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Post by merse on Dec 20, 2009 19:57:42 GMT
~ rising fuel prices as in this country, as they are a direct legacy of the political will of the people who derided my and like minded people's struggles against the wholesale slaughter of our basic fuel industries (coal and iron, steel and North Seas Gas) by the cynically corrupted greed and profit motives of the Conservative Party of thirty years ago. I'm a little confused by this one point Merse  My understanding was that the basic price of oil was set by the world market with the increased demand from developing countries such as India and China pushing the price up. However the main constituent of the pump price is the tax take which has been kept very high by the current government.Surely it is the high oil price that has contributed most to increased home energy and transportation costs that has led to increased fuel poverty?  Partly I agree. But consider too the lost revenue from the lost production that has had to be compenstated for by these inflated taxes on oil bought in and the very FACT that we are now a nett buyer of gas, iron, coal and steel rather than a nett producer.The chickens have come home to roost. |
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Post by Rob on Dec 20, 2009 20:17:24 GMT
As a cardigan wearing nerdy political activist type, I am with merse on this one.  |
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Post by merse on Dec 20, 2009 20:58:31 GMT
As a cardigan wearing nerdy political activist type, I am with merse on this one. Having spent my pre Crimbo Sunday chauffering a female old school right wing bigotted resident of St Tropez who "wouldn't live in England for all the Socialists" yet "keeps a hotel suite in Knightsbridge", listening to her espousing her "Sunday Mail views" on immigration and absolutely bonkers conspiracy theory "that they're all here to boost the Labour vote"; I'm ready to start the revolution now pal................so it's cardies off and battle fatigues on brother!  I must have "yuss mammed " a hundred times, personally escorted her into the jewellers as she was "carrying £20,000 cash", wrapped her pressies for her and even held her dozen helium balloons  as she finally got out of the car for the last time with a forced and frozen smile on my face in grateful thanks for the fiver tip that went some way for compensating me for having neither a cuppa, nor a bite to eat or even a ruddy pee for the whole day.  Bloody good job the fee for the job was "a good 'un", 'cos I ruddy well had to suffer for it today I HAD TO SUFFER!  and if that Gordon Brown is lurking on here tonight: "I hope you stuff 'em at the election Gordie, I really do, 'cos I'll love it just love it!"  |
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Post by Rob on Dec 20, 2009 21:05:32 GMT
Well the tightwad lady will never stay rich if she gives it away to any waif and stray with a licence, will she?. Gawd 'elp us. ;D |
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Post by yellowstew on Dec 20, 2009 21:39:55 GMT
Since no one else from torbay has posted anything then I will .
We heard the game was off 6 miles from crewe at about 12-05.
since we had two on the mini bus that were not coming home I had to continue the rest of the way to drop them off at the train station. As alot of you will know Gresty Road is next door so we went for a moan ! As soon as we got out the bus the grass verge was rock and covered in ice.
A club offical who was not very friendly to say the least was adamount the pitch was not frozen and the ref had made the wrong decision. (but wouldn`t let us veiw the pitch !)
One of the match officals confirmed the center off the pitch to be hard and unplayable.
In my mind the correct decision was made.
My only gripe is that Crewe were thick & stupid to think the match could and would go ahead and the ref .
The ref proberly only had to travel an hour or so to get to the ground.
why when every other fixture up that way had fallen to the weather did he leave it until 12 o clock to get to the ground.
One nice touch was one of the stewards took steve and cav and gave them a big box of pies and pastys for us to share . Not alot but a lovely well received gesture.
Stewart
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Post by lambethgull on Dec 21, 2009 16:47:16 GMT
It’s been interesting to read the various responses to the Crewe postponement.
I take a slightly boring view on this, which is that postponements are inevitable, but that giving fans wrong/insufficient information is not. If the ref decided part of the pitch was frozen at midday, then the club should have known it was frozen earlier and have announced a pitch inspection. That would have at least given travelling fans a couple of hours more notice to think about alternative ways to spend their Saturday.
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Post by merse on Dec 21, 2009 17:40:07 GMT
It's all very well criticising Crewe Alexandra for the lateness of the decision, but to be honest just when do people expect frost covers to be removed? There would be absolutley no point in removing them before the very minimal period of sunlight of any significance (at this time of year between 11am and 1pm) would there? What would be the point of removing them at first light which would only result in further exposure to the low temperature? How could the pitch be inspected until the covers be removed? How could the game be given a sporting chance of going ahead unless the covers be removed at the latest time feasible? If the club had not used covers, and how many clubs of their size even has them?; the game would have been off on Friday.......................is that what people want then, for games to be given up to the weather when there is a chance of playing them? It seems there is an element who expect decisions as to whether games go ahead or not to be made purely from their point of view and to hell with the very real need of the home club to make every effort to maintain the fixture, the very real wish of the majority of the spectators ~ who let's face it live within 30 minutes of the ground; to see the game given every chance and the very real wish oif the two teams to get the game on. It seems to me that Crewe are being castigated by some for making every effort to get the game on rather than meekly give in on Friday afternoon and say "we're not going to try"...................another example of the current day climate of "me, me; me"
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Post by aussie on Dec 21, 2009 17:57:32 GMT
That kind of brings the question forward that would kind of throw doubt on the effectiveness of said covers anyway, maybe they should have consulted the manufacturers of the covers to see if the temp. being below a certain level then the covers don`t work anyway! I was under the impression that these covers operate quite well but only down to a certain temperature then they are useless after that so reading the instructions that come with them might have help matters! |
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Post by lambethgull on Dec 21, 2009 18:06:04 GMT
It's all very well criticising Crewe Alexandra for the lateness of the decision, but to be honest just when do people expect frost covers to be removed? There would be absolutley no point in removing them before the very minimal period of sunlight of any significance (at this time of year between 11am and 1pm) would there? What would be the point of removing them at first light which would only result in further exposure to the low temperature? How could the pitch be inspected until the covers be removed? How could the game be given a sporting chance of going ahead unless the covers be removed at the latest time feasible? If the club had not used covers, and how many clubs of their size even has them?; the game would have been off on Friday.......................is that what people want then, for games to be given up to the weather when there is a chance of playing them? It seems there is an element who expect decisions as to whether games go ahead or not to be made purely from their point of view and to hell with the very real need of the home club to make every effort to maintain the fixture, the very real wish of the majority of the spectators ~ who let's face it live within 30 minutes of the ground; to see the game given every chance and the very real wish oif the two teams to get the game on. It seems to me that Crewe are being castigated by some for making every effort to get the game on rather than meekly give in on Friday afternoon and say "we're not going to try"...................another example of the current day climate of "me, me; me" But Crewe said themselves that the covers only worked down to -4'c, and that the temperature got down to -6'c Friday evening and morning. What self-respecting groundsman doesnt know what the temperature gets down to the night before a match and what impact this will have on his pitch? I know blokes with an allotment who always know the dew/freezing point/temperature and the impact this will have. |
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Post by chrish on Dec 23, 2009 13:33:58 GMT
Personally speaking after the aborted Stockport run I rang Crewe in the morning before I left and they told me the game was on. So I packed up the car as I was going down to Mums for Xmas and set off for Crewe. In the end it was a good idea I didn't plug the iPod in instead of listening to Fighting Talk on Radio 5 else I wouldn't've known about the game being called off unless somebody had phoned me. I had however already decided to ring in again towards Birmingham just in case.
As it was I heard about the postponement just after Oxford on the M40 so I ended up taking the scenic route cross country towards Swindon and then ended up having a very relaxed and traffic free journey down the M4 and M5. I think they should bring back the guillotine for middle lane hoggers though.
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as she finally got out of the car for the last time with a forced and frozen smile on my face in grateful thanks for the fiver tip that went some way for compensating me for having neither a cuppa, nor a bite to eat or even a ruddy pee for the whole day. 
