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Post by capitalgull on Apr 21, 2009 21:41:10 GMT
reality check!! how did we do against Elmore? Failed in that one as well - 1-0. Looks like we were struggling for bodies and Robbie Herrera played.
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Post by stewart on Apr 21, 2009 21:51:55 GMT
Those who are continuing to support the manager are perfectly correct to do so at this stage of the season, and there is most definitely no case for saying that he should be dismissed because of the habitual poor end-of-season run.
However, based on what I have seen in the recent games versus Kettering (albeit a good win), Crawley and Salisbury, our style of play has become even more one-dimensional and predictable than it was earlier in the season.
There is logically one person responsible for that, and I have to say that his tactical knowledge and ideas are really very limited. I know that he is a comparative novice and should receive both time and encouragement to learn, but that is of little consolation when it appears that we are about to fail again.
We may well beat Burton comfortably on Sunday if it can be believed, as many do, that they will fall apart out of sheer nerves and desperation after being so far ahead in the table.
With the players at our disposal, though, it should never have come to this. Yes, I know that the manager is the one who has assembled them, and fair play to him for that. Sadly, he seems to have little idea how to use them to the best advantage.
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Post by petef on Apr 21, 2009 22:22:53 GMT
I suppose we do at least have something to play for on the last day though my guess is we will miss out to Kidderminster by one point. Burton will not be trembling in their boots. Yes they have had a poor run and when you are at the top everyone is guning for you, but they are a very good side and will want revenge in front of the cameras. The pressure will be on us and this will be the ultimate test. I predict Burton to win by the odd goal or at least get the draw they require whilst Kidderminster overwhelm a nothing to play for Kettering. Negative I know but we just dont perform at home and any cutting edge we did have up front seems to have deserted us completely in the last few weeks. Cannot fault the effort from the players but I would single out Easter weekend as the crucial point when we have all but thrown our chance away and when the going got tough we just didnt get going. Without doubt Ill be there on Sunday as I was against Colchester, Southend, Barnet, Crewe, Blackpool PrestonNE, Swansea, Scunthorpe etc etc and win or lose I will be there next season, season ticket in hand.
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Post by Rob on Apr 22, 2009 3:46:12 GMT
Shattered having returned an hour ago though unable to sleep, I'll keep it brief.
Barrow were by far the better side in the first half looking extremely dangerous with their two very mobile centre-forwards. Time and again they broke away down our left and I suspect that, rather than a knock, was the reason for Dsane's early departure and the switching of Carlisle to the left - incidentally where he had started the game before switching after 10. Most of our attacking play in that half was of the tried and trusted variety to which we have become accustomed, though doubling up on Sills, Barrow had done their homework. Stevens, I felt, added some urgency to our play toward the end of the half, but it was clear we would get noothing from the game unless we upped it considerably in the second half.
And up it we did. Wroe came in to the game a lot more in the second period and some of his link up play with Carlisle and Stevens was of high quality, and as my two driveshare companions, ealinggull and ChrisH also felt, he covered practically every blade of grass, manfully assisted by Hargreaves who, as well as taking the goal extremely crisply in to the keeper's bottom right corner, was putting in a very good shift. It was good that the long one to Sills now formed part of an attack where that was an option to mix it up rather than the sole outlet. Sturrock also looked lively.
That said, chances weren't exactly thick and fast for us, a couple of ooh's and aah's as the ball went in to their box with nobody on the end of it, the best chance being when McNulty put over his own bar when either side of him Carlisle and Sills might have got the nod had it been our day - were all we truly had in that second half, despite overwhelming possession.
The draw was a fair reflection of the total of the two halves. Friendly locals in the "Cross Bar", seriously poor drumming, good company, nice statue pic, a reasonable burger, dodgy motor and Burton now to stuff.
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Post by Rob on Apr 22, 2009 3:48:58 GMT
Forgot to mention. I didn't see how Bevan got injured, but by the way he gingerly walked off, I would be very surprised if he is fit for Sunday. Bar a strange punch when a catch looked the best option, Poke was solid as ever, pulling off one half decent save from a bullet low shot from 25 yards to his bottom left.
Some very lazy ratings, mainly based on second half performances, bar Dsane.
Bevan 6.5/Poke 6.5 Robertson 6 (He's not a right back - I know you know that!) Todd 6 Hodges 6 (thought Ellis was the right substitution to switch to more 3-5-2 and he looked good when he came on) Nicholson 7 Carlisle 7 Wroe 7.5 Hargreaves 7 Dsane 5/Stevens 7 Sills 6 Sturrock 6.5
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Post by chrish on Apr 22, 2009 12:59:45 GMT
Shattered having returned an hour ago though unable to sleep, I'll keep it brief. Barrow were by far the better side in the first half looking extremely dangerous with their two very mobile centre-forwards. Time and again they broke away down our left and I suspect that, rather than a knock, was the reason for Dsane's early departure and the switching of Carlisle to the left - incidentally where he had started the game before switching after 10. Most of our attacking play in that half was of the tried and trusted variety to which we have become accustomed, though doubling up on Sills, Barrow had done their homework. Stevens, I felt, added some urgency to our play toward the end of the half, but it was clear we would get noothing from the game unless we upped it considerably in the second half. And up it we did. Wroe came in to the game a lot more in the second period and some of his link up play with Carlisle and Stevens was of high quality, and as my two driveshare companions, ealinggull and ChrisH also felt, he covered practically every blade of grass, manfully assisted by Hargreaves who, as well as taking the goal extremely crisply in to the keeper's bottom right corner, was putting in a very good shift. It was good that the long one to Sills now formed part of an attack where that was an option to mix it up rather than the sole outlet. Sturrock also looked lively. That said, chances weren't exactly thick and fast for us, a couple of ooh's and aah's as the ball went in to their box with nobody on the end of it, the best chance being when McNulty put over his own bar when either side of him Carlisle and Sills might have got the nod had it been our day - were all we truly had in that second half, despite overwhelming possession. The draw was a fair reflection of the total of the two halves. Friendly locals in the "Cross Bar", seriously poor drumming, good company, nice statue pic, a reasonable burger, dodgy motor and Burton now to stuff. That'll be the Giant Cadbury's buttons then Rob!! Insomnia through Cadbury's. Bloody Brummies. A very nice club to visit. The people were very friendly. Some of our lot (the dickheads) haven't quite worked out this non segregation malarky just yet. Boys. The idea is to watch the game and have a bit of banter with a set of fans who might see the game a little differently than yourselves. Swearing at and abusing home fans in their own ground when there isn't segregation isn't really the done thing. I can't really expand that much on Rob's report other than to say that it was a much better second half performance than the first half when we were dragged all over the place by their mobile front two pairing. I heard two stunning quotes during the game from Torquay "fans". One shouted to Tim Sills "Sills, you're too old and too slow, f**k off" and another said "with any luck we'll be rid of Buckle by Monday". Quality stuff. All of them should be eating leaves on a misty Rwandan hill rather than be allowed to watch football. Anyway here are a few pictures of last night's outing! Starting with breaking a local by-law by defacing the Laurel and Hardy Statue in the nearby town of Ulverston.
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Post by ospelgull on Apr 22, 2009 13:36:06 GMT
Chris, excellent pictures, again! This one was very high on my "groundslist" this season. Maybe next season...
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Post by merse on Apr 22, 2009 16:11:24 GMT
All of them should be eating leaves on a misty Rwandan hill rather than be allowed to watch football. I don't think for a minute that they would have the intelligence to survive like that, how would such sub primates know which leaves are nutritious and which ones are not?....................two weeks without a MacDonalds and they'd be stuffed! ;D Funny to see McHeavily named as a sub last night...................in Barrow In Furness of all places. Was there a member of the Royal Family on hand to smash a bottle of Champagne over him had the manager wanted to "launch him" last night or was the reason he wasn't utilised because they could only get the "Royle Family" and a bottle of Brown Ale?
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Post by chrish on Apr 22, 2009 16:43:57 GMT
Ah yes McEvilly. What a complete oaf. He tried a little time wasting at the end whilst "warming up" on the sidelines. He casually held the ball out for Nicholson to take a throw in whilst walking away from him. I shouted over "Well done McEvilly, very f**king clever" and the Barrow fan behind me laughed and said "that's the most he's done since he's been here". I bet Mark Ellis was itching to get a crack at him, after that scouse prick head-butted him earlier in the season.
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Post by Dave on Apr 22, 2009 20:47:53 GMT
Thanks for the great pictures Chris, I really must learn to make better use of the settings I have on my camera. Before I went digital I used a Minolta 7000 a real camera.When I first went to digital I just bought a small basic cannon point and shoot one.
The photographer in me wanted better and I went to a Fuji 7000 and then to the one I have now the Fuji 9500. The problem is I have got lazy and just leave it in program mode. That is the reason some shots I took at Ants game were a bit burred due to a slower shutter speed than what was needed for action shots.
Looking at the ground makes you understand why we need to get back into the football league, I'm sure it might be a pleasant ground to visit, but when you think of the grounds we used to play in, then you have to ask do we really belong in the league, the answer has to be a big no for me.
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Post by petergodfrey on Apr 23, 2009 0:38:59 GMT
Agree with other match reports - Barrow were really up for it in the first half, were in our faces and wouldn't let us settle. They could have had more goals. having said that we had a few chances early doors but our shooting was wild, couldn't keep the ball down. Once we'd equalized I felt sure we would go on and win it. for both goals the ball fell kindly for the attacking sides but for all our increased dominance as the second half went on it wouldn't quite fall for us again. The centre of their defence looked ponderous and clumsy in possession to me, ideal for someone like Green on a good day. I thought Todd had a good game again, as did Hargreaves and Wroe. Stevens did ok when he came on and gave them some problems. A bit nostalgic, going to Holker street, which doesn't seem to have changed much from their league days, a bit like Southport's Haigh Avenue. Good club, though - friendly welcome ( I was asked to move my car from the Officials' area just as Gulls team bus arrived !). I'm glad they are going to survive - I'm afraid I might be paying them another visit next year ! Oxford will surely beat Northwich, Kiddie to beat Kettering and Stevenage to get a point at Mansfield. So can we beat Burton with our home record ? Undoubtedly we can when at our best and with a rub of the green. Burton will surely be out for some revenge but only need a point and don't need to go gung-ho. I shall be at a christening in Sheffield Sunday a.m. but not sure my nerves will stand finding a Setanta pub in the afternoon. p.s. I have already voted for Nicho for POTY. The way that guy has got down to the job this season after being omitted, undeservedly some might say, at the start of the season has really impressed me. Sorry I've not left any breathing spaces Dave - just back from Saw Doctors gig in Buxton and its 1.40 a.m. !
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Post by Dave on Apr 23, 2009 5:26:57 GMT
Peter I would rather have views posted without breathing spaces than not having views at all
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Post by dazgull on Apr 23, 2009 10:25:12 GMT
We were very poor in first half and just seemed to be going through the motions with only a few players puuting much effort in. No surprise when they scored although it should have been stopped much earlier by tackling them it was a tad fortunate when Todds clearance struck their player and landed very kindly to the other forward who easily scored.
We had two chances in first half and both missed the target. It seems with Sills at the moment every time he has a chance with his feet he is scuffing his shots. Didnt really put himself about and obviously not happy about being double marked.
As soon as the halftime whistle went we returned to the bar for a much needed pint and Barrow fans were elated with what was going on and all agreed we were pants. On returning for the second half I stopped for a pee, big mistake! I walked out of the door and walked up the path to the end we were to here over the tannoy "Torquays scorer is.....". Cue plenty of bad language for me, piss taking from Cav and Barrow fans stood around us (700 mile round trip and missed the goal!!).
We had much more of the play in the second half but with only Stevens with any pace we didnt have enough to hurt them. Needed Carayol or Green (apparently another row with Bucks) would have probably been too much for them.
Their pace up front was too much for our slow defence too and Ellis made a big difference when he came on. So a draw a fair result and congrats to them on staying up. On the night they chased us all over the pitch and defended for their lives in getting a result. The ground maybe nothing special but their support was first class and good banter had with them before and during the game. Didnt chat to them after as it was get on the coach and get out quick. A 45 minute delay on the M6 for roadworks didnt help and I jumped off the bus at 5.15 and no I didnt work yesterday...
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Post by tufc01 on Apr 23, 2009 11:28:28 GMT
Those who are continuing to support the manager are perfectly correct to do so at this stage of the season, and there is most definitely no case for saying that he should be dismissed because of the habitual poor end-of-season run. However, based on what I have seen in the recent games versus Kettering (albeit a good win), Crawley and [glow=yellow,2,300]Salisbury[/glow], our style of play has become even more one-dimensional and predictable than it was earlier in the season. [glow=yellow,2,300]There is logically one person responsible for that[/glow], and I have to say that his tactical knowledge and ideas are really very limited. I know that he is a comparative novice and should receive both time and encouragement to learn, but that is of little consolation when it appears that we are about to fail again. We may well beat Burton comfortably on Sunday if it can be believed, as many do, that they will fall apart out of sheer nerves and desperation after being so far ahead in the table. [glow=yellow,2,300]With the players at our disposal[/glow], though, it should never have come to this. Yes, I know that the manager is the one who has assembled them, and fair play to him for that. Sadly, he seems to have little idea how to use them to the best advantage. Thats where there appears to be some confusion, and why some people are wrongly blaming everything on Paul Buckle. You rightly mention "Players at our disposal". Players who we have managed to get in to do the job at this level. Sillsy is a quality example of this. Unable to cut the mustard in previous attempts at League 2, however can probably be seen as one of the top strikers at this level. Therefore Paul Buckle has done a tremendous job in getting Sills to the club in the first place and in getting him to extend his contract. Sills has done his job for the most part of the season with 20 odd goals. Bucks has quite rightly picked him just about every game and he has delivered the goods, ie goals, in many games and provided numerous assists in others. However there have been games quite recently when he, and several others, have missed glorious opportunities to score which could and perhaps should have won us the game. This in the end is one of the reasons why we are in the position we are in. So to say there is one person responsible for that is wrong, in my view. Buckle has selected a good squad and if those players let him down at times then he can hardly be responsible for that. I know you will argue that he brought them in in the first place, but we have to remember what league we are in, we cant get Ryan Giggs, or even Stuart Fleetwood, we can only get those who would be willing to play in our league and for that he has assembled a good squad. He has made substitutions and changed the line up on several occasions, but some and some of these players have failed to deliver the goods, Green is the perfect example of this. He shows that he has potential and some argue that he should start more etc, but when he has started, or come on he hasn't quite lived up to expectations. You yourself mentioned the Salisbury game. How the manager can take any responsibility for not winning that game is beyond me. 3 penalties awarded and an example of very poor defending from a normally reliable defender. The responsibility for that remains firmly on the players shoulders.
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Post by merse on Apr 23, 2009 14:21:39 GMT
As soon as the halftime whistle went we returned to the bar for a much needed pint and Barrow fans were elated with what was going on and all agreed we were pants. On returning for the second half I stopped for a pee, big mistake! I walked out of the door and walked up the path to the end we were to here over the tannoy "Torquays scorer is.....". Cue plenty of bad language for me, piss taking from Cav and Barrow fans stood around us ( 700 mile round trip and missed the goal!!). To do that you must be some sort of idiot mate...............if drinking beer takes priority over seeing a match properly you're obviously so committed and so loyal to go all that way to watch, spend a lot of money and time on; then to miss our only goal of the game must rank with shitting in your own bath.....................silly, silly boy!
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