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Post by Dave on Feb 22, 2010 17:35:47 GMT
When ever we talk about the old Newton Abbot we always mention the Penn Inn swimming pool and the park that was all lost when a supermarket was built on the site. I do not know if it all disappeared just so the supermarket could be built there, but a magic place that provided so much fun and pleasure was lost forever. In those days there was no big Penn Inn roundabout just a set of traffic lights at the bottom of the Shaldon Hill onto the road that went into town one way and Torquay the other. Once across the main road you were greeted by two large gates that went into a car park and on the left hand side was a row of lockup garages. On the right of the car park was a circular train track raised a few feet off the ground and every Sunday a man who owned a model stream train would be there and he gave you free rides on it. To the left of these large gates was the entrance to the swimming baths a place most Newton kids would spend their summer school holidays at and while I was a non swimmer I was always there with my mates and have fond memories of my times there. The pool was not heated and the first thing you looked for as you got near the front to pay was the board that showed what the temperature of the water was, there where two different prices, one was to use the indoor changing rooms or the stone huts that were at either end and outside of the main building but inside the grounds of the pool.. Most could only afford to pay for the hut to change in and while it did not have a door, noting ever went missing as far as I remember. At one end of the pool was the fountain and you were not permitted to go in it but I know I did and I expect most kids did at one time or another. At the other end the diving boards and right in the corner a window where you could buy sweets and rinks etc. I’m sure this was a small cottage and was lived in and there was also a window on the car park side that was used as well to sell to those who were just using the park and not going into the swimming pool.
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Post by Dave on Feb 26, 2010 21:09:01 GMT
One street we have often talked about on this thread is Wolborough Street and this week in the Herald Express Bygones pages there were some great photos showing the changing face of this street from the 19th century to the present day. The garage pictures are interesting and tell the story of the British car industry. Back in the 1950’s and 1960’s it was occupied by Western Garage with a great showroom selling such wonderful British models such as the Wolseley and Morris In 1978 It became Mumfords and at that time the nations car builders had joined together and formed a single company known as British Leyland(what ever happened to them) If you look at the second garage picture you can see how tired the building looked when it was a Leyland garage. Seymour Horwell who were Volvo dealers also operated from Wolborough Street but relocated to Greenhill Way and their old site in Wolborough Street has been recently demolished and the site awaits redevelopment Did not remember the Odeon being so imposing
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Post by dazgull on Mar 16, 2010 13:29:18 GMT
Whilst a tad younger than one or two others commentating on the pics and good old Newton Abbot it makes me feel old when seeing some of the pics and remembering them!
My grandparents lived at Pomeroy Rd just pass the Wolbrough Inn so when in town as a kid would always pop in there first before going in town. On the way back we always popped into Elliotts for some sweets...be good to see a pic of that if anyone can get it.
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Post by Dave on Apr 17, 2010 19:21:30 GMT
I took a few pictures for merse while at Bakers Park today, we have talked before about the fountain that had two lion’s heads on them and I’m sure you pressed their noses and the water came out a tube in their mouths. I was surprise to see its still there only missing the loin’s heads; I wonder what happened to them. I also took a shot of the boarded up toilets, the changing rooms and the big tree that used to have a bench running all around it that I’m sure many Newton boys would have sat on.
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Post by merse on Apr 17, 2010 20:15:26 GMT
I appreciate those pics Dave...................Bakers Park was never my favourite football venue as the surface was usually appalling, either cloying mud in winter or dried out and rock hard, cracked and rutted in springtime. There used to be three pitches there although only one ( the one featured in today's match) was any good. At least it was flat (I won't say level) whilst one ran up hill and the other over a hump and all of them were of minimum length and width. When my former youth club Newtor United became Newton United, we played there and games would be called off by the council at the drop of a little rain or so it seemed and I recall we had a love - hate relationship with the Parks' Superintendent. As for even trying to play good football on the crap surfaces, I can only say that I even found it difficult to referee properly over there; such was the vagary of bounce and I once recall turning to former Aston Villa and Torquay legend Dick Edwards when a through ball veered off a rut to go for a throw in instead of a goal kick and said to him "I bet that never happened to you at Villa Park" and he replied "I've not even seen 'em turn like that at Trent Bridge"I hope the changing rooms still retain their original name for they are the Len Coldwell Pavilion ~ one of NA's sporting heroes who played for the England Cricket team and County Champions Worcestershire in the sixties. Although at least a dozen years younger than my father, they were firm friends and I remember the high excitement when we received his Christmas card from Australia when he was touring with the MCC as it was in those days. Len played in an age when even the very best cricketers needed a winter job and he worked as a rep for a brewery like his great pal Tom Graveney. His right arm medium fast bowling in tangent with the fellow opening trundling of "Mad" Jack Flavell proved that raw pace wasn't necessary in the game at that time and indeed in the early sixties I seem to remember Len claiming almost three hundred First Class wickets over two seasons before they even thought of him as a possible England player. My dad always reckoned himself to be just as good a batsman as Len, just that Len was a much better bowler.....................Len never scored more than 40 in a match ~ any match, not even a second eleven or a charity game. So even if the lettering has fallen off the building and is in the same sad state as the toilets and the drinking fountain, I can still picture those gold letters proclaiming "The Len Coldwell Pavilion" and that's what it is.Len didn't live that long (he smoked too many fags) and his brother met an untimely end under a steam hammer in the railway carriage building sheds in Forde Road, but I remember his old mum in her little bungalow which looked out over Sandringham Park and popping in there with my dad for a cup of tea before playing a youth league game or two in the mid sixties, and if he was over for the day from his Teignmouth home; Len would come and stand on the touchline almost unrecognised and unknown watching Stefano and I strut our stuff
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Post by merse on Apr 17, 2010 20:43:20 GMT
How typically "Torquay Funny Farm" that on the night we are celebrating our beloved football club retaining their Football League status, we are waffling on about Isambard Kingdom Brunel and "Mad" Jack Flavell ;D It's what makes our world go round in a much more civilised manner than certain other forums
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2010 17:02:15 GMT
This might interest a few Newton Abbot oldtimers. It's from the pages of a 1964/65 AA members' handbook which I picked up for a pound last week. Shows things like licensing hours, early closing days and last posting times as well as hotels and garages:
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Post by Dave on Sept 22, 2010 22:32:45 GMT
Well its gone and to be honest it has looked and eyesore in Newton Abbot for a number of years now. I bet Merse can remember having meals in this place many moons ago. It looks strange seeing the side of the church that we have never ever seem before. This is how it ended up before being knocked down this week.
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Post by merse on Sept 22, 2010 23:06:48 GMT
God what a sad sight of the old Rendezvous................the very first place I experienced eating out when my parents took my brother and I there for Sunday dinners as an occasional treat for mum in those days of austerity back in the early sixties. Nothing sophisticated by today's standards, just a goold old Sunday Roast followed by a desert ~ usually of apple pie and clotted cream, or another of my boyhood favourites, bread & butter pudding with custard ~ and I can still visualise the old waitresses in their black and white uniforms. My old gran's funeral was held when she died at the age of 101 in St Leonard's Church next door and of course the legendary "Miss Elliots" (not the hot little Jamaican singer!) "Open All Hours" emporium was just accross the street.
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Post by Dave on Sept 23, 2010 5:22:47 GMT
Merse the church gave up the business of saving lost souls at that church a long time ago. Its now an emporium, your are more likely to go there to buy a second hand table than pray and the only things you will see standing on the church steps these days are concrete cast cats for sale.
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Post by merse on Sept 23, 2010 14:13:58 GMT
Merse the church gave up the business of saving lost souls at that church a long time ago. Its now an emporium I noticed that many years ago and whilst not a religious person I think it's a shame really but indicative of the implosion of the importance of belief within our present day society. Thaty's two major churches in NA now used for commercial purposes ~ the old Congregational Church in Queen Street being the other ~ and it's a trend common throughout the land. I can think of former synagogues now being used as mosques and one instance in Kilburn/West Hampstead where a former church of England place of worship now sees life as a Sikh Temple...................but at least they are being used as places of worship and not as antiques centres or solicitors' offices. Of course the other great conversion of old churches these days is for residential use and isn't there one in Torquay that is a youth club or night club or something? Old churches often have great accoustics, and I can think of a few also which have been turned into recording studios too.
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Post by Dave on Sept 23, 2010 18:19:25 GMT
The one you are thinking about merse was called the monastery night club and was in Torwood Gardens, the police closed it down in 2000 and last month the former owner was in court charged with harassment over the last ten years against the police officers he blamed for losing him his business that then resulted him him losing his home and his late wife suffering from severe depression. The result of the court case was he accepted an unlimited timespan restraining order. The club was unlicensed meaning the minimum age to go in was only 17 and it was in effect a member’s only club that opened at 12 midnight and closed at 7am. It was always very popular and packed and people came from wide and far to experience the unique experience that the club offered. I think most people were shocked when the police got it closed down and it sure never looked right at the time and I know I had a feeling at the time that the action taken was not necessary and it had a bed smell to it. The dance floor was under ground I believe, I personally have never been inside the building so only know that from what I have been told about the club. The building is not that old as far as churches go. St Andrew's is a Grade II-listed building and built in 1863. In 2008 after taking over two years due to the church then being almost derelict, it was converted into 10 apartments each costing well over 200 grand.
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Post by lambethgull on Sept 23, 2010 18:29:13 GMT
Merse the church gave up the business of saving lost souls at that church a long time ago. Its now an emporium I noticed that many years ago and whilst not a religious person I think it's a shame really but indicative of the implosion of the importance of belief within our present day society. Thaty's two major churches in NA now used for commercial purposes ~ the old Congregational Church in Queen Street being the other ~ and it's a trend common throughout the land. I can think of former synagogues now being used as mosques and one instance in Kilburn/West Hampstead where a former church of England place of worship now sees life as a Sikh Temple...................but at least they are being used as places of worship and not as antiques centres or solicitors' offices. Of course the other great conversion of old churches these days is for residential use and isn't there one in Torquay that is a youth club or night club or something? Old churches often have great accoustics, and I can think of a few also which have been turned into recording studios too. Not forgetting the Brick Lane Mosque, which has been a Protestant chapel for French Huguenots, a Methodist Chapel and a synagogue in previous times. I have to say I'm not really too fussed about this. A building’s use will inevitably reflect the times. It's good to walk around old churches and places of worship, and an understanding of a faith increases one's appreciation of these buildings. It's not ideal when these centrepieces of a community turn into flats or estate agents, but you also have to question whether it's a good use of prime real estate to have them crumbling whilst a handful of ageing worshippers shuffle through each Sunday.
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Post by keyberrygull on Sept 23, 2010 19:20:18 GMT
Well its gone and to be honest it has looked and eyesore in Newton Abbot for a number of years now. I bet Merse can remember having meals in this place many moons ago. It looks strange seeing the side of the church that we have never ever seem before. This is how it ended up before being knocked down this week. And this is what it looked like this morning. Another casualty is the Baptist Church in East street. Recently abandoned by its congregation and now in a state of disrepair. Hard to believe that during the early 80's it was home to a very well supported Boys Brigade company. A local window cleaner, Captain Ken Pomeroy, was head poncho and marched his band up the main street each remembrance Sunday. Not sure if either the Boys or Girls brigade have a presence in the town today? Another Church that seems to be inactive is Prospect Chapel . I don't think I have ever seen its doors open, let alone understood its purpose?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 22:11:03 GMT
The dance floor was under ground I believe, I personally have never been inside the building so only know that from what I have been told about the club. The building is not that old as far as churches go. St Andrew's is a Grade II-listed building and built in 1863. That surprises me, Dave, as I had you down as a Monastery regular who may even have done the odd "turn" there. There's also St Mark's in Torquay which has been the TOAD's Little Theatre for over twenty years now. The Victorians built a glut of churches, didn't they? Must have been all the rage like out-of-town megastores many years later. "For Gawd's Sake, not another bleedin' church..."
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