President Trump

And there was me thinking this thread would die down after Tuesday! What is clear is that President Trump will not be going quietly into the night.....

Democracy is a precious thing that we must all fight for and while every politician will always fight their corner I feel a line has been crossed that will turn off many even on his own side. The McCain classy concession speech in 2008 has done the rounds on social media and worth listening to if you have not heard before.

Rob  


But entirely irrelevant to the points of contention in Pennsylvania which were spelled out on this Forum 2 days ago.

2.6 million returned by when ? By the time the Pennsylvania Legislature said they had to be returned by, or according to how the Pennsylvania Supreme Court attempted to change things ?

‘An odd system but their system ?’ By ‘odd’ Rob is surely implying ‘one of dubious legality’. It looks to many that ‘their system’ is not being used, and that instead, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has imposed an unconstitutional system, hence the legal challenge discussed here 2 days ago. Is that 2.6 million a final total ? and are we conferring legitimacy on the Pennsylvania Supreme Court system that will allow further votes to be ‘returned’ ?

What does Rob mean by ‘returned’ ? Is he counting a postmark date on an envelope at a Sorting Office and giving a green light to more and more returns to add to this 2.6 million, or those votes returned to official collection points and polling stations by 8pm on Election Day (Tuesday) as the Pennsylvania Legislature enacted ?


Rob   


Did she explain herself ? Did she give reasons ? If the count continues then I don’t see how you are not at the same time destroying the evidence necessary for a legal challenge thereafter ?

Surely the votes not in by 8pm Tuesday need to be kept separate from those that were. How would it even be possible to separate them and know which came in, in which envelopes, with which dated postmark ( and you’ll be aware of undated envelopes, as well as whistleblowers drawing attention to backdated postmarks being applied to envelopes still coming in at certain sorting offices). Continuing the count would surely destroy the whole basis of the challenge on the legality of ‘their system’.

How did Alice Stewart or the ‘many’ explain how challenging this ‘thereafter’, while continuing including the votes still rolling in with 3rd November postmarks would not be rendered impossible for any legal investigation to sort out accurately ?


While always welcoming Rob’s posts, I feel he’s added heat but virtually no light at all regarding answering the fundamental problems currently making it impossible to view the Voting system and process in Pennsylvania with any confidence that it was conducted fairly or legally. That is what we need, what would put minds at rest, and what would benefit America as a whole.

Given the 3 year inquiry into Election interference after 2016, before it was concluded that it didn’t happen, to now brush aside the many seemingly blatant examples of vote rigging in many States as unworthy of proper investigation, when they could be crucial to the outcome of a tight race of such importance, is more than a little surprising, given of course that none of us think for a second it indicates a readiness to accept widespread malpractice as long as it helps deliver the favoured result 

Alpine Joe

Correction Re my above post. Seems it was just the 2 years.






Having never had a particularly high opinion of America, I'd happily inflict 4 years of President Sleepy Joe and Kampala upon most of them, and Reg might agree that for comedy value alone, a Sleepy Joe and Kampala double act would best serve the Remotely Interested thread. Also without the Senate, it seems that the damage that Sleepy and Kampala could do, would be greatly curtailed.

However, the overwhelming point at issue at present is whether we should be turning a blind eye when so much evidence piles up that seems to indicate grossly unfair play ? While I could sit back and revel in this as massive proof of my  October 26th post that the system just doesn't function properly a couple of decades into the 21st Century given prevailing modern attitudes, though hopefully something approaching a fair outcome to this 2020 election can be arrived at, while accepting the bigger problem that it's broken beyond repair and that America, and many other places including Britain will see the light and realise they need to organise themselves along different lines.

Twelve years ago the American people were able to choose between two men, both of whom I thought were of great honour and integrity. What the hell happened in the intervening decade and a bit?
Biden's weak point is that his only strong point is he isn't Donald Trump, beyond that I'm not sure what he offers. But Trump, Jesus H Christ.
The most disturbing factor of this election is that it is even close. How can a educated electorate in a mature democracy seriously support a candidate who is supported by armed protesters openly baring assault rifles on public streets. That is seriously creepy. It used to be asked how did the educated Germans of the 1930s fall under the spell of Adolf hitler , well I think the same thing is playing itself  out in the USA today. Even if Biden wins this is not going to go away, Trump will have laid the path for any future charismatic fascistic demi-god to walk down.

I would have liked to comment on the nonsense contained within the last post, but as usual there is no Quote button, so I just can't be bothered.

I'm sure that Rob will make an even better job than I could of expressing his astonishment that anyone could believe it.