Young? However, if it's the case that we could either offer Young a contract or offer both Richards and Racchi one (due to budgetary constraints), I would be astounded if anyone thought Young would be good value for money. I'll change the tag line soon when I get around to it as it's been a while. You need to move on from that if it's still bothering you how wrong you were. You can't always be right. I'm sure we can agree to disagree on that even if it's just a simple case of you don't rate Young and I do, on this one. Hate to disappoint you, but didn't even notice a tagline. I thought we were discussing just why Young can hardly be considered one of the best central midfielders in this league when his all round game doesn't justify it?
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on May 9, 2016 9:03:36 GMT
Understandably, do not think Young was back to his best this season. Thought the first half of the previous season, he was very good and looked like a proper league player. And that just about sums it up Rob (though it would be unfair to judge him on this seasons return from injury). 1st part of the season, fine. Rest of the season though when opponents realised we were fairly brittle? Missing far too often in games and unable to exert influence in the centre of the park. That's not something that could be applied to
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Post by Rob on May 9, 2016 12:21:42 GMT
Rees has been at Forest for around 2 1/2 years without looking like getting in the 1st team so could well be tempted. Prefer him to Richards to be honest. Assuming we sign Butler, MacDonald, Gerring, Berry, Racchi, Richards, Chaney, Allen and Harrad, not sure we would need Young as well, 4 centre midfielders is enough in my book. Basing Richards comment on the above again reiterated but with a budgetary note this time. We'll have to disagree on Young as per my previous post. I agree with rjd that keeping Young would be ideal for a promotion push. There are good reasons for that that I would consider most including our Manager see. Probably fair not to assess him post injury, although I felt he was again the fulcrum of most of our good play on his return. Not sure why you decided I have a propensity to miss the blindingly obvious in the earlier post as I only recall a difference of opinion - for that is all it is - on the subject matter of my tag line previously.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 14:11:55 GMT
Of those that I'd think we have a chance of retaining, I'd be very disappointed if we can't persuade Dan Butler to stay. I'd be surprised if Nico isn't equally as impressed with Butler's positive influence within the club, and will therefore be especially keen to keep Dan at Plainmoor.
I think Courtney Richards will probably stay. His late season goals will have boosted his confidence, and his attitude is good, but just as in the case of Tony Ajala, are we or Nico judging those players on what we saw last season and deciding that that's as good as it gets ? Often with two games a week and a great deal of travelling, it was little more than play and rest during the months Nico has been in charge so far. To what extent does Nico back his coaching skills to improve these players ?
Getting your ideas over without the hustle and bustle of the League season being in full flow, implementing his fitness ideas and perhaps tweaking the style of play a bit, Nico might well reckon it's worth persevering with both Courtney and Tony, in the belief he can send them both out as better players for us in 2016/17 compared to some of the inconsistent performances that characterised a fair bit of their 2015/16 season.
I'd guess that the Luke Young discussion is mainly academic as I'd expect him to be off to pastures new. Of the players on our books for 2015/16 it would surely be Young who would have to take a hefty pay cut if he intended staying. I'd think Chris Hargreaves had to offer a fairly attractive wage along with dangling the Captaincy in front of him to get Luke to Plainmoor in the first place.
In that first season I on occasions think that Young tried to do too much in his efforts to impress. This was probably due to feeling the responsibility of Captaincy, knowing he was on substantially more than most of his teammates, and wanting to show commitment to the Yellow cause, something particularly important if you've just turned up from Argyle. Young could go from being seemingly everywhere, to having spells where you had to check he was still on the pitch. Now whether this was partially caused through tiredness as a result of putting in too much to early, or equally due to an inability to read the game and get his positioning right, I'm not entirely sure.
In fairness to Young we need to remember that the workload often wasn't shared out too well during 2014/15. If you were looking to Courtney Cameron to do a bit of grafting it could be a long wait, also Louis Briscoe wouldn't always be running and tackling with much energy in the last third of a game. In our current side however, over the last few months we've had an impressive midfield engine room, with Josh Rees performing really well. I wouldn't be surprised if Rees doesn't get a better offer from elsewhere, but if not I'm sure Nico would love to sign him.
Some hope that Cap'n Angus might stay, although I would have expected him to have been looking for a move to a League club, but great news for us if he's happy to stay. Surely no one can make out a case for convincing Nathan Smith that a further year of non League football would benefit his career, but I'm sure we'll all continue to follow the progress of a player who was so impressive for us.
I'm quite relaxed about the retained list as I'm sure Nico will make sensible decisions for sensible reasons. Only if he should declare he has no interest in retaining Dan Butler would I consider it worthy of raising an eyebrow.
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Post by rjdgull on May 12, 2016 15:07:32 GMT
Gerring has signed a 1 year deal! linkWe now have someone under contract, a good start and very pleased for the player as earned it on the pitch!
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Post by Rob on May 13, 2016 20:20:32 GMT
Pleased to read Chaney has signed a deal with us.
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Post by rjdgull on May 13, 2016 22:31:16 GMT
Pleased to read Chaney has signed a deal with us. Good signing, another local lad on board. Hope he can continue his progression.
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Post by jerry on May 14, 2016 9:11:02 GMT
Pleased to read Chaney has signed a deal with us. Good signing, another local lad on board. Hope he can continue his progression. I agree this is a good signing but I think Chaney is from London.
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Post by rjdgull on May 14, 2016 11:09:46 GMT
My bad! Locally trained lad then.
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Post by rjdgull on May 18, 2016 19:13:40 GMT
link - Hancox has penned a 1 year deal
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Post by simonb on May 18, 2016 21:31:31 GMT
Wow - that swells the squad significantly! Still those that have signed will probably be cheap. Already thinking that success next season will be to finish outside of the bottom four - some ambition!
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Post by simonb on May 19, 2016 7:20:56 GMT
Sadly, some more progressive Conference Clubs have already signed some players, some after already having a reasonable nucleus of a squad even after releasing people. We have around 4 players signed comprising of vastly inexperienced individuals (aside from KN). Time rolls on and still no reasonable news about our future direction. Would be very concerned if (by the beginning of June) if we have not secured some decent squad players, have confirmed we can continue to play in the Conference National League and have learned exactly how and when this mysterious take over is going to affect the Club. Starting to feel a little sorry for KN who will have a mammoth task ahead I suspect! Perhaps we can no longer be seen as a progressive club and our status on and off the field will be amongst the dribs and drabs of lower league teams?
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Post by rjdgull on May 19, 2016 7:46:10 GMT
Sadly, some more progressive Conference Clubs have already signed some players, some after already having a reasonable nucleus of a squad even after releasing people. We have around 4 players signed comprising of vastly inexperienced individuals (aside from KN). Time rolls on and still no reasonable news about our future direction. Would be very concerned if (by the beginning of June) if we have not secured some decent squad players, have confirmed we can continue to play in the Conference National League and have learned exactly how and when this mysterious take over is going to affect the Club. Starting to feel a little sorry for KN who will have a mammoth task ahead I suspect! Perhaps we can no longer be seen as a progressive club and our status on and off the field will be amongst the dribs and drabs of lower league teams? We have a decent fan base for our level, just need stability and an ownership that will act in the best interests of the club.
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Post by simonb on May 19, 2016 16:26:42 GMT
A little bit of humble pie just eaten!
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