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Post by andygulls on Jun 18, 2008 14:19:56 GMT
I certainly wish to point out that it is my opinion that any site carrying a title containing "Torquay United" in any shape or form will naturally be assumed by the average lurker (and hence a large number of people) to be somewhat representative of the club's view/policy or the general fan bases view/opinions. Therefore there is a responsibility for that forum not to allow derogatory (I'm talking derogatory- not critical here) posts about the club or it's executive without challenge. Well I respect your right to express your opinion, but I completely and utterly disagree. A fans' forum is a fans' forum and will have a mixture of views. I am quite confident that most people are bright enough to understand that any opinion expressed is that of an individual and does not represent in any way "the club's view/policy or the general fan base's view/opinions". If Mervo had suppressed all posters who made "derogatory posts about the club or it's executive", he would have banned you and 99% of the people who used to post on dotnet in "the good old days". I agree with Jon and disagree with Merse about the view that a fans forum would not be seen to represent the clubs view / policy, but disagree with Jon about the fans forum not being perceived as the general fan base's view / viewpoint. The line taken on a fans forum will be and is perceived and more importantly portrayed as representing the general views of the fan base. Newspapers and Sports News stations will often refer to the content of fans websites and not just in the sport of football in this country but across the world in a number of sports. That is the age we now live in and why we should attempt to be responsible as we post, but also why we should not be beholden to the views of any one individual on any site! There are some articulate and intelligent posters on this site and this thread, which gives me hope that I will see similar offerings from all, more directly related to matters appertaining to football as the season draws closer. |
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Post by Dave on Jun 18, 2008 15:07:22 GMT
I had moved this thread, really in the hope that it would just die and disappear off the front page.
I feel I need to short circuit those who may feel its OK to defend, such a song if it exists and I have no reason not to believe it does.
I'm sure we will read later posts about free speech and claiming that this forum was set up in the name of free speech. So as that really was not the main reason, I do feel the need to clarify, the meaning of free speech on the forum.
Free speech is a privilege and with comes responsibility, You simply can't try to destroy another person, abuse them, lie about them, or use words to simple cause them harm and try claim its in the name of free speech. You can't use words to make fun of other peoples pain or suffering, due to lose or personal suffering and claim its in the name of free speech, its not.
There is in life a thing called common decency, respect, compassion, these are the things this forum stands for. Posts that fail these standards with be removed.
Due to all the fuss on here Monday night, i broke my rule and viewed the thread on .net. Only so I could try and understand the fuss being made. Those that feel it represents a well balanced view, I would suggest, you take the time to reread it. Character assassination, would be nearer the mark.
My view represents the view of the forum and It will never allow posts that are felt fall below the standard, this forum is aiming for. I may lose a few members along the way, but I will keep those who enjoy posting in a relaxed environment, those that have values and standards and I know most on here now certainly do.
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Post by phil on Jun 18, 2008 15:36:30 GMT
I had moved this thread, really in the hope that it would just die and disappear off the front page. I feel I need to short circuit those who may feel its OK to defend, such a song if it exists and I have no reason not to believe it does. I'm sure we will read later posts about free speech and claiming that this forum was set up in the name of free speech. So as that really was not the main reason, I do feel the need to clarify, the meaning of free speech on the forum. Free speech is a privilege and with comes responsibility, You simply can't try to destroy another person, abuse them, lie about them, or use words to simple cause them harm and try claim its in the name of free speech. You can't use words to make fun of other peoples pain or suffering, due to lose or personal suffering and claim its in the name of free speech, its not. There is in life a thing called common decency, respect, compassion, these are the things this forum stands for. Posts that fail these standards with be removed. Due to all the fuss on here Monday night, i broke my rule and viewed the thread on .net. Only so I could try and understand the fuss being made. Those that feel it represents a well balanced view, I would suggest, you take the time to reread it. [glow=red,2,300]Character assassination, would be nearer the mark.[/glow] My view represents the view of the forum and [glow=red,2,300]It will never allow posts that are felt fall below the standard, this forum is aiming for[/glow]. I may lose a few members along the way, but I will keep those who enjoy posting in a relaxed environment, those that have values and standards and I know most on here now certainly do. This very thread contains the same kind of thing though, wouldn't you agree? |
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Post by andyparsons on Jun 18, 2008 15:42:48 GMT
No....I certainly would not agree. I too looked at that site to see what was being talked about, and am amazed that the "moderators" on there have not deleted the whole posting... bearing in mind that one of the so called 'staff' members is an ex plod I would have expected better from him. Anyone who finds that sort of posting funny is in dire need of help  |
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Post by jimd on Jun 18, 2008 15:46:33 GMT
Niether would i agree. there is nothing in this thread that comes anywhere close to what is written on that dot net thread.
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Post by phil on Jun 18, 2008 15:47:39 GMT
I think you're referring to something different to what I was.
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Post by jimd on Jun 18, 2008 15:51:29 GMT
Sorry
what were you referring too then phil?
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Post by phil on Jun 18, 2008 15:54:00 GMT
Sorry what were you referring too then phil? I was referring to the parts of Daves post that I highlighted, which I think relates to a thread on the other site about Colin Lee. I presume you two are talking about the thread mentioned by spagbol. If not, then we really do disagree ;D |
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Post by jimd on Jun 18, 2008 16:07:31 GMT
I'm with you now.
Well I hope we agree that this thread is nothing like the one spagbol mentioned.
As for it containing the very same kind of thing as the Colin Lee thread then I will still say no, I dont agree with you.
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Post by andyparsons on Jun 18, 2008 16:09:20 GMT
I was referring to the garbage posting about new songs! I think it must be somewhere else about Mr Lee, of whom I have my own opinions! ;D Character assasination of various people has been carried out on that site before if I remember rightly.....and in the time of the previous 'webmaster' there too. It was allowed to go on ad infinitum  |
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Post by phil on Jun 18, 2008 16:20:23 GMT
I'm with you now. Well I hope we agree that this thread is nothing like the one spagbol mentioned. As for it containing the very same kind of thing as the Colin Lee thread then I will still say no, I dont agree with you. Then maybe you should read it again. The thing I find more than a little amusing is how so many posters on this site are quick to state how they disliked the moderation on the other site then show such outrage when it's lacking. Then we have Dave referring to moving this thread and deleting content that he deems not up to standard. This thread contains blatant character assassination coupled with false acusations, the Colin Lee thread on the other site has a few differing opinions, and one that I would term grossly unfair. It's like watching things turn full circle, the irony certainly isn't lost on me. It's certainly an interesting topic of discussion. It's akin to tuning in to a daily soap opera. Only fans of Torquay could take internet discussions so seriously. Phil |
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Post by jimd on Jun 18, 2008 16:27:20 GMT
I'm with you now. Well I hope we agree that this thread is nothing like the one spagbol mentioned. As for it containing the very same kind of thing as the Colin Lee thread then I will still say no, I dont agree with you. Then maybe you should read it again. The thing I find more than a little amusing is how so many posters on this site are quick to state how they disliked the moderation on the other site then show such outrage when it's lacking. Then we have Dave referring to moving this thread and deleting content that he deems not up to standard. [glow=yellow,2,300]This thread contains blatant character assassination coupled with false acusations, the Colin Lee thread on the other site has a few differing opinions, and one that I would term grossly unfair. [/glow] It's like watching things turn full circle, the irony certainly isn't lost on me. It's certainly an interesting topic of discussion. It's akin to tuning in to a daily soap opera. Only fans of Torquay could take internet discussions so seriously. Phil Mmm...you tell me to read the thread again and then you say they are totaly different anyway. Each to their own I guess. You may think that things are turning full circle on here, I disagree with you again. I guess we will have to agree to disagree..you think their is no difference between the sites, I think there is a huge difference and I hope we can keep it that way.  |
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Post by Dave on Jun 18, 2008 16:29:17 GMT
I'm with you now. Well I hope we agree that this thread is nothing like the one spagbol mentioned. As for it containing the very same kind of thing as the Colin Lee thread then I will still say no, I dont agree with you. Then maybe you should read it again. The thing I find more than a little amusing is how so many posters on this site are quick to state how they disliked the moderation on the other site then show such outrage when it's lacking. Then we have Dave referring to moving this thread and deleting content that he deems not up to standard. This thread contains blatant character assassination coupled with false acusations, the Colin Lee thread on the other site has a few differing opinions, and one that I would term grossly unfair. It's like watching things turn full circle, the irony certainly isn't lost on me. It's certainly an interesting topic of discussion. It's akin to tuning in to a daily soap opera. Only fans of Torquay could take internet discussions so seriously. Phil Maybe you would like to tell me your real reasons for being a member on this forum, it is clear you main aim is simply to cause trouble. Reading your pm about what you see in your job, I really would have expected better. The views on this thread are about posters views on .net and the way it is run, not who runs it. It seems you simply want to try and stir up things between the forums, maybe it would have been better to have payed for your PC repairs would it have not. Those that are here only to cause trouble and fail to understand what this forum is about, would be better to delete their accounts and post in an environment that might suit them better. |
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Post by phil on Jun 18, 2008 18:01:10 GMT
Then maybe you should read it again. The thing I find more than a little amusing is how so many posters on this site are quick to state how they disliked the moderation on the other site then show such outrage when it's lacking. Then we have Dave referring to moving this thread and deleting content that he deems not up to standard. This thread contains blatant character assassination coupled with false acusations, the Colin Lee thread on the other site has a few differing opinions, and one that I would term grossly unfair. It's like watching things turn full circle, the irony certainly isn't lost on me. It's certainly an interesting topic of discussion. It's akin to tuning in to a daily soap opera. Only fans of Torquay could take internet discussions so seriously. Phil Maybe you would like to tell me your real reasons for being a member on this forum, it is clear you main aim is simply to cause trouble. Reading your pm about what you see in your job, I really would have expected better. The views on this thread are about posters views on .net and the way it is run, not who runs it. It seems you simply want to try and stir up things between the forums, maybe it would have been better to have payed for your PC repairs would it have not. Those that are here only to cause trouble and fail to understand what this forum is about, would be better to delete their accounts and post in an environment that might suit them better. How is giving an alternative opinion to you, causing trouble? Was this forum not set up to give people the chance to express their views without recrimination? This is what I was referring to when I mentioned that the irony wasn't lost on me. I enjoy intelligent debate and have never been rude, to my knowledge, yet here you are suggesting I delete my account because I give examples of behaviour that certain posters on here supposedly disagree with. It's all very well you stating what this forum stands for but don't you think it might be a good idea to actually follow it through? Quite why you suggest I pay for pc repairs is confusing. Just because I choose to be objective and not conform to the almost ritualistic bedfellowship prevalent on here, does that entitle you to label me a troublemaker? My reason for joining this forum was to be kept informed of all things relative to Torqauy United, yet it seems that everyone is more concerned with what is happening on the other site. Given long enough i'm sure we will agree on some subject or other, but as this is the close-season it would appear that there is little else to comment about. Phil P.S. By their very nature, shouldn't discussions that take place in pm and their contents, be kept private? |
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Post by Dave on Jun 18, 2008 18:20:40 GMT
On two occasions now, you have run to Dave for what ever your reason. I have talked and agreed things with Dave, the forum is open to all guests to view and I'm sure if Dave is unhappy with any of the content on this site, he will make contact with me.
Then like two adults we will discuss the matter and come to an agreement of what we feel would be best to happen.
I do not care how .net runs it forum, or care what they feel is OK to be allowed to be posted on it. I did not like it myself the way it was run, that is my own view and set up a forum, that will run better suited to my needs and I believe others.
You harp on about moderation, I have said before, no forum can run without it, .net has its way and I will have mine, each style will not be suited to for everyone, but now there is a choice.
The reason this thread was moved was that it was only posted in the main board, so that those joining could read and understand my views and the reason the forum was here. It has served its purpose and the forum simply wants to move on run its own affairs, not feel the need to look over its shoulder and not really care what .net does or does not do.
Some posters are on this forum, because they are not welcome on .net, others because they stopped using it, for what ever their reasons. Some are new to a forum, while some are members of both forums and should feel happy and welcome to post on both forums.
There are 113 topics running on this forum, if you really want to debate on any of these topics, then I will be more than happy. This thread is past its sell by date, some on my members have been asked to move on, maybe you should as well.
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