European Union: In or Out ?

It is the same thing as one has evolved out of the other. The UK was involved throughout in that evolution. All this nonsense about being dictated to by Brussels is ridiculous and part of the deceitful spin to fool the gullible (successfully I might add!). The UK are part of the EU so we have been making these laws in partnership. Still I don't suppose it actually matters where laws are made anymore as we appear to have a PM who doesn't intend to obey the law in any case!

It really is quite insulting to describe people as "gullible targets". It's tantamount to saying that they were too stupid or weak minded to realise what they were voting for, and that they listened to propaganda rather than exercised their own judgments. After all, it is far easier and safer to take a stance which supports the status quo rather than any departure from it, so it is quite feasible to say that the 16.1 million were equally gullible and stupid.

Here's something else for you to ponder on. If an anti-democratic second referendum does eventually take place, then the public has every right to be offered all of the options, including "no deal", and not just "with a deal" or "remain". The politicians, who number a tiny proportion of the population, have already decided that this option should be "taken off the table", but what right have they to do so when they have no idea how people were thinking when the original votes were cast?

If there is to be another referendum, heaven forbid, then the public should at least be able to choose the best way out of this disunified union without being misguided, ignored or treated with contempt by politicians whose main aim is to obstruct the democratic will of the people whom they purport to represent.

Johnson misled Queen and acted unlawfully. Unlikely to resign over lie as he would have had to resign most days since he’s been in office were that the litmus test.

In parliamentary tradition, I refer the Honourable Flo to the answer I gave some moments ago.

What's happened to all the protagonists in this melodrama? 

The last post on this thread was two weeks ago.

What's happened to AJ at this crucial time?

I guess everyone in the country is bored shitless with Brexit, so why not members of this site! 

I was wondering myself what had happened to all the views on this topic, so I'm pleased that people are talking again, and no, I am not bored shitless with it. In fact, as someone who said goodbye to work a decade ago, I watch the BBC Parliament programme every day without fail. I am particularly keen to listen to, and laugh at, the views of the LibDems, who want Brexit cancelled altogether, and others like Anna Soubry, who illogically want another people's vote.

If I could, I would ask Anna Soubry what precisely she would want the options on the ballot paper to be. Does anyone on here have any ideas? Would they be either (a) Remain, (b) Leave with Boris Johnson's deal, or (c) something else? The problem with that is very few members of the public would know what this deal consists of, and even they would not understand it, so what would be the point?

As for Rob's last comment, when talking about Nigel Farage, why do you persist in deliberately mis-spelling his name? I am well aware that you despise both him and his philosophies, but you could at least show a little respect for someone who always speaks the truth, unlike the vast majority of politicians.

You're a funny man. I won't claim that I knew exactly what I was voting for, except to say that freedom of movement and paying billions into a Brussels bank account did influence me to a large extent. However, as an obvious remain devotee, did you know exactly what you were voting for?

I have never regarded Nigel Farage as a politician, rather as an intelligent man who, as I have said, invariably answers questions truthfully and honestly. I should be very interested to know which of the current politicians you do respect. Jeremy Corbyn? John McDonnell? Oh, of course, Jo Swinson and Caroline Lucas, who are doing their best to overturn a democratic decision. However, if it's of any consolation to you, I don't like Boris Johnson either, in fact I can't stand the sight of his smirking face. He is the very last person who should be leading this democratic process.

As for handing in my postal voting slip and my bus pass, I really haven't a clue what you are talking about. Are you suggesting that I am a geriatric idiot?