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Post by Dave on Aug 26, 2008 21:18:45 GMT
As I was not at the game I can't really comment on it, but what I would say is that I fail to understand why Stevens does come on the left side, I think he is much better on the right. Carlisle so far has really disappointed me. What has happened to the guy who played against us last season.
Unlike some of you great football brains on here, I don't know why, Is it just the style of our game, that is not suited to his? was city's style completely different. If the answers are yes, should we not be looking to play a style that is better suited to the players we have.
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Post by petef on Aug 26, 2008 22:05:50 GMT
As I was not at the game I can't really comment on it, but what I would say is that I fail to understand why Stevens does come on the left side, I think he is much better on the right. Carlisle so far has really disappointed me. What has happened to the guy who played against us last season. Unlike some of you great football brains on here, I don't know why, Is it just the style of our game, that is not suited to his? was city's style completely different. If the answers are yes, should we not be looking to play a style that is better suited to the players we have. Dave, Its very typical, signing a player that has performed well against us and impressed the manager only for us to sign him and then look pretty average. Those strikes against us were probably the highlight of his last three seasons! Maybe that's why Tidsdale rarely considered him and maybe is a better judge than Buckle. At any level you need players who give consistent perfomances, players such as Hilly and even Hockers to a point, were for us. You always knew what you were going to get even if it wasn't great in the skill/flair dept. Carlisle doesnt come into that category for whatever reason and is probably why he has floundered around at this level for so long. It can be turned around just look at how inconsistent David Graham was until he had the right manager motivating him.(20 fags for every goal) ;D And I don't of think its anything to do with style that's just the easy answer and you've got to look at each player and what motivates them. One thing I would add and that's all the slagging off and booing of players from the stands after giving 100% will not inspire them to give 110% in the next game. Carlisle isn't a supporter he earns a living as does Green, Wroe etc etc. Hilly on the other hand had yellow and blue running through his veins sadly that era has come to an end. Nuf sed.  |
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Post by Dave on Aug 26, 2008 22:12:55 GMT
Thanks Pete, reading that has made good sense to me, can I ask why you are here do you have a brother called Alan, who also went to Highweek boys
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Post by tufc01 on Aug 26, 2008 22:50:03 GMT
It's not just the cutting edge we lost it was the shape of the team which had been so much better on Monday. [glow=yellow,2,300]As well as tracking back much much better than Stevens ever will, [/glow]Carayol does not always cut inside straight away. If ever there was a one-trick pony it's Stevens - you can tell what he is going to do as soon as he gets the ball these days; whether it's Buckle's instructions or a complete lack of confidence, possibly brought from playing on the wrong side of the pitch in the first place, only he could tell. On the other side, every time Carlisle got the ball in the second half, the next person in yellow to touch it was Robertson...there was zero penetration down the right, which gave Liam Feeney more chance to run at Robertson as well - it was almost as if we fancied taking on their right-back (sorry forgot his name) but didn't want to go near Matt Robinson, a left-back I have admired as a player for years when he was at Oxford. Much like Merse mentioned about the Crawley game and Sills trying to avoid Adam Quinn all the time. It just makes you wonder all the time Perhaps he was trying to sell the manager a "double dummy"!I don't think it's when the player is at the point of "exhaustion" the decision is made, I'd say it was BEFORE he gets to that point that needs spotting. Maybe Bucks had already made a decision NOT to use Carlisle on Thursday, and thus left him to battle it out to the end. Maybe he has a totally different game plan in mind for York remembering how they had "done their homework"on Wrexham for their recent Setanta match, only to be thrown into ineffectiveness when Wrexham surprised them with their lineup? With three games in six days, the need to think and plan ahead is paramount - now we MUST win on Thursday just to maintain an average of a mere point per game over this period  |
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Post by Enzo on Aug 27, 2008 7:41:49 GMT
It's not just the cutting edge we lost it was the shape of the team which had been so much better on Monday. As well as tracking back much much better than Stevens ever will, Carayol does not always cut inside straight away. If ever there was a one-trick pony it's Stevens - you can tell what he is going to do as soon as he gets the ball these days; whether it's Buckle's instructions or a complete lack of confidence, possibly brought from playing on the wrong side of the pitch in the first place, only he could tell. On the other side, every time Carlisle got the ball in the second half, the next person in yellow to touch it was Robertson...there was zero penetration down the right, which gave Liam Feeney more chance to run at Robertson as well - it was almost as if we fancied taking on their right-back (sorry forgot his name) but didn't want to go near Matt Robinson, a left-back I have admired as a player for years when he was at Oxford. Much like Merse mentioned about the [glow=red,2,300]Crawley game and Sills trying to avoid Adam Quinn all the time.[/glow] It just makes you wonder all the time! I made the point after the initial post - Sills did not avoid any Crawley player. He came on and we immediately looked a more dangerous side. I would challenge anyone to watch a video of the sceond half and argue otherwise. For the only time this season he looked up for it. Sills can and should be critisised for many things this season - this isn't one of them. Don't believe all that you read on websites! Is it not normal for a striker to try and avoid defenders anyway!!! |
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Post by petef on Aug 27, 2008 8:58:12 GMT
Thanks Pete, reading that has made good sense to me, can I ask why you are here do you have a brother called Alan, who also went to Highweek boys I do Remember an Alan - a year or two my junior and different family and he got me into trouble on occasions because of the name thats not that common in this neck of the woods. To give you an idea I am the same age as Merses brother who you may possibly know. |
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Post by Dave on Aug 27, 2008 9:59:31 GMT
Thanks Pete, reading that has made good sense to me, can I ask why you are here do you have a brother called Alan, who also went to Highweek boys I do Remember an Alan - a year or two my junior and different family and he got me into trouble on occasions because of the name thats not that common in this neck of the woods. To give you an idea I am the same age as Merses brother who you may possibly know. I'm sure Alan was in one year below me at Highweek my age is only one year older from yours, but you could have been in my year, Yes he was often trouble, maybe you could pm me who was your form teacher and mates at school. Dave R |
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Post by dodger37 on Aug 27, 2008 14:34:43 GMT
Fan from Scotland here and although i didnt make any games last season,i hope to make a few this season.
Yes its a bad start and its worse when you were tipped to do well,we just cant have another season in this league.
Here's hoping.
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Post by Dave on Aug 27, 2008 15:57:01 GMT
Hi dodger 37 welcome to the forum, hope you will be able to get to see some games this season and that the team will be performing by then, it came only get better.
Dave R
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Post by dodger37 on Aug 27, 2008 20:02:31 GMT
Hi dodger 37 welcome to the forum, hope you will be able to get to see some games this season and that the team will be performing by then, it came only get better. Dave R Cheers,you must know Steve Breed then. I know him and Russ, met them at a few games over the years. |
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Post by Dave on Aug 29, 2008 15:45:15 GMT
Hi dodger 37 welcome to the forum, hope you will be able to get to see some games this season and that the team will be performing by then, it came only get better. Dave R Cheers,you must know Steve Breed then. I know him and Russ, met them at a few games over the years. I know of him but everyone who travels on the coaches will know him well, my days of long coach trips are few and far between these days, after driving 1400 mile every week, when I get home on a Friday, I put the car away and try to keep of the roads for the weekend. |
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Post by tufc01 on Aug 30, 2008 19:40:14 GMT
Didn't hear much booiing at the end - it was more a sense of resignation I am afraid. Yes a much improved performance but &[glow=yellow,2,300]quot;unlucky" we most certainly were not.[/glow]Salisbury were awful and [glow=yellow,2,300][glow=red,2,300]Buckles ridiculous substitution of Carayol lost us the game[/glow], when it was blindingly obvious that our worst player Carlisle should have come off.[/glow]There were gasps of disbelief around the dug out when the change was made. I am afraid we just did not create enough to justufy winning the game. You are not so much a glass half empty person, more a glass completely empty. I would have to say we were VERY unlucky. We took the game to them and but for some poor finishing we would have won quite comfortably. For some people at the moment NOTHING is good enough, some have already made up their minds and no matter what happens they will want PB to go. In fact, i get the impression that some are actually hoping for more failure to make sure it happens. That sort of attitude does not serve the football club very well at all. I come from a military background and where it is instilled that when things get tough you all need to close ranks, pull together and rally the troops. So how about a bit of that. [glow=yellow,2,300]On the second point, the substitution was not ridiculous and most certainly did not cost us the game. As i said before, poor finishing cost us the game (and the almost laughable collision between Carlisle & Green summed that up). If you have ever managed a club at any level, you will know that as the home side you are going to go for the win. The first 11 get their chance from the start. If nothing has happened in the first hour then chances are that they are not going to pull it off and therefore changes are inevitable. After all you are trying to WIN the game not play out a stalemate. Once the decision is made to make a substitution, the next thing is to decide who. Because of the way the game was panning out at the time, it had to be either Carayol or Carlisle. Both were equally effective/non-effective in the second half. I feel that Carayol is a bit of a one trick pony, once the defence get the hang of him he has tended to drift out of the game, as was the case on Monday. On the flip side Carlisle was also pretty ineffective in the second half as well. Therefor it must come down to who is more likely to deliver in the final 20 minutes and on that count Carlisle will win every time for me. The ironic thing was that there were a few people grumbling about Stevens not being in the starting 11, yet when he came on he must have thought we were playing away from home as he passed to a white shirt more than a yellow one, thats when he wasn't falling over the ball. So if you want someone to blame then Blame Stevens, for failing to deliver. Buckle can take some of the blame for putting Stevens on, but you would expect the player to step up to the task, after all the starting 11 stepped up to the plate for the first time this season. The other thing i find quite amusing is that last season one of the biggest complaints aimed at Buckle was his lack of substitutions, his Plan B or C etc. Now when he tries to changes things around he gets lambasted again. See my previous comment above.[/glow] This is the first chance i have had to post since Thursdays game, so i have missed out on the how we played, what we could have done, who was to blame etc. There was one point i did want to make though; This was a post from after the SALISBURY game. A bit of De Javu i feel. A similar situation in the game, with just over an hour gone in a home game and the score 0-0, the manager wanting (needing) to win and the 11 starters not broken the deadlock. I wonder if there were groans when PB decided to make the same change - Stevens for Carayol - i wonder if some people thought that this substitution was going to 'cost us the game'. The fact that we scored within 40 odd seconds or indeed that it was Stevens himself who scored is almost irrelevant. The point is that when a game remains deadlocked after 60-70 minutes, then a manager should be looking to make changes if he wants to win the game, regardless of the booing some of the fans. I wont hold my breath for a post from Dave to say how he thought that it was an inspired substitution?? In this case the change worked, in as much as York were slow to sort out how they were going to mark the 'sub'. Although Stevens could well have been substituted himself for all the impact (or lack of it) that he had for the rest of the game. |
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Post by Dave on Aug 30, 2008 19:43:12 GMT
Post from Dave, who me  no I did not think so It must be that other Dave  |
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Post by tufc01 on Aug 30, 2008 19:56:09 GMT
Post from Dave, who me no I did not think [glow=yellow,2,300]so It must be that other Dave[/glow] Yes it was the other Dave |
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Perhaps he was trying to sell the manager a "double dummy"!
no I did not think so It must be that other Dave 