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Post by jond on Sept 7, 2008 14:18:20 GMT
"they're not winning the second ball, that will worry Paul Buckle"
Not for much longer it won't, someone else maybe, but not Paul Buckle.
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Post by bhamgull on Sept 7, 2008 14:35:17 GMT
at least it sounds like buckle has uncovered a brilliant right back....or not?
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Post by merse on Sept 7, 2008 14:59:17 GMT
Respect and gratitude to Tim Sills - that was pressure and THAT was stepping up to the plate and delivering the goods................well done Sillsy!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2008 15:04:33 GMT
a get out of jail card for buckle three point badly needed but it did not sound all that good against a side who are at the bottom.
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Post by bitemebryn on Sept 7, 2008 15:14:36 GMT
I don't know if you can class that as a get out of jail free card. For me there was no improvement on our resent games. 3 points is 3 points, but I was hoping for a bit more than a last gasp penalty, and by the sound of it Vics should have had one earlier on. Relieved about getting the win, not at all pleased that the current climate of poor finishing and lack of composure at the back is still very much in force.
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Post by romfordkev on Sept 7, 2008 15:21:59 GMT
And so the Northwich Victoria fans are left to rue their team's missed chances at a blustery Plainmoor. Now, they face the long, pointless, journey back to Cheshire........ THEY SHOULD BE HOME BY THURSDAY!!!
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Post by Swanny on Sept 7, 2008 16:24:10 GMT
Ok so we did win and I am naturally pleased with that. But our second half performance was so dire we scarcely desrerved the win, and if you think this result will kick-start our season, forget it. Crowd 1,700+, nearly 50 from Northwich, sponsors MOTH Mansell.
I entered the ground about 20 minutes from kick-off to the sight of just small pockets of supporters in the home end. The crowd who did turn up were obviously your hardy sort from both teams, and at least they made some decent noise and colour. I liked today's line-up trying Benyon and Green up front.
The first 10 minutes we were very good, well on top forcing plenty of corners and playing well as a team. Carlisle scored after 10 minutes showing neat control and finishing from close range following a free-kick. Northwich had a couple of half chances in the first half and did play some nice stuff at times, but Torquay were the better team and deserved their half-time lead.
Before the second half began I said that the second half will tell us a lot about the team. Either they will go on to win convincingly or they would struggle. Unfortunately the latter happened. At half time Woods went off with an injury, on came Thompson at right-back (remember Crawley ?), with Robertson now in central defence with Ellis. Crispygull did warn me that in the past, Ellis and Roberstson in central defence together struggled badly, and so it happened again today.
Northwich came out the traps brightly in the second half and took the game to Torquay and our defence was all at sea ! Ellis clumsily chested the ball on the edge of the area into the path of an attacker, who wasted a great chance clean through. Then a couple of minutes later our defence was sliced open, our right-back was missing, and Northwich easily scored from close range.
Our first half promise had gone out the window and we were quite simply a mess all over the pitch. Sills came on for Green and it was clear what that would mean. No more decent football, just hit and hope football and it was horrible to watch. Sills did find himself in the clear on the right, passed the ball over to Benyon but Benyon did not make good contact and a defender just got enough on the ball for a corner. A golden chance went begging.
Thompson was shocking at right-back and later in the second half he swapped with Mansell. Saying that Thompson was not much better in midfield. Stevens came on for the impressive Carayol as per usual. But our play was getting more and more desperate and Northwich were a threat at times, and did play some decent football in the second half. Then in the 5th. minute of added time a ball was launched in, a defender was adjudged to have held back Benyon according to the linesman, and the referee pointed to the penalty spot, and the Northwich defender was sent off. An excellent finish by Sills into the top corner ! Seconds later the final whistle blew and the team was cheered off.
What did I do ? I could hardly get myself to clap such was the shambolic second half performance I had just witnessed. I ended up just shaking my head. Yes I was pleased we won, the penalty decision did not look too clear-cut to me although the offence may have been on my blind side. However the truth is we did not deserve the winner and we were absolutely shocking in the second half, not fit for professional football.
So many stray passes and just hit and hope football the longer the game went on. For example Carlisle. Well done to him for actually scoring (our joint top scorer), but the number of times he overhit the ball when he had the chance to make a decent cross. And he is our right winger who should be capable of crossing a ball onto someones head. Carayol on the otherhand worked really hard and used his pace to great effect on the left wing. He seems to be the only success strory of the new signings.
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Post by andygulls on Sept 7, 2008 16:55:58 GMT
Excellent report Swangull No need to add much other than Northwich had what to me looked like 2 cast iron penalty shouts waved off by the ref. The first for a foul in the box the second for a definite handball by Hodges when he went to ground. Northwich will justifiably feel hard done by. Buckle for me survives only because of a dodgy ref...but then that's football luck sometimes
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Post by merse on Sept 7, 2008 17:24:36 GMT
Excellent report Swangull Buckle for me survives only because of a dodgy ref...but then that's football luck sometimes Yupp, if the luck had gone our way at Wembley; we and not Col U would have won the play off final and we might have kept Kevin Hodges IF the biggest word in football!
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Post by tufc01 on Sept 7, 2008 17:39:30 GMT
Good report Swangull, you pretty much nailed it spot on.
Not sure the Northwich defender was sent off, i think it was Dino Maamaria, their manager who was asked to leave or he decided to leave on his own accord.
I also don't think you did the first half justice, the doomsdayers who didn't go, will think we were bad all game when in reality we were very good in the first half and appallingly bad in the second half.
I also think that our penalty was a dead cert pen, mind you so was one of their claims.
I also think we deserved the win, after all they had a 15 minute period at the start of the second half when they were on top but other than that they were not that good. We should have been 2 or 3 up by halftime.
I still think Buckle is the right man for the job, at the moment, so i hope that Woods going off was because he was injured and NOT a tactical substitution, because that performance by Thompson at Right Back was about the worst i have ever seen from someone in a Torquay shirt, woeful, at fault for the goal and the other clear cut chance they had. I NEVER EVER want to see him back there again. I think this is the reason for our poor second half performance, we lost our shape, then our confidence. Ellis with woods or Todd looks good, Ellis with Robertson doesn't, just like last season. We looked much better when Mansell was at RB.
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Post by merse on Sept 7, 2008 17:59:20 GMT
Not sure the Northwich defender was sent off, i think it was Dino Maamaria, their manager who was asked to leave or he decided to leave on his own accord. i hope that Woods going off was because he was injured and NOT a tactical substitution The BBC Devon information was that Woods went off with a groin strain and that the only dismissal was Dino Maamria, whilst the Northwich defender who conceded the penalty was cautioned. Not that I would hold what anyone on BBC Devon said with any seriousness normally, but today both the commentator and summariser were very good, informative and kept to their primary purpose i.e. one commentating and one summarising!
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Post by capitalgull on Sept 7, 2008 18:18:26 GMT
The first half was okay to a point, and we played a little better football, but we didn't ram home the advantage we had in terms of quality - for what it was - and at the end of the day the dour final 15 minutes of the first half, plus Woods' disappearance through injury, caused the shocking start to the second-half.
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Post by Dave on Sept 7, 2008 18:23:04 GMT
Some good reports on here already, so I will only give my views and not a match report as such. It was OK in the first half, nothing to get carried away with, as you must not forget who we were playing.
Second half pure rubbish, I wish I did not have to say that, we got lucky in the end and got three points. Sometimes you earn your luck, but that was not the case today.
I fear the next three matches now, I have seen nothing that I can take forward as any sign, that we will get anything out of those three games. I find it strange today, our last game we did not win, yet most seemed fine about it,they felt the team put in plenty of effort. Today we did win and most seem unhappy. Its a funny old world. ;D
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Post by rjdgull on Sept 7, 2008 19:48:47 GMT
I think when we play poorly against a poor team as we did in the second half then this falls well below fans expectations and does not bode well for the future. Also, due to this poor start, it is clear that the players confidence is very low. A case in point is that in the second half Sills was clear on goal in a similar position to Carlisle when he scored the second goal against Woking. Instead of burying the ball in the net he passes it to Benyon who is being closed down by two defenders. (At least he redeemed himself with the penalty) It could be argued that we deserved the win against York last week and not today so maybe these things do even themselves out. The positive I would take is that we are not travelling to Cambridge on the back of a five game winless run and hey - the expectation should not be too great up there so maybe with the pressure off we could put a decent performance in for the whole ninety minutes and then anything is possible.
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Post by tufc01 on Sept 7, 2008 20:18:53 GMT
. Also, due to this poor start, it [glow=yellow,2,300]is clear that the players confidence is very low.[/glow] [glow=yellow,2,300]A case in point is that in the second half Sills was clear on goal in a similar position to Carlisle when he scored the second goal against Woking. Instead of burying the ball in the net he passes it to Benyon[/glow] who is being closed down by two defenders. (At least he redeemed himself with the penalty) Absolutely spot on. Sills confidence in front of goal isn't that high at the moment, even less so after being dropped to the bench i would imagine, and just before the pass you are referring to, he had a shot from 4 yards out which he blazed over the bar, then when he found himself in a similar position 5 minutes later, he bottled it ( a bit harsh after the nerve he showed taking the penalty) when he should have taken the shot. An in form forward who has the confidence is never going to square it when finding himself in a one on one 4 yards from goal.
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