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Post by snakey on Mar 2, 2009 21:12:53 GMT
Steve 004.... I will endeavour to make myself known to you, i am unable to make the game this weekend, but will let you see my ugly mug as requested in the coming game/s.
Also Steve 004... i have watched a few games in the family stand this season, and i dont know if it is me but the stewards over there (and i appreciate they are really the same stewards everywhere!) do not seem as harsh as the pop side?! maybe its because you are seated. But not once have i seen a steward ask anyone to sit down when they have been standing up in there!.
Aussie... I am not here to make enemies, and your apology is well and truly accepted...well your remark that has been withdrawn anyway.
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Post by Dave on Mar 2, 2009 21:45:59 GMT
snakey, you do that mate as I said Steve is an OK guy, we do not do enemies here, we are all big boys, we can fall out at times, but always kiss and makeup in the end Aussie is also an OK guy and will be the first to admit, what he types is not always what he wanted to come out, but stick around and he will crack you up.
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Post by steve2009 on Mar 3, 2009 9:32:35 GMT
Steve 004.... Also Steve 004... i have watched a few games in the family stand this season, and i dont know if it is me but the stewards over there (and i appreciate they are really the same stewards everywhere!) do not seem as harsh as the pop side?! maybe its because you are seated. But not once have i seen a steward ask anyone to sit down when they have been standing up in there!. i think you'll agree that if you look at the difference in stands over the amount of stewards deployed, the family stand at times only has three of four stewards, whilst tufc operating rules state that the ground cannot be opened until they have i believe 28 stewards. on the pop side we have a minimum of 10 stewards and 2 supervisors, the reason we have two supervisors is because of the half time use of boot and laces, we utilise one supervisor to oversee the issuing of the passes and also to liaise with the door staff in the pub and to supervise our own stewards at the boot and laces end. the other supervisor (myself) usually runs around sorting out all the other operational issues of the pop side. moving the stewards into working and workable positions, etc etc also as you stated the family stand is seated whilst the pop side isn't. hope this clarifies this for you. also if you notice the age of the stewards on each side, they are deployed to the areas, that best suits there ability to deal with any situations that may arise, as i have stated previously i have many years experience in the job actually starting as a bouncer (thats when we could be called bouncers) in the pubs and clubs in the west end of London, having served in HM forces, now things have changed and the title door supervisors applies, i have always been a great believer in treating others as you wish to be treated. however the other thing that has changed is to do my job, i have to be trained, i hold my SIA licence, cost £245, course length one week, of my own time, NVQ 2, course no cost financially but commitment to study and be marked on performance the latest which i started last weekend NVQ 3 course no cost again, but commitment to even more home study, marked on performance and tested on skills and knowledge. however the point i am trying to make is, i have a real commitment to myself and to you all that i can and will always strive to improve myself and the things around me that i have the ability to change, and although some people will respond to this, others won't, i have joined this forum to try and resolve many issues raised. and i hope that i will continue to serve you all to the best of my ability at Plainmoor for many years thanks once again Steve 004
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Post by aussie on Mar 3, 2009 18:48:08 GMT
You`ve made a good move in sharing with us what you want and feel mate, you guys need friends and I think you`ve found some! I don`t think the negative points made on here are personal either, you probably know that, we (if I can talk for everyone) appreciate the fact that you are trying to do your best for us and the club. Thanks.
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Post by Dave on Mar 3, 2009 23:10:09 GMT
Steve 004 you were doing so well with you last post and then you went told how you were a bouncer and ended up scaring half the members too death I think its a forum first to have a steward on board and one who will liste and also take the time to explain things from the other side so to speak. It has always been the case that stewards have often in the past been slagged to death on forums and when the Plymouth lot first got here, I was as guilty as anyone for doing so. Mind you it was with good reason, but now we have moved on in the ground and I know most I talk to feel things are much better now. There are still a few things that can be improved, but I do feel having you on here is a step forward in the right direction. Hope you are enjoying your Holiday, but it does sound to me the other boss in your life has you on a working holiday at home
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Post by steve2009 on Mar 4, 2009 11:40:18 GMT
hi all, thanks for your great responses, this is what i am trying to achieve, a place where we can try to alleviate some issues, and build the bridges that others have knocked down, and more importantly to build some great freindships with the power of technology the more we can discuss on here that i can take on your behalf to the powers that be then hopefully we can resolve not only the c word song but other issues that people have and would like a response to, dave, with the comments on scaring people half to death with the statement about me being a bouncer, that was not my intention, i was trying to explain that i have been doing work in this industry for many years and was trying to re-assure you all that i am not a here today gone tomorrow sort of guy who is going to build bridges for others to come along behind me and smash down. i think you have judged me well in saying that i am approachable and easy to talk with, for this i thank you. by the way cheers mate, mrs just read the last bit of your message and i got a smack around the ear. lol i'll be there on saturday and would welcome all to come and say hi, and to give me a face to link with your on-line names and should any of you have any comments to make on here after the game feel assured i will attempt to alleviate the issues raised cheers steve 004
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Post by steve2009 on Mar 4, 2009 11:53:55 GMT
GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!! i met with Plainmoor safety officer, and have discussed a few issues raised on here, i have positive news with reference the c word song, i now have it on good authority that we have the club's backing to deal with this situation, with one warning and your out, however i will try to do this tactfully and hopefully without causing problems to escalate, and without causing the situation to overflow and disturb others enjoyment of the game. however if we do not get the problem resolved it may mean use of restraint methods being employed to remove the offenders. this is the last resort action and i want to try to maintain order and enforce the club's rules, without ejection of anyone. Steve 004
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Post by steve2009 on Mar 4, 2009 12:00:00 GMT
You`ve made a good move in sharing with us what you want and feel mate, you guys need friends and I think you`ve found some! I don`t think the negative points made on here are personal either, you probably know that, we (if I can talk for everyone) appreciate the fact that you are trying to do your best for us and the club. Thanks. thanks aussie positive feedback, this was my goal, the negative points were not and will never be taken as personal, each person has the right to an opinion, some we take on board but others we ignore, however the point of me being on here is to help and build bridges to a common conclusion. if i took comments personally i would have already been a snivelling wreck in a loony bin many years ago, lol, mrs has just said i'm on day release really!!!!!!!
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Post by jimd on Mar 4, 2009 13:04:10 GMT
Thanks for doing all this Steve.
Its good to know that Stewards can be approachable and are doing their best to accommodate the fans as well as enforcing the club rules and of course the law, in what must be at times a difficult job.
Keep up the good work.
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Post by Dave on Mar 4, 2009 17:02:35 GMT
Steve, It is good news that the club has now said it will allow the matter to be delt with by the stewards. I do think that the club should firstly find away to firstly get the message across , that the c word song will no longer be tolerated and also state what action will be taken.
I'm not to sure that it should just be left to the stewards to give out the message, as I fear it will just lead some to start some sort on anti steward thing in the ground.
If it is just going to be left down to the stewards, then the message will have to be loud and clear, because as you know. my view was that removing fans from the ground had to be used only as the last resort.
As long as it is made clear and then if some feel its OK to sing the song, then If after a warning they do not stop, removing one or two will hopefully get the message across to them. I would hope they will respond in a positive way and then maybe concentrate singing songs we would all want to join in.
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Post by steve2009 on Mar 4, 2009 18:00:17 GMT
as quoted by daveR I'm not to sure that it should just be left to the stewards to give out the message, as I fear it will just lead some to start some sort on anti steward thing in the ground.
If it is just going to be left down to the stewards, then the message will have to be loud and clear, because as you know. my view was that removing fans from the ground had to be used only as the last resort.
with reference this statement i agree totally and will address this with the safety officer, however i also feel that removing one or two that still continue to sing the song after a warning will at least start the message to the small minority that this will be the result of there actions should it continue as you and i have spoken about before the last thing i want and you want is for fans to be removed but i think the hard line to a few will result in the others towing the line steve 004
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Post by Dave on Mar 4, 2009 18:36:48 GMT
Steve I'm sure it will be handled in a very professional way, I just felt that the club should make some sort of statement so the offenders knew it was the wish of the club and not something the stewards were taking upon themselves.
Yes we did agree that if some failed to respond to firstly a request and then a warning, removing one or two would hopefully get the message home and that would be the end of it and we could all move on. Lets hope as I said they will listen to reason and not sing the song, so we do not then see fans being removed from the ground.
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Post by Dave on Mar 4, 2009 20:37:56 GMT
With all the posts on this thread, I nearly decided to make a brand new board, I was trying to think of a name for it and then Merse came into my head for some reason.
So a great board name would have been Stewards Inquiry or an I just getting even more madder. ;D
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Post by steve2009 on Mar 5, 2009 10:42:34 GMT
With all the posts on this thread, I nearly decided to make a brand new board, I was trying to think of a name for it and then Merse came into my head for some reason. So a great board name would have been Stewards Inquiry or an I just getting even more madder. ;D madness is a great quality, look at all the great inventors, Einstein for one, lol however people also thought Hitler was also a bit psychotic lol ;D but you crack on Dave and let me know where i should be posting my responses many thanks once again Steve 004
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Post by rjdgull on Mar 6, 2009 12:27:57 GMT
Announcement in respect of the above now on the official site. As I bring two almost six year olds to the ground this can only be a good thing
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