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Post by sam on Jul 14, 2009 23:38:36 GMT
Was there a programme for the Taunton v. Penzance game. I think that entry into the FA cup meant that participating teams had to produce programmes. Was this a third game on neutral ground. I have the Birmingham City programme but would put it on but not sure how to do it. Will work it out. And Barton, didn't Plymouth City transpose into Louis International (Louis Boutique) who played at Pennycross. This has absolutely nothing to do with football but when St.Ives and Bude played one another in the Cornish Squash League, they used to meet up halfway at Newquay Squash Club twice a season because the travelling along the tortuous A39 was terrible. I only mention this because of the Taunton/Penzance meeting. Quite an interesting parallel don't you think.
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Post by merse on Jul 15, 2009 3:27:05 GMT
The visit of the Pussycat Club would have really got the pulses racing down at Wadebridge. That's right..................they'd have been clutching their non conformist bibles behind twitching lace curtains when those boys rode into town! I do seem to recall "Louise Boutique" as well ~ were they the same club? Pennycross was a right dump, with speedway and stock car paraphernalia all over the place and the smallest, bumpiest pitch you ever did see "Stadium" is an often mis-used word when it comes to some football grounds.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 6:25:50 GMT
didn't Plymouth City transpose into Louis International (Louis Boutique) who played at Pennycross. Merse makes this point as well and I think there was a link - of some sorts - between Plymouth City and Louis Boutique/International. However I'm not sure if it was one continuous club or two attempts (involving the same people?) at a similar venture - namely establishing a second club of some standing in Plymouth. Looking at the records, Plymouth City had a single season in the one-division Western League in 1970/71 (alongside our reserves) when they finished 7th. I believe this was quite an ambitious effort with a few ex-Argyle "names" in the team. The project was short-lived largely because Pennycross was sold for housing almost straightaway (being demolished in 1972). More about Pennycross at www.plymouthdata.info/PennycrossStadium.htmLouis International played in the South Western League from 1975 to 1980. A quick Google search suggests they played at the Brickfields, now a sports complex and home to Plymouth Albion RFC (which moved there from Beacon Park which, in turn, was close to Pennycross - sports grounds of Plymouth thread, anybody?). Now, thirty odd years later, Plymouth Parkway has emerged from the pack as the city's second club playing their games at Bolitho Park near Crownhill. And they started life as Ex-Air Flyers....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 8:16:17 GMT
Was there a programme for the Taunton v. Penzance game. I think that entry into the FA cup meant that participating teams had to produce programmes. Was this a third game on neutral ground. Yes, after a 1-1 draw at Penzance and a 3-3 at Taunton. Taunton, for their pains, then lost 7-1 to Bideford in the next round. Richard Rundle - who does www.fchd.info - certainly hasn't picked up the venue for the second replay (not that he misses much).
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Post by merse on Jul 15, 2009 15:18:24 GMT
Looking at the records, Plymouth City had a single season in the one-division Western League in 1970/71 (alongside our reserves) when they finished 7th. If they didn't play in the SW League prior to that they would have been in the Plymouth & District League and Newton Spurs would have been down there in a Devon Premier (or Senior) Cup Tie. Maybe there were some former Argyle players in that team but the one who stood out was a pint sized little guy called Johhny Higgins who later played for Torquay United in the Western League team. In "my day" it was Plymouth Command (a combined services side drawn from the various military bases and the citadel) who played at The Brickfields, although I never had the dubious pleasure of playing against them. I say "dubious" as they were very fit and extremely physical!
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Post by phipsy on Jul 15, 2009 16:14:34 GMT
i was at the first floodlit game in 1954v birmingham and we lost 2-3. bill hayes was in goal and wore a white top,presumably to show up in those dim lights. i have never heard the story relating to the "a" team having a game there previously. thats not to say it didn,t happen because i,m sure the a team was formed by then. I was also at the stan matthews blackburn game, the great man didn,t exert himself that night. there followed another friendly floodlit game that season i believe against middlesborough. that featured one of the few black players playing in england at the time, a left winger called lindy delapena and the keeper was an italian named rolando ugolini.
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Post by Jon on Jul 16, 2009 22:28:30 GMT
These dubious Plymouth sides stacked up a few county cups -
Pussycat Club won the Intermediate Cup in 1969 Plymouth City the Senior Cup in 1970 Louis Boutique won the Sunday Cup in 1972 Louis International won the Sunday Cup in 1974 and 1975
1969-70 season was the first for the Premier Cup, won by Dawlish, so I suppose the Senior Cup win is only really the equivalent, more or less, of the previous season's intermediate cup, isn't it?
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Post by merse on Jul 17, 2009 3:26:14 GMT
1969-70 season was the first for the Premier Cup, won by Dawlish, so I suppose the Senior Cup win is only really the equivalent, more or less, of the previous season's intermediate cup, isn't it? As far as I recall, when the Premier Cup was brought into being the Senior club was relegated in status to a secondary level. Until then, the "Senior" had been the Premier competition but only open to clubs in the top divisions of the North Devon, South Devon Leagues, Devon & Exeter and Plymouth & District Leagues. Clubs who played above that level had to enter their reserves and this applied to clubs like Newton Spurs, Bideford, Barnstaple and St Lukes College. Dawlish were an Exeter & District League club at the time, as were Exmouth and Tiverton. It became so that Bideford and Barnstaple joined Torquay, Plymouth and Exeter in the Devon Professional Challenge Bowl, Newton Spurs played with clubs like Exmouth, Tiverton, St Lukes College, Kingsteignton and Upton Athletic and Dawlish in the Premier Cup; whilst their reserves battled it out for the Senior Cup. Remember, that in order to enter the FA Cup (as clubs like Bideford, Barnstaple and Newton Spurs did) did just like the three Football League clubs, clubs HAD to enter their most senior available County Cup competition....................and that applies to this day. The Premier Cup was thus created to allow such teams to play their First Teams in a county cup competition just as they could in most other counties. This led to the situation at Newton Spurs where the first team played in the new Premier Cup and the reserves in the Senior Cup. Such games were usually embarrassing as we habitually seemed to lose against such raggy arsed set ups like Upton Athletic, Kingsteignton Athletic (6-1 once I recall!) and Bovey Tracey.................the manager, (Bill Anderson) didn't really welcome involvement in these games and habitually let loose young scrotes such as me in the team for a game! I remember once he became entangled in a prolonged argument with the Committee over such a policy and so he sent the "reserves" including me down to Nanpean to fulfil a South Western League fixture which we lost 6-0 to an awful side who were bottom of the league whilst the "First Team" got tanked by Upton Athletic at home in the County Cup........................I don't think the Committee bothered the manager over such matters again after that! At some stage in more recent history the Devon Professional Bowl and The Premier Cup must have merged into the present day "St Lukes College" thingy......................it would need a historian of more recent domesticity in Devon to explain this to us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2009 6:48:44 GMT
It was the original St Luke’s Cup, a competition for Devon’s Western League clubs, which merged with the Professional Bowl (then in one of its dormant spells) to create the current competition. The old St Luke’s ran from the early 1980s until mid 1990s; the merged revamped tournament - in which Torquay United competes - dates from around 1997 (give or take a year). Effectively the new competition was designed for all Devon clubs at Western League level and above.
The Devon Premier Cup continued as a sub-Western League tournament for clubs from the relatively-new Devon County League (established 1992), the South Western League and the top clubs from the county’s four district leagues.
This situation continued until 2007 when the Devon County League was subsumed into the new South West Peninsula League. Given the SWPL’s Premier Division is at the same level as Western League Division One, its clubs were then invited into the St Luke’s competition (Buckland, Dartmouth, Cullompton, etc, etc).
This means the Devon Premier Cup is now for the SWPL’s lower division clubs plus the top levels of the district leagues. Indeed, last season, it was won by Boca Seniors of the North Devon League.
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Post by Jon on Jul 17, 2009 12:22:08 GMT
the merged revamped tournament - in which Torquay United competes - dates from around 1997 (give or take a year). Yes it was 1997. In 1996/97, it was just us and Exeter in the last old Bowl. They beat us over two legs - Wayne Thomas playing in goal for most of the home leg. Argyle didn't enter. 1997/98 was the first merged competition. We beat Exeter in the final a few days after that Orient game. It should have been a welcome home promotion party, but it wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 17:11:35 GMT
There's a few items in today's Sunday Independent which tie in with some of the topics discussed on this thread. Firstly, the draw for this season's Devon Premier Cup in which you'll see how the "big boys" from the SWPL have been given exemption until Round 2. Also note how it's not regionalised throwing up such intercontinental ties as Combe Martin v Waldon Athletic: Secondly, the draw for the first round of the Devon St Luke's Bowl (is it just me or can't people make up their minds whether it's a Bowl or Cup these days? The Devon FA's site actually says it's a Cup). Either way, are changes afoot for this year's tournament? The Indy recently appeared to report - it was a bit confused to be honest - that players with contracts won't be eligible for this year's competition. That surprised me - and didn't make too much sense - so I'm not sure if it's correct. And here's something for Jon and a reminder of the strength of the Exeter and (East) Devon League in the days before any Devon club played in the Western League. Those are all 1st XIs and you'll see good old Newton Spurs riding high. Is that other Newton team from Newton Abbot or Newton St Cyres? I understand - from a well-informed source - that Newton Abbot Spurs are on the verge of installing floodlights and expect to have them in operation during the 2009/2010 season. Meanwhile, the Sunday Independent also reports Helen Chamberlain now has red hair and that Hookhills United of Paignton plan to " do a Buckland" by finding a ground to develop in order to progress to the SWPL.
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Post by merse on Jul 19, 2009 18:31:30 GMT
And here's something for Jon and a reminder of the strength of the Exeter and (East) Devon League in the days before any Devon club played in the Western League. Those are all 1st XIs and you'll see good old Newton Spurs riding high. Is that other Newton team from Newton Abbot or Newton St Cyres? I understand - from a well-informed source - that Newton Abbot Spurs are on the verge of installing floodlights and expect to have them in operation during the 2009/2010 season. I think you'll find that's Newton Corinthians Barty. My father played for them and they were based at Bakers Park in the days when there was only one pitch there, the one that runs parrallel with the River Lemon and they had their dressing rooms and club house in the old Nisen Hut type building alongside.Newton Spurs did in fact have floodlights at the old Newton Rec before it was re-configured........................except they were never erected but laid in the weeds until they were sold on to the Stock Car circuit on the racecourse in the late sixties. They were either the old redundant ones from Plainmoor or St James' Park (not the real one) so they can't have been much use!
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Post by Dave on Aug 13, 2009 14:55:43 GMT
This was in todays Plainmoor Diary in the Herald Express.its claimed this shot was taken in 1955.
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Post by Dave on Sept 17, 2009 19:34:14 GMT
These pictures were in tonights Herald and answers the question did the players train at Cricketfield Road in the 50's. I take it in the second picture that the floodlights that are stated are new, are the ones that were not good enough and replaced a few years later?
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Post by Budleigh on Nov 14, 2009 15:05:57 GMT
Here's the programme for that first Torbay Herald Cup win for United in 1958... The first of four, the others being the three in a row from 1962/63 until 1964/65... I'll also pop this into the new programme area. Then, possibly even more interesting is this match, a Torquay United XI v a South Devon League XI, played under lights at 7 o'clock on the 22nd November 1955, in aid of amateur player R. Mayes, who broke a leg in a match. With a certain E. Pym playing for St. Marychurch before his move to United. Note that the lower portion advertises the next floodlit match, the game against Middlesbrough on the following week, the 28th November. (I'll put this one in the programme area as well....)
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