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Post by merse on Jul 19, 2008 17:38:22 GMT
That's good to hear Dave, we don't want the "acidic content" damaging the pitch. By the way, I'm listening to the Fratellis' "Vince The Loveable Stoner" and your dancing avatar looks a scream jigging along to the beat! ;D
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Post by Dave on Jul 19, 2008 17:41:57 GMT
That's good to hear Dave, we don't want the "acidic content" damaging the pitch. By the way, I'm listening to the Fratellis' "Vince The Loveable Stoner" and [glow=yellow,2,300]your dancing avatar[/glow] looks a scream jigging along to the beat! ;D Yours is still giving me nightmares ;D ;D worse when someone told me how much it looked like you ;D
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Post by jerry on Jul 19, 2008 17:42:27 GMT
I'd have to pretty much agree with Dave's summing up of the game. I thought Wroe looked a quality player first half as did Carlisle. Sills was very quiet first half with Benyon seeing a lot more of the ball, he still lacks a bit of strength for me but he does seem to have improved his all round game from last season.
We made 8 changes from what could easily be considered our first choice team at half time and didn't weaken the team at all!! I think that says a lot for the strength of squad Bucks has put together this season!
Nicholson looked slow and (as per last season) half asleep on occasion. I would definitely start with Hodges at left back, this would also make room for the once again impressive Carayol!
Not sure what Benyon was doing for their goal, from their corner he was stood in acres of space at the back post marking absolutely nobody. When the ball was cleared to Jacobsen on the edge of the box he was totally unmarked and scored a cracking goal, should have been Benyon's man I think!
Our goal was a trademark header from Sills after a good run and inch perfect cross from Carayol just after half time.
Overall a good performance, we controlled most of the game, especially second half, against a side 2 divisions above us.
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Post by merse on Jul 19, 2008 17:47:31 GMT
Not sure what Benyon was doing for their goal, from their corner he was stood in acres of space at the back post marking absolutely nobody. Oh don't tempt me, this could get silly
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Post by Dave on Jul 19, 2008 17:50:23 GMT
One point I would make is, why are we putting every single player back in the box, when we are defending a corner?
You know its going to come out and then straight back in again. I fail to understand this tactic. Keep two or three up and they have to keep players back to mark. Also there is a chance the ball breaks to a forward and the possibility of a break away goal.
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Post by jamie on Jul 19, 2008 19:51:13 GMT
One point I would make is, why are we putting every single player back in the box, when we are defending a corner? You know its going to come out and then straight back in again. I fail to understand this tactic. Keep two or three up and they have to keep players back to mark. Also there is a chance the ball breaks to a forward and the possibility of a break away goal. I never like this either, but TBF it was a tactic employed by Buckle the first half of the season last year with some effect. I would hope that this dosn't become a standard tufc style though. When you look at the pace and talent in our squad you would hope that we are able to make use of it via the "breakaway". That said, maybe Bucks feels we have enough talent to score plenty of goals from our usual play and can afford to be cautious when defending. Then again what the hell do I know about tactics!! I wanted to go today but a combination of having to study for a job interview and a caravan being delivered stopped me (not my caravan I promise, a friend is emigrating and is storing it on my land - that said I do intend to make use of it ~ I have joined the caravan club and feel the need to buy a motorbike and have an affair just to redress the balance!) Mid life crisis anyone?
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Post by merse on Jul 19, 2008 20:23:56 GMT
a caravan being delivered stopped me (not my caravan I promise, a friend is emigrating and is storing it on my land - that said I do intend to make use of it ~ I have joined the caravan club and feel the need to buy a motorbike and have an affair just to redress the balance!) Can't wait to see you pull a bird and try in vain to tow* her off in the van using a motorbike! ;D * NB that's tow her off, not toe her off
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Post by chesneygull on Jul 19, 2008 20:31:24 GMT
I have to agree with pretty much most of what Dave originally started with. In the first half there wasn't much between the teams and I thought Thompson and Wroe made a difference to our style of play. There was much more emphasis of getting the ball on the floor and trying to work an opening. Thought Carlisle did OK as well and put in some decent crosses which I believe Sills will benefit from this season. Great to see Poke back between the sticks - he had an OK first game. What happened to Nicholson? Seemed OK and then vitally lost concentration a few times where Rovers nearly scored. Thought that Hodges put in a better permformance second half and, on today's showing, would start with him at left back. I like Hargreaves but not as a centre half. Little concerned that we have no pace in centre defence which teams will no doubt exploit this year. I'd have to go with the experience of Todd and Woods even though I'm not entirely convinced. Benyon showed a lot of effort and could have scored a couple. Got brushed off the ball quite easy and felt that Sills played better with Green in the second half. Overall, reasonable display with three weeks to go.
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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Jul 19, 2008 20:37:59 GMT
Player Report
Poke - 9/10 - great presence, constantly communicating with defender's especially the young one's who needed it (Ellis, Robertson) Good decision making and two or three very good saves.
Mansell 7/10 - Steady first half, got forward well at time's, let forward beat him to the back post for what should have been a goal once.
Todd - 8/10 - Looked assured and did'nt do much wrong.
Hargreaves 7/10 - Reasonably comfortable at centre half but might take a little longer to fully adapt to that role.
Nicholson 7/10 - Looked comfortable, one slip on the ball that might have been costly, otherwise, played pretty well.
Carlisle 8/10 - played a couple of decent balls, looked lively on the wing, got into good positions, looks a really decent player.
Wroe 8/10 - looked comfortable, passed the ball well, again looks like a decent signing.
Thompson 9/10 (my man of match) - Very assured display, easy short passing, very involved with play, won the ball well a number of time's, looked very good both defensively and getting forward. One frailty is that he seemed uncomfortable to shoot from the edge of the box.
Hodges 6/10 - Did'nt do much wrong but did not, for me, fit on the left hand side as he is not a pacey wing player and kept coming central, leaving less options on the left. He looked pretty comfortable at Left Back but, personally, i'd opt for Nico.
Sills - 8/10 - Scored the goal. Looked good alongside Benyon first half. After his goal he was'nt so industrius but it could take a little time for him and Green to develop an understanding.
Benyon - 7/10 - made room for himself on a couple of occasions to shoot. Shame that he didnt get a goal but he was still quite impressive.
Robertson - 6/10 - He's still not good enough, or confident enough on the ball, wasted a couple of crossing oppertunities but looked pretty good defensivley.
Ellis - 6/10 - got turned to easily a couple of times and made an almost costly mistake in the box, a couple of stray forward balls but he also made one or two decent challenges to break up attacks.
Woods - 8/10 - Very assured, no real mistakes, doesnt just win the ball, he distributes it. Pace could be a problem for him against some forwards though.
Brough - 3/10 - To be honest, extremely dissapointing. Lost the ball on a number of occasions through a poor first touch and complacency, did'nt distribute well either and looked less fit than the other player's. For periods in the 2nd half he seemed non-existent and, in my opinion, has alot to prove.
Adams - 7/10 - Passed the ball well and looked much better than Brough alongside him, He didnt make any really effective forward passes but was not helped by the poor performance of his midfield partner.
Carayol 7/10 - Great run and cross to set up the goal, was'nt afraid to take defender's on, did however, give the ball away on a couple of occasions but looks promising.
Stevens - 7/10 - Great player with the ball at his feet, he is so comfortable on it, didnt do much to turn the head today but keeps possesion very well.
Green - 7/10 - Unlucky with the effort that hit the post, made one or two decent runs. He looks like a quock player and a good finisher, therefore, i am sure there will be more to come from him. Personally though, over the course of the two games that i have seen i believe Benyon would be a better partner to Sills. It is probably a little early though, i am sure Green and Sills will develop a better understanding. On the basis of todays game and what i already kno about last season's players my eleven would be: GK: Poke, LB: Nicholson, CB'S: Todd and Woods, RB: Mansell, CM'S: Hargreaves and Thompson, Wingers: Right - Carlisle and left - Stevens, Forwards: Sills and Benyon
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Post by jamie on Jul 19, 2008 20:43:04 GMT
*NB that's tow her off, not toe her off [/quote] very good ;D
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Post by jamie on Jul 19, 2008 20:44:29 GMT
tufcwewillbeback-
Thanks for the player's ratings mate, really appreciated. Keep up the good work.
Jamie
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Post by andygulls on Jul 19, 2008 21:44:49 GMT
An interesting game and a solid test for the squad. We demonstrated the ability to play some good football in an attacking sense; we were combative in midfield as well as creative and had an opportunity or two up front. Sills in the early minutes should have put a shot on target after a defensive error, but shot across goal and wide. Benyon struggled against a strong defence had an opportunity at 0-0 but sent a weak shot wide. He did however force a good save from the ‘keeper low down to his left when breaking in the inside right channel. Overall however I did not feel he was linking well with Sills and was either poorly placed or too weak to get past a defender to feed on the flicks. The opening goal for Rovers was a great shot from Jacobson the sort of goal you have to applaud and for which no one is at fault. We kept our heads well though and battled on. The changes in the second half sparked a little more life and Stevens and Carayol both caused problems for Rovers with pace and trickery. The equaliser coming from a decent cross from Carayol, meat and drink for Sills to head home, even if it meant a bit of a knock for the big man. Green was causing the Rovers defence problems and should have scored when through one on one with the keeper late on, but from an angle wide right placed his shot across goal against the left hand upright, the ball rebounding to safety. He did get the ball in the net a little later, but the referees whistle had already been blown. In defence we were our own worst enemies with, I am afraid, Ellis making a few mistakes. Brough and Adams eventually got it going in the middle of the park and certainly by the end were a match for the opposition. Sills and Green look a useful pairing.
Well it’s till early days but here are my opinions after watching the first 3 games, heavily influenced by today.
Poke impressed and showed why he has been such a prime target for us. Back to bench warming for Rice.
We have a problem at right back where Mansell has started slowly. I will always have a regard for Mansell, who never gave up and gave 110% even in our season of woe. He does not impress me as a right back however and this remains an area of the team about which I have concern. If anything Robertson has played slightly the better of the two at right back, but it’s still early days. Not sure what to make about the centre half position. Merse made a valuable point the other day about the ability of Todd to provide a goal threat at set pieces. For me he is still our best centre half. I do worry about the combined lack of pace though if we are really going to play Hargreaves at CB. I am still struggling to feel comfortable with him at the back but he has a good footballing brain and can probably adapt. Will we be too pedestrian? Woods did OK today (I am not usually a Woods fan). Ellis for me was woeful, full of mistakes. Nicholson must be under pressure now from Hodges. We looked far more solid down the left defensively in the second half with Hodges in place, but maybe that was down to the Rovers changes. In the first half Nicho was often caught out of position and was rescued by Hargreaves.
Midfield is a strength. I cannot agree that Wroe was poor today for me he had another solid game. Thompson however stands out. I have absolutely no doubt that he will become a fans favourite and he will also get a few suspensions during the course of the season! Brough and Adams provided a different combination and approach. Both made some mistakes, but it seems that Bucks may have given up on playing Brough at centre half he needs another game or two but showed enough for me to indicate that he too can be a good player for us. Adams looked fitter than he did last season and can only benefit from a full pre season. But he will find it difficult I think to force a regular starting place and this will no doubt hamper his game. He was a little rusty today and made an error or two. Out wide Hodges and Carlisle provide an assured solidity and ability. The lift in pace and enthusiasm comes from Carayol and Stevens. Both looked lively today. The only danger from our depth in midfield is that players not featuring may become disgruntled as the season wears on.
Up front I am afraid for me Benyon demonstrated why he won’t cut it with the big boys. Lightweight and easily brushed off the ball; he does not provide a physical presence that troubles defenders in the lower reaches. A fox in the box is no good if he is spending half of his time on the ground. Green should have scored but has pace and makes intelligent runs. From a distance Sills seemed to enjoy the second half partnership more than the first but that is probably just me.
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Post by Dave on Jul 19, 2008 21:53:15 GMT
First class report Andy, thanks do you know you would have now made that Merse happy. I can see his face at 4am already, laughing ear to ear, reading your views on Benyon
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Post by merse on Jul 20, 2008 7:48:29 GMT
I am afraid for me Benyon demonstrated why he won’t cut it with the big boys. Lightweight and easily brushed off the ball; he does not provide a physical presence that troubles defenders in the lower reaches. If you check the player profiles, 5'1" Danny Stevens weighs in at 11st7 whilst Elliott Benyon's 5'9" weighs just 10 stone. Thereby holds the problem as I see it, not only is he lightweight but puny with it..............a concave chest and lack of strength that no amount of close control or speed off the mark effectively overcomes when it comes to playing against seasoned pro's. Whereas the only physical problem Stevens has to overcome (his height) can be achieved through technique, there is nothing Benyon can do beyond "bulking up" which may lessen his speed off the mark................I'm afraid it's many long hours in the gym for the lad whilst with Stevens rather than put him on the rack, hours of one to one coaching in how to track back consistently would be of benefit to his game and give him a realistic chance of starting matches rather than being utilised as a sub when the game is starting to "stretch out" Pun intended ;D) in the closing stages.
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