European Union: In or Out ?

Comrade Felix  


Comrade Felix is exactly right on this point. And I’m sure it is a source of great pride to all Brexiteers that they are the ones associated with a genuine belief in democracy and above all the implementation of the result of such votes. Comrade Felix is fully justified in his assertion, as if he has been keeping an eye on the various TUFC Forums over recent years, he’ll be well aware that it has only been Brexiteers who have spoken up in support of the people of Catalonia when they faced violent repression from the brutal Spanish authorities, without a word of condemnation from the EU as the police batons smashed heads of Catalonians making the case for independence and pointing to the result of their Referendum. It won’t have gone unnoticed by Comrade Felix that it was the Remainers who stayed deathly silent and uttered not a word of support for the brave Catalan people.

Comrade Felix will have further noted the similarity with it only being Brexiteers who had welcomed the self determination of the Crimean people by way of Referendum, whereas the Remainiac view across the Forums has tended to parrot the Western Imperialist language of ‘annexed’ by Russia...yes they’re only too happy to stand shoulder to shoulder with the Daily Mail when it suits them.

You could throw in the weekly demonstrations in all weathers by the French working class, again violently opposed by Macron’s thugs in uniform, and at the cost of lost life, limbs and eyesight in many cases. And all this brutality directed by a President who freely admits his people would also vote to leave the EU if he were to allow them a vote on the matter. In this case again, it is the Brexiteers who have a record of siding with the people, for democracy and self determination, and in opposition to those who tacitly or otherwise, back EU style authoritarian control by the Eurocrats.

But while there’s a sense of pride in being picked out by Felix as being the group who value freedom and democracy, at the very time when it’s never been more clear in Britain who are those willing to trample over both these fine British traditions if it will better serve their foreign masters, I’m therefore sure Felix can appreciate the misgivings that Brexiteers will harbour, knowing that democracy is never safe in EU lovers hands.


The concern regarding an independent Scotland is ‘what kind of democracy would they be allowed ?’

Sturgeon, Salmond & Co were exclaiming that you needed to vote in favour of Independence as it’d be a further generation before another vote. But now, less than 5 years on, they’re claiming it’s time for a new vote. My concern is, should a new vote be held and Sturgeon & Co win, could they be trusted to uphold democracy in the same way, and allow two further Referendums within the next 5 or 10 years giving people the chance to scrap independence ? Would the necessary safeguards be in place so that, having finally got the result she wanted, Sturgeon couldn’t pull up the drawbridge and say no more Referendums….for a generation or two !!

It’s surely not a concern without foundation. Sturgeon, as a supporter of the EU, knows it’s an organisation that favours the ‘keep voting till you get it right’ approach. With the result you wanted at long last secured, then the voting can stop.

It was similar with the 2016 EU Referendum in the UK. Many had to wait until they were almost old enough to collect their pensions before their first chance of a ballot on the question of EU membership was available to them. But now we’re told that it’s already time for the next one, in fact the next one should come round at such break neck speed that there’s not even been time to implement the last one so we’ll have to scrap it and forget all about that result.

And those same concerns apply, that I fear could be the case with Sturgeon. If Remain won a new Referendum now, they’d implement the result and say ‘that’s it, no more Referendums’. Is it not possible that Sturgeon and the Nationalists could do likewise once they’d got a result they wanted ?

If the numerous opportunities are being provided so as to achieve one particular ‘self determined future’ then you need to be confident that those who profit from it will have an equally strong conviction in democracy, and that they will be forthcoming, once in power, in providing opportunities to ‘self determine’ to remove them from power and return it to Westminster ?

I think it’s more likely that young Scots could go a whole lifetime without the Nationalists giving them a chance to democratically overturn independence.