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Post by tufc01 on Oct 3, 2008 18:46:33 GMT
 Well if today's massive fifty plus offerings are anything to go by since I last saw the site, give me [glow=,2,300]quality over quantity anytime[/glow]. In my humble opinion, just three of those fifty are remotely interesting, the rest just a drivel of boring score predictions, wholesale cribbing from wikipedia and [glow=yellow,2,300]other inanities[/glow]. I know that's me being "elitist" but that's me and I don't apologise for it. Oh, by the way I didn't choose my "nickname" other people did!  Whilst i agree that i would prefer Quality over Quantity, as it is this that makes this forum stand out amongst other similar forums. I can see Dave and BBCgulls point about the lack of posts, particularly for Dave who puts in an awful lot of time and effort and more often than not comments/replies to all our posts. The content of each post may not be to everyones liking, but we live in a world full of diverse people who have different interests. Most people on here have, at some stage, made posts that most readers would find inane and drivel. I include you and myself in this category. We all have the option of scrolling past anything that does not interest us, however there will always be someone who finds the post interesting. |
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 3, 2008 23:29:31 GMT
Did putting more things on here today work for ther better or worse?
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Post by harrogategull on Oct 3, 2008 23:35:02 GMT
Guess i am one of the non Posters that is referred to that regularly visits this site but does not post. I admit that I look at this site 2 or 3 times a day and am often logged in (leave it permanently logged in, easier that way) to find out what is happening in the world of TUFC.
Why ,it is the quality of the postings and views that make this site great. Why do i not contribute, well if i can not add anything useful, why clog up with comments like "great Post", "I agree" or other wasteful one-liners, if it is a thread that I feel I can contribute a valid view I will or if it is something I feel strongly about, I will contribute, but only if valid or necessary.
Everybody who posts on this site regularly offer great views, opinions and arguments, the quality is exceptional, the best i have seen on any forum. Take the other side for example, you maybe get one quality post in 100 and it was a long time since a quality thread was active, to the point that I may glance at the site for 5 Min's when really bored, then give up because i read page after page of irrelevant posts which say nothing of use or interest.
This site has provided many fantastic threads recently including the Newton Spurs thread in Photos, the Gazza thread and many from the early days are informative and thought provoking, take a look back and you will find some quality information about our club.
The Torquay United Greats is a fantastic idea and although merse you mention the Wiki quotes as drivel, I was looking forward to yours and others memories of these players playing for Torquay United and other clubs.
Its quality not quantity, as merse says and Guys keep up the good work this is the best forum to read so do not get down hearted by the lack of posts and look at how many times the thread has been viewed! This is the true test of success!
Look at what I have posted in the past and I hope it maintains the standards of this site, quality and I could post every day with rubbish but do you want that! I do not and neither do you!
P.S Another reason i don't post often is it has taken me 25 minutes to write this!
P.PS Have edited slightly due to beer goggles last night!
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 3, 2008 23:47:16 GMT
Great post Harrogategull!! I voted for that as best of the week.
I guess that is where the usefulness of the Last 100 part comes into play.
For those who dont want scecific posts then just go on the particular threads. I hhowever use th erlast 100 as i like to view all.
It may have taken 25 mins but that was a post of worthyness
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Post by Dave on Oct 4, 2008 6:23:48 GMT
harrogategull, 25 Min's well spent because your views on the forum are very important to me and your post has given me a great insight to how people see the forum.
When you have a dream and a plan to built what you want to be a good forum, you really hope that people will not only like It but will enjoy coming to view and use the forum. The forum Is and always will be about quality, but I must confess, my fears have always been, that If we do not get many posts, some will just stop even viewing the forum, as they can't find nothing new to read.
I have never done a car boot sale and I often wondered how those behind the tables felt, people just coming up having a look, then walking on past.I said to Carol a while back, that I think I may know how they do feel by running this forum. I set out my table with whats on offer, make it look good and attractive, then watch as people come by and take a look.
What happens Is that I see members logged In and after a while see them log out and yes I'm hopeful that they will make a good post on the forum, just like the car boot seller, hopes those stopping at their table, will buy something.
The thing with me Is, that I always strive to make things the best and like others hope to see the rewards for my efforts, the fact that we have got so many members who always visit the forum most days, really should be telling me, that they do enjoy reading what Is on Offer on here.
Brett like me wants the forum to be a success story and got carried away yesterday and maybe over posted, but the fact that he showed he cared about the forum, was good enough reason for me, to say thanks for trying Brett. even If some of the posts are not the sort Of posts that we look to have on the forum.
Like Jim said I must remember this Is still a very new forum and one that has really grown faster than I dared to hope and just like the car boot seller, who one Sunday will make a killing, only to find the next one he sells nothing, I need to except there will be days when the posts are flowing and days when they are not.
I would like to thank all those who use the forum, that includes those who really are just readers, yes we need those who write and contribute, but without the readers, the efforts Of the writers would be wasted. Many thanks to all the members Dave
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Post by rjdgull on Oct 4, 2008 7:06:17 GMT
Whilst agreeing with the above posts I think there is another reason as to why posts have diminished somewhat recently - we are playing well    There is nothing like a string of poor performances as to get people incensed and start moaning. And where do we take out our frustration - yes on here, the forum.  The analogy is that bad news, scandal and misfortune sells in the media. If we won every game and had an unassailable lead by February I would suggest that things would be nice but a bit boring - there is only so much praise and "best team ever polls" that can keep the forum going. Give me the highs and lows of Torquay any day, we rarely do mid table ( O.K. I know we are mid table at present but strongly believe that we are in a transitional phase from relegation muppets to promotion hopefuls! ) Maybe it is my imagination but the likes of Dave Shaw haven't been so prolific in their posting recently and long may it continue! ( No offense meant to those quality and thought provoking posters ;D) On the plus side, our diet of league football is about to be spiced up with the cup competitions. I'm sure that playing different teams and maybe utilising more of our fringe players will invite more comment..... |
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Post by Dave on Oct 4, 2008 7:14:39 GMT
rjdgull, If It comes down to the forum getting less posts because the team keeps winning, then I think I will have to learn to live with It. As you say you can only give praise so many times and without real news, It can be hard to find things to write about. Saying that while TUFC is the main reason we are all here, we can always debate anything else In life, even seagulls and  |
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Post by merse on Oct 4, 2008 11:33:29 GMT
,it is the quality of the postings and views that make this site great. Everybody who posts on this site regularly offer great views, opinions and arguments, the quality is exceptional, the best i have seen on any forum. Take the other side for example, you maybe get one quality post in 100 and it was a long time since a quality thread was active to the point that I may glance at it for 5 Min's when really bored, then give up because i read page after page of irrelevant posts which say nothing of use or interest. I've just taken a lookat "the other site" and true to form it is full of utter drivel. What's happened to the almighty "SG" by the way, has he disappeared and taken up train spotting or autograph hunting and taken all his little mates from Egsshitter and Guz with him?  |
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Post by Jon on Oct 4, 2008 13:00:52 GMT
You judge a site by "signal to noise ratio" not by volume of posts.
Most people have limited time available, so can put up with reading 5 or 10 "nothing posts" to get to a thought-provoking one, but will not bother to plough through 50 or 100 to get there. How many people have given up on dotnet, knowing that they will miss some good posts but unprepared to wade through all the crap that envelops them?
This site consistently has two or three really good posts a day. Please let's not make those posts difficult to find by flooding the site with nothingness.
How many people read a paper cover to cover and how many just read the front and back page? The "last 100" is our front page. If there are say a dozen nothing posts a day, our two or three excellent posts will stay on the front page for a week. If we get over 100 nothing posts a day, they will not stay up for 24 hours and many will never see them.
I'm not saying we can't have a bit of banter and joke posts, but let's not flood the site for the sake of it. Some people do not like posting at all and some will post pearls of wisdom once in a blue moon. If they keep viewing the forum, that shows it is a good forum. Drive them away with drivel and we will have a higher "percentage of members posting" - but only because the forum was no longer worth reading other than by people who like seeing themselves on screen.
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 4, 2008 13:18:38 GMT
seems my plan hasn't been well recieved after all  All comments noted. I've decided NOT to follow up the Crowd Prediction Game after today as that will just double the amount fo posts... Iwill calcualte todays game for you though. Prediction League as per norm of course. |
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 4, 2008 13:30:04 GMT
...i think we are coming into puberty here so to speak in terms of the site. We are in a very grey area now because as previous postings have said - lets not flood the site - but where does banter and inane posts stop and irrelevant posts of limited interest start ie crowd game and tufc greats...
Im not taking this personaliy so dont think that but im slightly put off to post now as i feel certain posts may be seen to be flooding
Seems like i have opened Pandora's Box.
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Post by merse on Oct 4, 2008 13:58:24 GMT
Most people have limited time available, so can put up with reading 5 or 10 "nothing posts" to get to a thought-provoking one, but will not bother to plough through 50 or 100 to get there. How many people have given up on dotnet, knowing that they will miss some good posts but unprepared to wade through all the crap that envelops them? This site consistently has two or three really good posts a day. Please let's not make those posts difficult to find by flooding the site with nothingness. That is it in a nutshell Jon. The day Merv let a kid who was already running a juvenile site that catered for those with a thirty second attention span get his hands on .net was like letting the Titanic carry on with the bung taken out of the ballast tanks. Then "the kid" allowed a Svengali figure to exert his "control freak" character over procedings and it went downhill faster than the Jamaicans in "Cool Runnings"  Now "Svengali" has got bored and is hardly ever on there, so where does that leave "the Kid"? "Home Alone" I guess. Now the former quality site has become the juvenile one and a new quality site has evolved.......................let's not see the same mistakes repeated! Dave, once again there is nothing wrong with this site as it is, you're doing a great job - if it ain't broke, don't look to fix it! |
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 4, 2008 15:08:26 GMT
Most people have limited time available, so can put up with reading 5 or 10 "nothing posts" to get to a thought-provoking one, but will not bother to plough through 50 or 100 to get there. How many people have given up on dotnet, knowing that they will miss some good posts but unprepared to wade through all the crap that envelops them? This site consistently has two or three really good posts a day. Please let's not make those posts difficult to find by flooding the site with nothingness. That is it in a nutshell Jon. The day Merv let a kid who was already running a juvenile site that catered for those with a thirty second attention span get his hands on .net was like letting the Titanic carry on with the bung taken out of the ballast tanks. Then "the kid" allowed a Svengali figure to exert his "control freak" character over procedings and it went downhill faster than the Jamaicans in "Cool Runnings" Now "Svengali" has got bored and is hardly ever on there, so where does that leave "the Kid"? "Home Alone" I guess. Now the former quality site has become the juvenile one and a new quality site has evolved.......................let's not see the same mistakes repeated! Dave, once again there is nothing wrong with this site as it is, you're doing a great job - if it ain't broke, don't look to fix it!Wise words Merse and for once i agree with you!!!!! totally agree with the description of the sinking off Dotnet and the reason why. Got to say my posts yesterday were not looking to fix a broken ship but i just felt that we seemed ot be getting about 3 to 15 posts a day at times and i wanted to input some more threads. This seems to evolved into a bigger debate as to whether or not more posts will ruin this site. I dont feel anything i worte yesterday was not worthy of this site. We need to be wary though of posters who DO find some of the things i put in worthy and then others saying that this may make the site like others and their mistakes. This may make THESE posters not post again. It is a double edged sword. Like i said Pandora's Box... |
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Post by jimd on Oct 4, 2008 17:01:15 GMT
There has to be a balance between good, thought provoking posts and chit chat, both are needed if a forum is going to grow and keep people coming back for more.
Its a delicate balance but I think we have it on this site, and as others have said, a test of a good forum is how many and how often people are visiting the site, not how many posts are made.
People are visiting and coming back for more.......Dave, you have a good site on your hands mate so stop bloody worrying about it...you too Brett.
Enough inane rubbish from me or I will put the site into recession along with the economy. ;D
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Post by Jon on Oct 4, 2008 17:23:14 GMT
The day Merv let a kid who was already running a juvenile site that catered for those with a thirty second attention span get his hands on .net was like letting the Titanic carry on with the bung taken out of the ballast tanks. Then "the kid" allowed a Svengali figure to exert his "control freak" character over procedings and it went downhill faster than the Jamaicans in "Cool Runnings" Hang on a minute! I'm not too happy about a personal attack an Louis! He may be young, but he's got a sensible head on young shoulders and has worked harder and achieved more than some who are three or four times his age! Louis is a top bloke. If there were more youngsters around like him, the world would be a far better place. Get off his back! |
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