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Post by Dave on Mar 15, 2009 19:52:13 GMT
Hi Steve I trust you looked on the birthday board, yes I missed having a chat with you yesterday but will see you at the next match, only we had better win it, or someone might just blame me being there for the defeat.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Mar 15, 2009 19:55:10 GMT
There were bottles thrown at Bath City last season (resulting in at least 1 banning) but I can't recall any others. One wouldn't have been surprised to see molotov cocktails, bricks, cartoon-esque anvills at Rochdale at the appearance of some dodgy left-back in our relegation season (only kidding - violence isn't big or funny, kids!)!
As someone else says, the risk of a supporter throwing a bottle at the pitch is hugely unlikely but I guess still a risk - this happens at nearly every away match that I can recall. To identify someone for throwing a bottle is pretty hard (although unfortunately for the individual last season they did have a rather distinctive appearance!), but a matchday steward is wearing a bloody bright jacket with a number on.
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Post by stuartB on Mar 15, 2009 21:45:44 GMT
Why don't we ban pasties? i remember in recent seasons a lino get hit on the shoulder with a pastie. we were reported to the FA but no action taken, just put on the bad boys list.
Let's face facts: if someone wants to throw something, they will throw something with or without a lid/top.
Bloody nanny state. Next they will be proposing minimum charges for a unit of alcohol!! oh shit, they have ;D
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Post by steve2009 on Mar 15, 2009 22:10:40 GMT
Why don't we ban pasties? i remember in recent seasons a lino get hit on the shoulder with a pastie. we were reported to the FA but no action taken, just put on the bad boys list. Let's face facts: if someone wants to throw something, they will throw something with or without a lid/top. Bloody nanny state. Next they will be proposing minimum charges for a unit of alcohol!! oh shit, they have ;D totally agree with your comment, if someone wants to throw something, they will throw something with or without a lid on it, therefore, maybe a silly rule to ban bottle tops, but one that, TUFC has implemented, and one that as stewards we have to enforce and as spectators, you have to abide by. but we could carry this on and on, no coins, mobiles, no shoes, removing laces,(in case TUFC lose, to avoid a mass suicide) ;D however, as usual, this has been caused by a minority and affects the majority, just like graffiti, an eggy fart, etc etc the list is endless. Steve004
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Post by stuartB on Mar 15, 2009 22:20:17 GMT
Why don't we ban pasties? i remember in recent seasons a lino get hit on the shoulder with a pastie. we were reported to the FA but no action taken, just put on the bad boys list. Let's face facts: if someone wants to throw something, they will throw something with or without a lid/top. Bloody nanny state. Next they will be proposing minimum charges for a unit of alcohol!! oh shit, they have ;D totally agree with your comment, if someone wants to throw something, they will throw something with or without a lid on it, therefore, maybe a silly rule to ban bottle tops, but one that, TUFC has implemented, and one that as stewards we have to enforce and as spectators, you have to abide by. but we could carry this on and on, no coins, mobiles, no shoes, removing laces,(in case TUFC lose, to avoid a mass suicide) ;D however, as usual, this has been caused by a minority and affects the majority, just like graffiti, an eggy fart, etc etc the list is endless. Steve004 very true Steve. btw i enjoyed your fleet-footed swift dash up the touchline when the lino flagged (incorrectly) for an offside for Green's goal, when you thought a rather older gentleman was making his way towards the lino. i think he was going for a piss but you can't be too careful, can you?
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Post by khilllegend on Mar 16, 2009 6:59:22 GMT
hi steve just noticed a post on the other forum that the collectors at half time on saturday were told by 003 that they were bot allowed to shake there buckets whilst going round the ground on saturday to attract fans attention?
any reason? because the poster doesn't come on this forum i don't think? cheers
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Post by Jon on Mar 16, 2009 13:13:21 GMT
...collectors at half time on saturday were told by 003 that they were bot allowed to shake there buckets whilst going round the ground on saturday to attract fans attention? any reason? As a regular bucket shaker on behalf of the TORQUAY UNITED SUPPORTERS' TRUST, I might be able to cast some light on this. There is a popular misconception that it is ILLEGAL to shake a bucket when collecting for a charity. A supporter, NOT a steward, once said so to me as I was shaking away at the Popside exit after a match. I checked this out and found that it is NOT illegal to shake a bucket. It IS illegal to solicit donations in an aggressive way that might upset or annoy the people being solicited. As long as collectors are just shaking buckets to alert people that they are in the vicinity and not pestering or badgering people into donating, they are doing nothing wrong. Perhaps Steve might want to check the truth of what I am saying and then brief his stewards as to what the law is. It may well be that some stewards are attempting to enforce what they genuinely believe the laws of the land to be but are mistaken in their understanding.
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Post by steve2009 on Mar 16, 2009 14:19:55 GMT
i will endeavour to check this out and get an answer, but personally my belief is that of jon's last post watch this space steve004
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Post by Dave on Mar 16, 2009 16:58:36 GMT
I heard about the tin and bucket shaking story before Christmas and yes you guessed correctly, it was on the J.Vine show.It was on there because the Salvation Army had been told they were no longer allowed to shake their collection tins and the reasons given were much the same as Jon has put in his post.
I do feel that a football match I have never felt I had to put money in a bucket if I did not want too and I think we all except that collections will often take place at a match.
Out in the street you can always give a wide berth to anyone collecting, or who wants to stop you for some survey and so I never feel again that I have to do anything I don't want to.
I will put in most collections in the ground and the ones in the street will depend on what the collection is for. As you would expect Cancer charities will always be ones I will give money too, but there are some collections that I feel maybe not so worthy.
The one real problem I do have with collections and people trying to talk with me, is in supermarkets, I was talking about this with my bosses wife today, after I saw the post on here. She felt the same as me and I know I feel under more pressure to give, when my exit from the supermarket is almost blocked by someone with a collecting tin or bucket.
Talking about supermarket collections, I was told today that in Asda at Newton Abbot, there are collection buckets or tins by the checkouts that have Toddy's pictures on them, I have not seen any in the supermarkets here in Paignton.
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Post by jimd on Mar 16, 2009 17:33:22 GMT
Jon has got it spot on.
There is no law that says you cant shake a bucket or rattle a tin when collecting money for charity.
What you mustn't do is annoy people or pressurize them into donating....shaking is fine.
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Post by stuartB on Mar 16, 2009 21:37:34 GMT
Not only did the female steward complain about them shaking their buckets but she complained that my mate had stopped to put money in, on the way to the bar at half-time, because it was causing an obstruction!!!
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Post by forevertufc on Mar 17, 2009 22:07:31 GMT
i have just read something on 606 ,a weymouth talking about 1 of their stewards has hit a 15 year old boy at tonights game. and some think our stewards are bad
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Post by Dave on Mar 17, 2009 22:11:22 GMT
i have just read something on 606 ,a weymouth talking about 1 of their stewards has hit a 15 year old boy at tonights game. and some think our stewards are bad No excuse if he has hit a young boy at the ground, but I would expect things may not have been very good with the Weymouth fans and emotions must have been running very high.
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Post by forevertufc on Mar 17, 2009 23:08:22 GMT
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Post by khilllegend on Mar 18, 2009 7:54:09 GMT
blimey! i still reckon 003 would give em a run for there money though lol !
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