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Post by Budleigh on Mar 3, 2009 17:22:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2009 19:56:17 GMT
Chanting? Believe me that was the Golden Age. So many of the compositions of that era stood the test of time. I think there were only three editions of the Gulls Cry - a second a month or so after the one pictured and another at some stage the following season. It's got me thinking about when we became the Gulls. I'm pretty sure it wasn't too long before 1968 and it was a form of re-branding (not that we might have used that expression so freely back then) which was a consequence of the more commercial/pop culture scene football was moving into at the time. This was in the wake of England's World Cup win and against the backcloth of the George Best phenomenon and what was happening in the music and fashion businesses (well, it was the bleedin' sixties, wasn't it?). Suddenly there were glossy football magazines (such as Jimmy Hill's Football Weekly), club shops rather than souvenir kiosks (the odd one may have been known as a "soccertique" - Derby certainly had the Ramstique). We, of course, had the Gulls Shop under the main stand. Overnight these places stocked a range of items which extended beyond the tradiitional rattle-and-bobble hat combination into pennants (anybody collect those? I did but can't understand why), underwear (Derby again being innovative in this department) and, in time, silk scarves (they were strange weren't they?). Hang on, what's this I've found:
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Post by Fonda on Mar 3, 2009 20:06:30 GMT
That scarf is fantastic. I wasn't aware the 'gull' was in evidence at that time - thought it was a more modern creation. The old badge looks classy though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2009 21:14:22 GMT
That scarf is fantastic. I wasn't aware the 'gull' was in evidence at that time - thought it was a more modern creation. The old badge looks classy though. And here's the distinctive middle bit.....
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 3, 2009 21:25:11 GMT
According to the inside of the magazine it was to be produced bi-monthly with five editions per year and was published by a specialist company who dealt in supporters magazines...
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Post by Dave on Mar 3, 2009 22:06:22 GMT
Thanks BudleighGull and Barton, the treasures you boys find and share with us all are fantastic and it never ceases to amaze me what TUFC fans must have in their collections, who said we were just a little club
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2009 23:05:20 GMT
Seaside club....plays in yellow and blue....
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Post by ealinggull on Mar 4, 2009 0:56:34 GMT
The silk scarf era peaked in 3 or 4 seasons around about 1976/7 I think you'll find. It was categorically not a 60's thing.
I still have my gulls one and the england one worn when we beat Italy at Wembley in the last qualifier for the Argentine world cup (Nov 1977). We won the game 2-0 (Keegan & Brooking against the mighty Zoff) but still 'didny qualify' (as the Scots all reminded us!)
I would suggest that these scarves were the first ever 'branded' scarves. Up until that point (for our younger brethren) everyone had scarves knitted in their teams colours and put lapel badges (or even rosettes) on them to show ones allegiance.
How many scarves have we all been though since those days?
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 4, 2009 7:53:03 GMT
I believe my blue United silk scarf may still be lying in the back of some b*****d Pompey supporters draw as it was whipped off my wrist (remember, we tied them round our wrists cos we had the knitted ones knotted round the neck!) after we beat them 2-1 in October 1979. Les Lawrence and the might midget Peter Coffill scored the goals in front of just over 5000. If I recall, for some reason there were alot of Portsmouth supporters in the Pop side and they were 'marauding' along the front. Afterwards we left, two 14 year old boys, and were walking to Cary park to be picked up by parents when a group approached us, skinheaded bovver boys as most following Portsmouth seemed to be those days, and demanded our scarves. My friend came out with the classic, oft repeated line, 'You can't have mine, my Mum knitted it for me!' (Sorry Shaun...). Showing a modicum of compassion, or disbelief, they whipped my silk one instead never to be seen again..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 8:09:28 GMT
The silk scarf era peaked in 3 or 4 seasons around about 1976/7 I think you'll find. It was categorically not a 60's thing. I still have my gulls one and the england one worn when we beat Italy at Wembley in the last qualifier for the Argentine world cup (Nov 1977). I think that's spot on. I used the words "in time" deliberately to provide any old excuse for bringing silk scarves to the thread. I did some work at Plainmoor over the summer of 1975 and remembering snaffling a St Helens RLFC silkie that had clearly been sent to the club as a manufacturer's sample. That would have been the start of the craze. There were some pretty garish non-silk scarves around in those days with all sorts of stars and other symbols - probably part of the move away from the bog standard traditional. And this - more than any other time? - was the period of wearing the scarf from your waist or your wrist (well 'ard). What was the history of this? And what about ski hats - which I've always ended up calling bobble hats - in spite of the absence of a bobble? There was an outbreak of these on Merseyside, for certain, in the mid 1980s with two-tones (half Everton; half Hearts sort of thing) and loads of German ones. And, yes, I was at England v Italy too.
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 4, 2009 8:57:26 GMT
I blame the Bay City Rollers!! Look at their TV coverage from the early/mid seventies.. Silk scarves around the waist with knitted scarves knotted round the neck... Shang-a-Lang may've been the pivotal song, arms aloft, swaying as if in a football crowd, urging the crowd to do the same, clapping in unison... And prats like us all copied it!!
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Post by jmgull on Mar 4, 2009 19:41:12 GMT
....What a nice thread, as i was born in '68 it was very intresting to read snippets of that mag.
The silk scarves of the late 70's and early 80's were fantastic, why dont they bring them back?
I've still got mine somewhere.....can remember that Pompey match so clearly, and can still picture the bearded Peter Coffill getting our second goal in front of our best gate that season, Plainmoor seemed so packed that night and i still cant get my head round the fact that you could possibly get another 16,000 people in our ground just a couple of decades of previous to then.
The pompey fans if i remember actually "took" the mini stand.......at the tender age of 10 or 11 it was the first time that i'd seen football hooliganism at first hand, it certainly meant that it was a few years before i was allowed to watch a match from there.
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 4, 2009 20:07:11 GMT
The Pompey fans weren't the only ones in those far off days to 'take' the mini stand. Newport County, Boxing Day 1979... another bumber crowd of just under 5,500. Peter Coffill again on the score sheet, along with Tommy Sermanni as we won 2-1. But before the game started the cry of 'come and have a go if you think you're hard enough' from our boys as we thrust our silk scarved wrists in the air, beckoning.... anyway, they did come and have a go, they did think they were hard enough... and before you knew it the Mini Stand became Wales-by-the-Sea. It may be my bad memory but I believe they were helped by a large contingent of their lot getting into the stand before the game unannounced and then showing their true colours when the chant went up. I do know that I was running away like a good 'un, a football hooliogan I would never make!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 20:52:00 GMT
Two purchases from the original Gulls Shop of long ago:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 21:36:19 GMT
How many other instances, outside of the Milan, Paris, London catwalks, do you see the hue of a shade of a colour of yellow stir up such passionate debate?.... ....In my humble opinion it's NOT yellow, or orange but GOLD!! Well it was certainly gold in RC Churchill's 60 Seasons of League Football published in 1958: And we remained gold in the Playfair annuals of the 1960s as well as the first two editions of Rothmans (70/71 and 71/72).... .....but yellow by the time of the third edition published in 1972. From Playfair 1963/64: And, when Stanley Matthews played for us, we positively glowed under those early Plainmoor lights:
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