chelstongull
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Post by chelstongull on Nov 21, 2009 19:29:53 GMT
A big thank you to the Rotherham 12th man - the ref, he was no more than a strutting peacock saying "look at me I'm important".
Their first goal came from a freekick which was no more than their player falling over.
Not sure if he knew what was going on - their player 'Bet' Lynch made 3 bookable tackles (IMO) before he was booked - Wroe makes one late tackle and gets booked. This happened through out the game.
Anyway, the knob jockey aside we were mugged today, but as been said already you have to put the ball into the sack to win.
Great debut by Smith who was good at going forward, could beat players in attack, great tackler and also took the throw-ins. Nico must be gutted. Thought that Rendall could have been bought on a tad bit earlier for Sills who part from one header didn't do much.
The Rotherham 'keeper (Pops/old man/Grabdad to us on the Popside) pulled off a string of saves to keep them in the game.
All in all thought it was the best we had played all season - Dick Turpin couldn't have pulled off a better smash and grab raid.
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Post by lambethgull on Nov 21, 2009 20:31:26 GMT
From a Rotherham fan's forum (http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=450&fid=215&sty=2&act=1&mid=2123830911):
Roamin_Miller:
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Post by okeygull on Nov 21, 2009 21:08:58 GMT
A very good performance today which deserved a point at the very least. Smith had an excellent debut both defensively and going forward.
Once again it was just one of those days in front of goal. 3 brilliant saves by Warrington and a Carlisle blockbuster against the bar. You always got the feeling that Rotherham would get a chance and they duly took the opportunity that came their way.
Felt Thompson played well in midfield but felt we missed the set piece prescence of Hargreaves.
Im fed up going into work and telling city fans that we have had another set of poor officials. The linesman on the popular side didnt seem to have a clue and when he made decisons he got most of them wrong.
Chelston, its not the first time we have been involved in games where Referee Andrew Hall has had a shocker. Hes been on the list for years and Ive never seen him have a good game once. I can remember him giving every decision going to an over-zealous Cheltenham side many years ago at Whaddon Road. Im surprised hes managed to stay on the league list with his substandard officiating.
Back to the team and a good performance which hopefully bodes well for the future. We did not look a side which is one place outside of the relegation zone. Hopefully with many more performances like that we will be able to push clear of the drop.
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Post by Dave on Nov 21, 2009 21:33:22 GMT
Just need to offer my apologies to the TFF member who sent me a text message around 1.30pm today. I did read that you were on the m5 and it was raining hard and you asked if the game was still on.
Sadly my touch screen phone knows it is so much smarter than Dave R and when I went to reply it came up with a message to tell me the message had been moved. It would have been better if it had added to a place you won't find it, as I looked everywhere on the phone and could not find it.
Time to go back to my old phone I think, yes I know the batteries start to get a bit heavy in the rucksack after a while, but as least I can use the bloody thing properly.
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Post by Dave on Nov 21, 2009 21:53:16 GMT
From a Rotherham fan's forum (http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=450&fid=215&sty=2&act=1&mid=2123830911): Roamin_Miller: Well at least he is 100% honest, because that is how the game went and I sit here and still can't believe we lost this game two nil.It has to have hurt the players big time, yes they will know they played so well, but to put in such a great performance and get robbed at the death, is hard to swallow. Still they will have to get over it by tomorrow and start preparing for the next game, if they play even half as well in that one as they did today, the three points will be in the bag. |
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Post by keyberrygull on Nov 21, 2009 22:09:54 GMT
Today was cruel , maybe we could lodge an appeal with FIFA.
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Post by Dave on Nov 21, 2009 22:14:42 GMT
Today was cruel , maybe we could lodge an appeal with FIFA. Please don't go and start Grahame off again, he seems to have moved on now  |
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Post by Dave on Nov 21, 2009 23:19:35 GMT
Apologies for no match pictures as yet, Darryl has not send then over, he may have had to go out after the game, I expect he will send then in the morning.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Nov 22, 2009 9:27:55 GMT
I thought the ref was reasonably good!
Clear decisions, good use of the advantage for both teams and he moved around the pitch quickly.
With regards to the booking of Wroe, his was a more cynical challenge to break-up an attack that was moving into clear space (not that Rotherham had many of those!!) rather than the Rotherham player who had been booked because he had just been warned about persistant fouling.
Given the conditions yesterday I felt he had a good understanding as to how this would impact upon the play of the teams.
Football forums are all about opinions though and I'm afraid I couldn't see the free-kick as clearly from the Grandstand as I would have from the Pop!
I have found the standard of refereeing far better in League 2 - although I wonder if that is because we are not playing against the cynical part-timer in his cup-final diving, wasting time, shirt pulling and flying-in with the tackle. Perhaps those matches are just harder to referee?
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Post by Dave on Nov 22, 2009 10:10:41 GMT
Otobe, It looked to me being very close to the Wroe foul that he did look to block the player with his hips, but he did not fully commit to the foul and the Rotherham player made the most of the contact and went down.
The fouls committed on Smith were far more cynical as Smith was deliberately tripped while running at speed.I can't agree with your views of the ref. he gave fouls that clearly were not and gave some the wrong way around s far as I'm concerned.
He was sure getting plenty of abuse being shouted to him from the popside, a good indication if he is having a good game or not.
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Post by aussie on Nov 22, 2009 11:37:53 GMT
The Ref had a good game, are you on drugs? Or just a wind up merchant? Unbelievable!! I`m actually shocked that anyone could have formed that opinion, the Ref was a complete knob jockey, he was deffo Rotherhams 12th man! If you believe he was quality compared to last season then O.K that`s your opinion but in my opinion you are so so wrong!!!!
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Post by merse on Nov 22, 2009 12:31:36 GMT
He was sure getting plenty of abuse being shouted to him from the popside, a good indication if he is having a good game or not.  ..................and the verdict was? Since when did getting abuse from the Popside indicate a poor performance? I think Wayne Carlisle could give you a few lessons on that one Dave! When Andy Hall came on the League list for his first season I remember Neville Southall inviting him to join us for a cup of tea in what is now The Gulls' Nest and stressing on him the need to calm down and not set his stall out to early by "booking" himself into a corner so that later (in the interests of consistency) he pressured himself into issuing red cards that could have been avoided. Nev put the point over that most reasonable players recognised that for young refs, this was their very own "playing career" and that they should view one particular game withih the overall picture that the players they were reffing today would crop up again and again in the future and how important it was to keep them "onside" and thus respecting you. There's nothing worse for a ref's "name in the game" than to be percieved by players and managers as reffing for themselves, putting themselves in the spotlight and consistently in the newspapers. Sometimes when the crowd are howling for this and that to be done (usually from their own biased point of view) they only see the obvious in front of them and are totally unaware of the little chats, asides and verbal exchanges that go on throughout the game between officials and players. Little exchanges that go a long way to keeping a lid on things when to be more "route one" if you like in the approach to handling a game can land the ref in excactly the sort of backs against the wall situation that results in multiple sendings off and cautions.......................something that doesn't do anyone any good. I'm not making a judgement on the ref's performance yesterday ~ I wasn't there ~ but sometimes when a spectator screams for a card to be shown, he isn't party to the overall picture nor the true way that control has been maintained by the referee.....................and control is everything. |
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Post by chelstongull on Nov 22, 2009 13:06:54 GMT
Yes it certainly makes sense to talk to the players first, set the rules. However, Stevie Wonder gave their right back (Lynch) 3 chances after tackles on Smith before he rightly booked him but booked Wroe for a tackle which warranted a talking to and a "if you do that again you will be in the book".
It appeared to the 'unbiased Plainmoor Popside faithful' that they had several chances before getting booked but we had one chance.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Nov 22, 2009 13:16:30 GMT
Calm-down Aussie, I'll leave that to you!
No, from where I sat he had a decent enough match and in no way influenced the match from the path that it naturally took.
I don't think that there would have been so many comments had we won instead of having such a frustrating defeat inflicted upon us.
We had one static striker that looked so far removed from the one that was talismanic last season and one that ran around but I didn't feel to great effect.
I don't think that in our last few home games I have seen our strikers look at all dangerous for anything but the slightest glimpse and I find this concerning.
I don't buy into the "Rendell deserves a run in starting line-up" purely because he has been sat on the bench and getting the odd cameo. Bucks watches these players every day in training and if he cannot displace Benyon and Sills from the first team then that doesn't bode well.
Whilst I think we all knew that Zeb's statement upon signing that he was "brought-in to lead the line" would probably not be immediately true, I really believe that he would better serve us as a striker. A striker that can bring the play towards goal seemed missing yesterday and I feel that this could be addressed by the attributes that Zebs has. I think that there might be changes up-front at Port Vale on Tuesday.....
Couple that with a midfield that didn't really get to grips and drive us forward when we had more of the control then there were far more influential variables that made-up the result yesterday than the referee.
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Post by Dave on Nov 22, 2009 15:40:36 GMT
Merse as I said in my match report, its not often I ever have a lot to say about the referee, I think they have a very hard job and know they will get things wrong from time to time. It’s always said a referee who had a good game, is one you hardly noticed was even on the pitch.
What fans need to see is consistency in decision making by any referee, it is true to say that the view the referee gets, will always be different from the view the fans get, watching from the stands.
Therefore as he should mostly be up with the play and closer to any incident, then he really is in the best position to make a judgement. There are times during a game that incidents will happen very close to where the fans are viewing the game, when that happens, the said fans are also in a good position to make an informed judgement.
Wroe’s foul was just inside our half and very close to the touch line, not a great deal of contact and required no more than a telling off and warning, that the next foul would see him get a yellow card.
The player on the other team committed a far worse foul, when he knew we had been beaten by Smith and then clearly tripped up Smith who was running in full flight. He then brought Smith down again in the same spot and only when he did a third time did he receive a yellow card.
When Wroe was being book our players and Benyon in particular, held up three fingers to the referee, to indicate that the other player had committed three fouls before he got book and this was only the first foul Wroe had committed.
My views on the referee were not formed after the game when I felt so very disappointed we lost a game we deserved to win, (but then to win you need to score and we failed to do that and the team that did win took their chances), but during the game.
I had felt until the very end of the game that we would win it and don’t think we lost it due to any decisions the referee made, I did say he could have given a penalty against Robertson, but didn’t.
There were many incidents where he missed the first foul on our player and gave one against him, its things like this that get fans wound up at games and I will say the referee was badly let down by the popside lineman’s, who could have raised his flag, but never did. The linesman on the other side did indicate a few times that a foul had been committed.
A referee in my view should have it in his mind how we will referee the game, if he feels players should be given a warning for their first foul then it has to apply to all players on the pitch. Only when it is a very dangerous foul, or one that is a red card offence, should he then stray from his plan of action.
On the note about Carlisle, I do not think he takes to kindly to the song that gets sung at him, when he is on the popside part of the pitch, it goes like this Carlisle he used to be shite, not he’s already, I do find this a bit distasteful and its clear by his reactions, IE does not turn and smile at the popside, he does not like it.
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