england v germany it is then

we were awful,and an unjust decision,i notice the argies have just had a diabolical decision go their way as well,argentina and germany both getting the rub of the green yet again,of all the nations these two

It's the sole reason Paul~ clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool have contributed nothing to the England cause since the emergence of Terry, Gerrard and (wait for it) Carragher...................eight years and a big nothing from these two major clubs, yet two decades ago they were a byword for England production.

It's one thing to have impressive academies and then another to produce the players but deny them first team football because you're bringing in endless foreign players. The players who would have at one time then got exposure at the highest level there is in club football were then genuine contenders for England caps, but now of course so many are denied this chance.

Then there are clubs like Wigan and Portsmouth who are a complete waste of space in the Premiership with tat sides full of cheap African and Central American imports. The Premiership is now only a two horse race anyway and I've yet to be convinced it will be any other next season.

Look at Matthew Upson as a prime example of youth denial ~ Arsenal paid two million pounds for him at 18 years of age when they brought him in from Luton who had developed him.................so who had they been bringing along in their own acadamy who then got denied his first team opportunity and how many games did Upson actually get in the Gunners first team anyway? After just 35 games and a whole load of injuries Upson was on his bike to Birmingham City. Was that outlay justified? I very much doubt it and boy did he look an arse today against quality top class opposition.

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That is so true Chris and maybe if we had been occupied by the Germans for 5 years we may feel like the Dutch do.

I took these pictures in Holland they were build as defensives from the invading Germans, please don't ask where in Holland they were, I only went there ;D Maybe if Rolf sees this post he can post where it is.

Is that who it was? I thought it was some kid they picked up outside the stadium and thought they'd make his day

Who would believe this player is now 28 years old? Still unfulfilled potential, still plays like he has no conception of what is expected of a player of his years in the game.

Well, well. I thinks everything's already been said about that shambolic performance. Make no mistake, this will go all over the world as the total capitulation of English football. Everybody's talking about the (4) big players in the team but they never showed up. The rest of the squad is very average, unfortunately. The pundits at the BBC all agreed that it was shambolic. Here in Holland our pundits are still on the ground laughing about that overall display.

The Premier League and it's big spending clubs are the main reason for this failure. Far too many foreign players in the League and thus too many English players who never get the opportunity to make it big time in the PL.

However, had that goal been given to make it 2-2 it could have become a completely different ball game. The 2nd half suited the Germans bloody well.

Where have all the car flags gone. From the cars i am passing.where have all the car flags gone. Just since yesterday. Where have all the car flags gone. In the f***ing bin where they belong. When will we ever learn when will we ever learn. 120 miles done so far this morning the shame is everywhere to be seen

You have to wonder how much of an impact those 3 seasons he had at Chelsea had on his development as a player. I don't think it helped him to have a period of relative inactivity when he was 23-26 years of age.

You have to worry for this new group of Trevor Brooking's 11 year olds. They might turn out to be very good, but will they ever get the chance to shine at super rich clubs who just have a policy of buying what they want? Does anybody think that Michael Mancienne is ever going to break into the Chelsea first team and get the top notch experience he needs? Having said that I still can't believe that Gerard Pique is seen as a top class centre half after being schooled at Old Trafford in a mixture of Coca Cola Cup and reserve team matches.