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Post by stuartB on Mar 26, 2009 21:49:08 GMT
I think Buckle is right to raise the point about the lack of atmosphere at Plainmoor (the moan old gits who get on the players backs are another kettle of fish). It was like a graveyard on Tuesday and who does what first? Do the players play well and we clap or do we cheer like buggery and get them to raise their game? "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" IMO we need to get the atmosphere going first and if they make a mistake, get on with it. I don't think the current squad will get us into the League - the BSP must be the hardest league in the world to get out of. It may take another year or so - I for one will be here this season and next (god willing). probably because of all of us part-time supporters!!  |
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Post by merse on Mar 27, 2009 4:54:00 GMT
......................it will be the case some times, that a member can end up finding that due to their views being challenged, it will result in them making many posts on the thread. I think the lesson here is that the posts would be better not to be seem as just repeating the same argument.  Or that they realise that their view is not the only and definitive view on a subject. By all means stick to your guns Fonda, but don't continue your extremely irritating habit of repetitious nit picking at every aspect of Paul Buckle's management you can think of. Your obsessive, and rather strange behaviour gives the impression that you live an extremely sad and tedious existence in a boring little market town in the sticks where you pass the day by either sitting in front of your PC in a sad little room with no-one for company or you work for some indulgent and less than worldly employer who hasn't got the nous to demand some return for their investment in your labour. Or maybe you take your lap top down to the nearest bus shelter (about two miles away in your locality?) from where you obsessively berate the arriving drivers that they are pulling up too far from the kerb/two minutes, fifteen seconds late/and are in fact driving the same vehicle that their colleague was seven hours ago...................yes, I'm afraid these sad bastards do exist! In other words, Fonda; (and DO take this personally - VERY personally) you are boring the tits off people who (as Jon says) ran away from the other site to escape such mind numbing nerds as you and would rather not go through all that bloody torture again!  |
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Post by Dave on Mar 27, 2009 7:13:06 GMT
Right Now I'm Listening TooI wish it could be Christmas everyday A lovely song and one that reminds me of the season of good will, something that seems a bit short on here at times.
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Post by Fonda on Mar 27, 2009 9:16:32 GMT
......................it will be the case some times, that a member can end up finding that due to their views being challenged, it will result in them making many posts on the thread. I think the lesson here is that the posts would be better not to be seem as just repeating the same argument. Or that they realise that their view is not the only and definitive view on a subject. By all means stick to your guns Fonda, but don't continue your extremely irritating habit of repetitious nit picking at every aspect of Paul Buckle's management you can think of. Your obsessive, and rather strange behaviour gives the impression that you live an extremely sad and tedious existence in a boring little market town in the sticks where you pass the day by either sitting in front of your PC in a sad little room with no-one for company or you work for some indulgent and less than worldly employer who hasn't got the nous to demand some return for their investment in your labour. Or maybe you take your lap top down to the nearest bus shelter (about two miles away in your locality?) from where you obsessively berate the arriving drivers that they are pulling up too far from the kerb/two minutes, fifteen seconds late/and are in fact driving the same vehicle that their colleague was seven hours ago...................yes, I'm afraid these sad bastards do exist! In other words, Fonda; (and DO take this personally - VERY personally) you are boring the tits off people who (as Jon says) ran away from the other site to escape such mind numbing nerds as you and would rather not go through all that bloody torture again! What a curious post. Your insinuation appears to be your locality, in our nations capital, makes you a more valid forum user? Perhaps living in mid-devon make's me 'backward' somehow? Do you actually believe half the stuff you type? I can only assume it must sound better in your head than it looks on the screen. What a strange little man you are. It appears the size of the town directly equates to the size of the ego. Where the hell do you get off trying to second guess who i am, and what i do? That is absolutely none of your business, and bares no relevance to my entitlement to post on this forum. This might come as a surprise to you Mr Merson, but i don't have to answer for my 'behaviour' on here to you. If you don't like the frequency with which i post, or the contents of what i have to say, i'm afraid that's your problem, not mine. I thought i'd explained myself yesterday, and the matter had been put to bed. If you think i'm going to be continually apologising for daring to possess an alternate opinion to you, you're very much mistaken. It might surprise you to hear that just occasionally your opinion 'bores the tits off me' too (notice how i speak for myself only, and don't profess to be able to speak for other 'people'), but it's your opinion and i'm adult enough to realise you're entitled to it. It's not my place, as a fellow forum user to criticse you for having it, or to attempt to pressure you into into changing it, or the way you deliver it. If you post something i disgree with (and i consider is worthy of reply) i'll make a counter-point - that's how forums work. They cease to function when particularly self-important, over-bearing individuals start to believe their opinion is more worthy than eveyone else's. I can't believe that it's necessary to say this to a man of your advancing years (again), but you need to learn to treat people with respect Merse. We've been here before, and still you're no closer to learning. I'm not going to compromise my opinion. just because of the 'weight of numbers' opposing it. Are you actually afraid of debate? Do you fear those that don't subscribe to the Merson Mantra? For the last time, i am here to discuss TUFC. Not get into some personal argument with some bloke i don't know, and have absolutely no desire to. Just discuss the points at hand, and leave your personal little vendetta in your head. You're making yourself look silly. |
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Post by Mark L on Mar 27, 2009 14:58:45 GMT
As exciting as it is to know the current status of the Jon vs Fonda debate....
I was quite surprised to see the vote was in favour of the supporters needing to make more of an effort.
I'm certainly not proud to say it but I much prefer away games because people always do seem to make that effort. Sure it's because you feel like a slight under-dog, but it's there isn't it? The feeling that you're all there to try and help 'your team' win the match, to get those three vital points and YOU feel a part of it. At home, I feel almost like I'm in a constant battle to make my voice louder than incessant whingers who make the whole experience so much more tiresome than you'd expect from something which people should be there to enjoy. I liken it to gigs (which I partake in as often as is financially possible!)... I've seen some god-awful bands but, if the crowd is really going for it, I'm entertained. Equally, I've seen the White Stripes (ok, I'm a little off subject here) who are amazing live with a crowd of real miserable, fashion-obsessed Londonites in the beautiful surrounds of Hyde Park and hated it.
What I'm getting at is, in order to enjoy your experience, you need to put some effort in yourself. Admittedly, the majority of home-crowds are like this but when they're not, they really are the making of a game... for me at least.
Paul maybe should have worded things a little better for political reasons, but, personally, I don't think he was wrong.
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Post by aussie on Mar 27, 2009 15:07:27 GMT
Hooray we`re back on topic, take the fight to another thread please gentlemen as this thread is this thread and not a nother!
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Post by malagagull on Mar 27, 2009 16:09:00 GMT
Well my view for what it is worth is.......our home support is utterly naff. We used to have a really intimitading noisey atmosphere ....with the volume well turned up.....no silly chants against the opposition just support for the Gulls which everybody could join in with. Of course that was back in the 60`s and 70`s . I have spoken to various former players from around thet era and all said Plainmoor was one of the places away teams least wanted to visit......so what went wrong?
Maybe with the decline in standard during the Pope era we all just got beaten down until now some of us have turned into grumpy old gits (not me) who just seem to slag off various players trying to do their best......Have to say I think Buckle has a point ....although he could have put it over better.
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Post by aussie on Mar 27, 2009 17:19:13 GMT
How about we recruit the services of another drummer boy?
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Post by aussie on Mar 27, 2009 17:31:39 GMT
Time for the" Kiss and make up thread " me thinks! Only joking! ;D
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Post by merse on Mar 27, 2009 19:23:03 GMT
What a curious post. Do you actually believe half the stuff you type? None so tedious as those who can't see when they're having the piss taken out of them. Don't take it so seriously young man! |
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Post by Fonda on Mar 27, 2009 19:46:21 GMT
What a curious post. Do you actually believe half the stuff you type? None so tedious as those who can't see when they're having the piss taken out of them. Don't take it so seriously young man! I shall try not to in future. Old man. |
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Post by Dave on Mar 27, 2009 20:56:52 GMT
. Funnily enough, I firmly believe that having a more circumspect and low-profile Chairman / Board actually heaps more pressure on the manager – although I am sure that is not the intention. !I think that is one very good point that no one has every really thought about Jon and I think you are 100% correct in your observation. It was always the case in the Bateson days that he was the man who took most of the abuse that fans wanted to throw, but then he was really the sole owner and the one who made all the major decisions. While I can understand your fears that the chairman would run the risk of having anything he says being taken in different ways and pulled to pieces by some, I still believe a chairman should have much more to say and only because he is seen as the top man. Maybe it would also help Buckle as it would take some of the limelight off him, he is I believe somewhat shy, having the chairman or even Colin Lee doing more of the media stuff, would let Buckle just focus 100 % on the team and nothing else. |
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Post by stuartB on Mar 27, 2009 21:55:29 GMT
When supporting TUFC away, I have always found the crowd to be more vocal and up beat. When travelling the majority seem to treat it as a good day/weekend out and the football is incidental to having a good time.
i enjoy visiting different places and enjoy the experience of the day. of course, I want us to win but it isn't the b all and end all.
when watching TUFC at home it is an opportunity to catch up with friends and have a chat. perhaps because I live away, it isn't all about just turning up for the game.
Alot of locals are there just for the game and the result is everything.
In 32 years of following TUFC we have never been a big singing club. a few verses of "drink up ye cider" and that was about it.
because we don't sing alot, it doesn't drown out the voices of the idiots, especially in the popside. we all know who they are, as most of us stand near them. if the game gets tight, they crank up the nervous tension and start shouting crap at the players. why do they do that? it has the effect of making things worse. the players get nervous and we are in a downward spiral. do they actually want that, just so they can say "I told you we would lose"
they get on the backs of Carlisle and Dsane and you can visibly see the effect it has on the players. surely it would be better to encourage??? No, these idiots complain from the first to the last minute and then claim to be real fans.
I have often wanted to confront these people but what is the point.
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Post by Dave on Mar 27, 2009 22:16:32 GMT
I would agree that going to any away game is so much more of a day out, merse always seems to make it a full day and the game is just one part of it.
I must admit going to Plainmoor for me is getting the chance to say hello to those I know and then only the match. As soon as the game is over I'm on my way home.
What has happened to those real characters who were the vocal ones in the ground? the ones who shouted out things that made you laugh and not the foul abuse we hear now.
Its a long time since I heard drink up you cider being sung in the ground and what makes me really laugh is that we get treated every week to the song Exeter is full of S***. What is that all about, we are in a different league, the away fans won't get it and as there will be no city fans in the ground who is it being sung too.
We do need to have songs sung that are directed at our team and players, ones that everyone would be happy joining in with.I did hear on Tuesday night a few telling those shouting out abuse to carlisle and Dsane to shut up.
Maybe if a few more started doing that then the said people would get the message and might even try and shout out some encouragement.
Some things have changed at Plainmoor and not all for the best, still its much better now he have rid the ground of some of the very bad swearing and I'm sure we will see improvements in the singing some time soon.
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Post by aussie on Mar 28, 2009 9:37:41 GMT
When supporting TUFC away, I have always found the crowd to be more vocal and up beat. When travelling the majority seem to treat it as a good day/weekend out and the football is incidental to having a good time. i enjoy visiting different places and enjoy the experience of the day. of course, I want us to win but it isn't the b all and end all. when watching TUFC at home it is an opportunity to catch up with friends and have a chat. perhaps because I live away, it isn't all about just turning up for the game. Alot of locals are there just for the game and the result is everything. In 32 years of following TUFC we have never been a big singing club. a few verses of "drink up ye cider" and that was about it. because we don't sing alot, it doesn't drown out the voices of the idiots, especially in the popside. we all know who they are, as most of us stand near them. if the game gets tight, they crank up the nervous tension and start shouting crap at the players. why do they do that? it has the effect of making things worse. the players get nervous and we are in a downward spiral. do they actually want that, just so they can say "I told you we would lose" they get on the backs of Carlisle and Dsane and you can visibly see the effect it has on the players. surely it would be better to encourage??? No, these idiots complain from the first to the last minute and then claim to be real fans. I have often wanted to confront these people but what is the point. The players should have learned to ignore Pimmy by now! |
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