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Post by bobgull on May 16, 2023 14:02:38 GMT
Although they may be our arch-rivals up the road, you have to take your hat off to Exeter for getting so much right. Those who doubt that fan ownership can work should take note! www.bbc.com/sport/football/65337104
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Post by chelstongull on May 16, 2023 17:54:35 GMT
Although they may be our arch-rivals up the road, you have to take your hat off to Exeter for getting so much right. Those who doubt that fan ownership can work should take note! www.bbc.com/sport/football/65337104Thank the lord for those two games against Manchester United 😢
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Post by bobgull on May 16, 2023 18:39:40 GMT
Although they may be our arch-rivals up the road, you have to take your hat off to Exeter for getting so much right. Those who doubt that fan ownership can work should take note! www.bbc.com/sport/football/65337104Thank the lord for those two games against Manchester United 😢 Absolutely. People often refer to those games as the luck that enabled them to succeed, suggesting that others in a similar situation would not. But the trust took a gamble not knowing what the future would hold and it paid off. You’ve got to be in it to win it.
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Post by plainmoorpete on May 16, 2023 20:55:27 GMT
Thank the lord for those two games against Manchester United 😢 Yes it was a bit fortunate but Exeter also made their own luck by making sure they were in the 3rd round in the first place. When was the last time we managed that?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 7:44:34 GMT
The Exeter story is real ‘Roy of the Rogers’ stuff…but it was a long time ago.
The two games against Man U that are mentioned, were the catalyst for their transformation and future success.
Twenty years ago a million quid in football (especially in the lower leagues) was a considerable amount of money, nowadays it’s just enough to keep a lower league club from floundering…as we all know.
The Exeter trust (or whatever it was called) was in the right place at the right time…
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Post by bobgull on May 17, 2023 9:15:02 GMT
Twenty years ago a million quid in football (especially in the lower leagues) was a considerable amount of money, nowadays it’s just enough to keep a lower league club from floundering…as we all know. The Exeter trust (or whatever it was called) was in the right place at the right time… But this is twenty years later and the equivalent of the two Man United games would net considerably more than a million quid. Exeter City Supporters Trust were in the right place at the right time because they refused to throw in the towel and give it a go. Yes, it was a lucky draw that got them out of financial trouble but if ECST had listened to the naysayers they would not be the successful club that they are today. The Exeter City story shows that whether you’re talking about saving a club or launching a phoenix club fan ownership can work.
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Post by Rob on May 17, 2023 11:54:14 GMT
It does indeed, bobgull. And they have managed it while always competing above the level we are now at. Often well above.
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Post by stig123 on May 17, 2023 19:07:03 GMT
Kudos to Exeter...they have done well..although I have always preferred Argyle.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 7:02:55 GMT
Twenty years ago a million quid in football (especially in the lower leagues) was a considerable amount of money, nowadays it’s just enough to keep a lower league club from floundering…as we all know. The Exeter trust (or whatever it was called) was in the right place at the right time… But this is twenty years later and the equivalent of the two Man United games would net considerably more than a million quid. Exeter City Supporters Trust were in the right place at the right time because they refused to throw in the towel and give it a go. Yes, it was a lucky draw that got them out of financial trouble but if ECST had listened to the naysayers they would not be the successful club that they are today. The Exeter City story shows that whether you’re talking about saving a club or launching a phoenix club fan ownership can work. You’re obsessed with this bloody Phoenix…is this what a Phoenix looks like 🦃?
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Post by plainmoorpete on Jun 4, 2023 11:06:50 GMT
One of our opponents for next season, Eastbourne Borough, throw in the towel of being a fan owned club and sell out to business man Simon Lewis.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2023 12:34:41 GMT
One of our opponents for next season, Eastbourne Borough, throw in the towel of being a fan owned club and sell out to business man Simon Lewis. No doubt this Lewis fella will be Demonised and looked upon as the Anti-Christ while he pumps all his money into the club and steers them into calmer waters!
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Post by Jon on Jun 4, 2023 16:32:30 GMT
One of our opponents for next season, Eastbourne Borough, throw in the towel of being a fan owned club and sell out to business man Simon Lewis. That is putting an incredibly negative spin on things and does not in any way relate to what has actually happened. Twenty-three years ago, Eastbourne Borough was a firmly established Sussex County League club, whereas Torquay United was a firmly established Football League club. Community ownership has seen Eastbourne settle, after a brief flirtation with a league even higher, at a level three league up from where it used to belong in National League South, with the club fully rooted in the community. Last season, they narrowly missed reaching the playoffs and a shot at National Premier. Next season we meet them on level terms and deservedly so. The trajectory of the two clubs hardly backs the theory that community ownership is doomed to failure, whilst private ownership guarantees success. A community owned club is owned by its members, so when an offer is received of a large injection of capital leading to the community interest company relinquishing overall control, the members will decide what happens. In order to so, they must weigh up the potential rewards against the potential risks. The statement below suggests they have done just that: ebfc.co.uk/2023/06/a-new-era-begins/If the potential owner were a property developer with an unhealthy interest in freehold property I would be canvassing members to reject the offer. If the potential owner were a fan with significant financial clout, business experience, a desire to “maintain the club’s role at the heart of the community” and the time and the energy to drive the club forwards, then I would be canvassing members to accept. Eastbourne Borough has been a massive success story as a football club. Accepting extra resources to try to push it on to the next level again is a long way from “throwing in the towel”. I wish them every success. I will be delighted for them if they go up by beating Yeovil in the playoff final - but not if they go up beating us in the playoff final.
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Post by Rob on Jun 5, 2023 10:14:36 GMT
Well put, Jon. I struggle to see why intelligent fellow fans cannot see this as obvious in the context of Eastbourne or any other community owned club seeking investment and acting in what they see as their club’s best interests. That’s not failure. That’s success.
It is certainly better in the long term than doffing caps to some random property developer disinterested in the football - especially where a track record of club death is known - in the real and unpoliticised world of support for your club.
I accept some will never see it that way, but they are entitled to their erroneous viewpoint on that and no doubt a whole host of other matters. Nowt as queer as folk.
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Post by rjdgull on Jun 5, 2023 10:43:40 GMT
Great example of showing there is no black and white case for any particular ownership model and comes down to what is right at any particular time. In fact, any ownership is transitional being the custodian of that club for a particular timeframe. Even Clark Osborne has said he will move on after the new stadium is completed. Fans are probably the only permanent feature of any club, having its best interests at heart and it is good that they are able to provide the catalyst to ensure the continuation of their club in whatever form if either the worst ever came to the worst or to provide an alternative option or support to any potential new ownership.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 13:36:17 GMT
Bit of an oxymoron there Rob…intelligent fans!
So yet again it shows there is very little substance in this fan’s ownership thing. It’s all very well walking around with a tube of Smarties in your pocket, but when it comes to forking out millions of quid (which in all probability you will never see again) it’s quite another story.
Yes indeed, Exeter did manage it but a lot of people got shafted along the way. The millions they made from the FA Cup didn’t help at all, so I’ve been told (🙄) so maybe it was just a miracle…praise Jesus.
It has been mentioned that Eastbourne are in the same position as we are, but we have had an owner for some time now, whilst they have not. What hasn’t been mentioned (yet again) is the fact that we have a manager who like Saul of Taurus on the way to Nazareth was blindsided by a light, whereas in the case of our manager…who was blindsided by a pile of shite!
That is the only reason we play Eastbourne this coming season, instead of being at least two levels above them! 🤨
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