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Post by merse on Oct 7, 2010 8:42:10 GMT
I would agree with you that the man you describe who lives near you is not getting the support he needs, but I'm not sure where the resources are going to come from for him to get it. I am also uncomfortable with the idea that someone should be detained or supervised for long periods of time when they have committed no crime and do not represent an immediate harm to others.  I'm more concerned for his own safety than the inconvenience to others.................it's not as if he's even playing "Bonkers" by Dizzie Rascall is it? *On a serious note, there are various housing schemes whereby people with his issues are housed in wardened accomodation but of course the practical side of it there are just not enough to accomodate all people like him. I am shocked in that such recent times Loyalgull found such iniquitous treatment of (again) some of life's "unconventional and challenging" characters meted out at Leavesden Hospital. *
May this throw away comment be considered for classification as a joke so as not to offend anyone somewhat humour challenged or obsessed with political correctness. |
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Post by stefano on Oct 7, 2010 9:00:56 GMT
I would agree with you that the man you describe who lives near you is not getting the support he needs, but I'm not sure where the resources are going to come from for him to get it. I am also uncomfortable with the idea that someone should be detained or supervised for long periods of time when they have committed no crime and do not represent an immediate harm to others. I'm more concerned for his own safety than the inconvenience to others......... That's exactly the reason why I think there is a huge hole in mental health provision since the closure of specialist hospitals. With mental illness there is often a very real danger that the person will cause harm to themselves, and as a society we should be protecting such vulnerable people from themselves. It hasn't got to be long term and long term is not desirable. At Moorhaven Hospital, which closed in 1993, most patients were there for 2 to 3 weeks before being discharged, and some for only a few days. Depending on their diagnosis many were allowed out of the hospital during their stay and given permission to go to the Horse and Groom pub in Bittaford. I emphasise depending on their diagnosis as clearly that would not be suitable for Mike. |
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Post by merse on Oct 7, 2010 10:51:55 GMT
i worked at leavesden hospital abbots langley for many years Another one now developed as luxury homes.............the stink of trough snuffling pervades once more! |
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Post by stefano on Oct 7, 2010 10:55:39 GMT
i worked at leavesden hospital abbots langley for many years Another one now developed as luxury homes.............the stink of trough snuffling pervades once more! I think virtually all of them went to property developers. Moorhaven Village is a very sought after location. I have been in several of the dwellings in the course of my present job and they are very impressive. |
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Post by loyalgull on Oct 7, 2010 15:33:00 GMT
i worked at leavesden hospital abbots langley for many years Another one now developed as luxury homes.............the stink of trough snuffling pervades once more! correct,the arsenal goalkeeper almudia now lives in a luxury house where i once worked and cared for people,very much greenbelt |
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Post by aussie on Oct 7, 2010 16:52:18 GMT
Another one now developed as luxury homes.............the stink of trough snuffling pervades once more! correct,the arsenal goalkeeper almudia now lives in a luxury house where i once worked and cared for people,very much greenbelt Can you work your way up to black belt? ;D |
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Post by lambethgull on Oct 7, 2010 18:44:14 GMT
I'm more concerned for his own safety than the inconvenience to others......... That's exactly the reason why I think there is a huge hole in mental health provision since the closure of specialist hospitals. With mental illness there is often a very real danger that the person will cause harm to themselves, and as a society we should be protecting such vulnerable people from themselves. It hasn't got to be long term and long term is not desirable. At Moorhaven Hospital, which closed in 1993, most patients were there for 2 to 3 weeks before being discharged, and some for only a few days. Depending on their diagnosis many were allowed out of the hospital during their stay and given permission to go to the Horse and Groom pub in Bittaford. I emphasise depending on their diagnosis as clearly that would not be suitable for Mike. The hole you describe is actually something the NHS is very bad at. In London (and elsewhere) this need is increasingly being served by the private sector (commissioned by the NHS) who are actually far better placed to provide these services, given the fluctuating levels of demand there has always been for this type of service. It should be stated however that 'Care in the Community' as a concept was not something dreamed up by the Tories in the 1990s. It's nascent beginnings within psychiatry in this country occurred after the First World War, but really took off in the 1950s after the creation of the NHS. |
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Post by loyalgull on Oct 8, 2010 9:54:48 GMT
have now had contact with mike me his brother and will duggan meeting him on sunday
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Post by pappy on Oct 8, 2010 22:50:13 GMT
Hope it goes well Alan and respect for you doing this. Ihope things turn round for Mike.
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Post by Dave on Oct 9, 2010 7:30:48 GMT
have now had contact with mike me his brother and will duggan meeting him on sunday A big well done for trying to find a way to help Mike, it won't be easy and may not be successful and all you can do is try and hope he can also help himself so his life does not end the same way as my 44 year old nephews did exactly a year ago in Newton Abbot. www.torquayfansforum.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=pop&thread=2850&page=1#31651 |
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Post by loyalgull on Oct 10, 2010 8:43:30 GMT
i didnt realise you were related to jamie and sid dave,as you say though,we will give it a go,will update occasionally
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Post by chrish on Oct 10, 2010 9:05:30 GMT
I know mike poblocki very well,went to work as a fresh faced 16 year old yts lad at a plastics company in newton abbot back in 1985,thats were i met and became friends with mike. Mike in his day was seriuosly talented footballer and an intelligent man aswell,i believe he has 7 'A' levels,though i could be wrong on that,also know his son dean very well. Life chucked a number of cruel blow's at mike,some deal with things,mike sadly could not,already a heavy drinker,he spilt from his wife,and as his drinking got worse,turning up serveral times drunk ,he then lost his job. Last time i saw mike it was a sad sight for any one who knew before his life went out of control,then a spoke to dean who told me he had aflat down torquay and was settled,however things seem to go wrong again after this. anyway iam glad to see above that things are in motion to help him,as personaly iam not in a postion to do much. and agree the asbo is just bizare,its help mike needs. I was wondering if he was Dean's father. I remember having trials for WBB when I was 13 or 14. Dean was a good player and I wasn't. It's never nice to read about how desperate and marginalised people can become when they fall off the rails. |
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Post by forevertufc on Oct 12, 2010 17:52:16 GMT
I know mike poblocki very well,went to work as a fresh faced 16 year old yts lad at a plastics company in newton abbot back in 1985,thats were i met and became friends with mike. Mike in his day was seriuosly talented footballer and an intelligent man aswell,i believe he has 7 'A' levels,though i could be wrong on that,also know his son dean very well. Life chucked a number of cruel blow's at mike,some deal with things,mike sadly could not,already a heavy drinker,he spilt from his wife,and as his drinking got worse,turning up serveral times drunk ,he then lost his job. Last time i saw mike it was a sad sight for any one who knew before his life went out of control,then a spoke to dean who told me he had aflat down torquay and was settled,however things seem to go wrong again after this. anyway iam glad to see above that things are in motion to help him,as personaly iam not in a postion to do much. and agree the asbo is just bizare,its help mike needs. I was wondering if he was Dean's father. I remember having trials for WBB when I was 13 or 14. Dean was a good player and I wasn't. It's never nice to read about how desperate and marginalised people can become when they fall off the rails. Yes as you rightly say dean like is dad is a good footballer in his own right. glad to see mike is getting some help,both me and mrs forever know mike,and wish him well. |
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Post by loyalgull on Oct 12, 2010 18:37:37 GMT
mike was arrested yesterday and sentenced at torquay court today,he will not be out until mid january,despite the fact he is seriously mentally ill he is back in nick for the same old patterns he shows.But things are now going to take another turn,all the different organisations are now listening to us,it didnt stop him getting sentenced but the ball is rolling.Mike is a very vulnerable individual,and prison is offering him nothing.2010 and there are still injustices,truly unbelievable but not surprising,care in the community is not working for everyone sadly
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Post by pappy on Oct 12, 2010 20:44:52 GMT
It is an injustice and the system as it is is crap. Lets hope he gets some help while he`s inside.
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