Tatty-bye.

Reading such remarks aimed at me I wonder why I even bothered to provide what I believe is a better forum. It makes me ask myself should I give so much of my time for free, if people who do not even know me can hold such views about me.

A hypocrite is one thing I'm not, I was the first one to put my hand up and say I have been as guilty as anyone on here for remarks I made when I should have known better.

When all you hear is people won't post because of some of the personal attacks that have been made, you have to ask is really that the way a forum should be, is only any good if you can come on it and read people sniping and being as rude as they can to each other.

I suspect this has more to do with davethegull asking you to stream illegally the gullsworld match commentary through Yahoo and the views Merse has posted about it.

At the end of the day I'm only trying to make the forum a better and happier place, where we can debate without the need for personal attacks, if that is the wrong way to go and if people only want a forum that has blood and guts all over the walls from the last big fight, this forum will then just die. I will then simply delete it and look back and say at least I gave it my best shot, but I got it wrong and a forum can only be a place where values, friendships, people having respect for each other, really don't belong.

Dave R

It is not a question of taking it to heart merse, rather a case of asking myself what really is the point. The opening post on this thread would have been deleted elsewhere, you would have been told to PM only such remarks aimed at the person who ran the forum.

I gave up the other forum because my posts were deleted, because I was so often gagged and even more so if my points won the argument. I was not proud to belong to a forum that took every opportunity to attack the very football club it claimed to support, a forum the club were looking at taking legal action against.

I hold the views that the TFF while remaining an independent forum should not be afraid to form a good relationship with the club, we are meant to be supporters after all, I believe a forum should be a place where fans can post their views without fear of being belittled or their views rubbished.

Just because that is the way it has always been on TUFC forums, does not mean it’s the way it should be, it does not mean the TFF should not look to make this forum a better and more welcoming place, where we can share our views in the proper way adults should.

It is only when people are losing their argument that they so often then look to make personal attacks on others, why they can’t just admit they were wrong, or maybe the other person made more sense and might even be right, I’ll never know.

One thing I have learned is, its near impossible for me to post on this forum as Dave R. the member I wanted to be really can’t happen in the way I thought it could, I do become a target so often just because I do own and run the forum, that I find sad and. I have decided for now I will just do what is necessary to keep the forum running.

Dave, you are pissing in the wind if you think you can please everyone mate. If you let people like merse and me on here it's gonna get like this sometimes. A lot of this is just bluff and bluster. Get us in a pub and it's just friendly disagreement, it only "sounds" worse when it's written.

Thanks for your post alpinejoe, after a week at work when I did all I could, but failed to get in the work my boss would have liked, I took great heart from what I was able to achieve this week for the forum. Getting our own two page match day programme feature, was the icing on the cake.

To wake up and find someone at 2am wrote a post to attack me, felt like having a knife stuck in my back. I did talk today with someone who so often helps me and they did say that at least what I was trying to do for the good of the forum was done with all the right motives.

I have always tried to hard to please everyone, it was often the big mistake Davybeat made, but its who I am and how I work, I think I would find it too hard to change that at my age.

Great Leigh I shall look forward to reading it, don't worry I'm sure you will aways be spoiled with good posts to pick from. Just one thing, do you think we should just put up the user names who's posts will appear in the programme?

Maybe if you were aware of a few facts, then you might see things from a different angle, I did not claim a discount was immoral, only unfair to fans who are not members of the TUST, I will say that the TUST should find better ways to try and get people to join it and there I will rest my case.

I forgot to say last time, but there is no need for you to post a link to the TUST page in replies to my posts, I have a button on the welcome bar that goes to it all on its own

Forgot to add one thing Jon, Lou had better hope non trust members do go to this event, only just over £2 will be made for the TUST by any members that do attend, it would be such a shame if say only 30 members supported her event.

That would be only about £60 made, hardly worth the players giving up their evening for in my view