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Post by petef on Mar 6, 2011 12:44:23 GMT
When it goes, wrong as it quite easily could have after the penalty miss and Stevenage had equalised, it would have been Buckle that would have had to have taken the abuse and stick from all and sundry. He has every right to be fuming at a player who has blatantly ignored his and his captains instructions.
Zebs is a valuable asset without doubt but has to be reprimanded for this incident which on this occasion fortunately galvanised our performance. It could quite easily have been the reverse.
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Post by alunmeerkat on Mar 6, 2011 12:46:10 GMT
Dave - that is nonsense. It does not matter what the score is. It could have been a turning point - it wasn't.
The same thing happened a couple of weeks ago in an Exeter home game when the excellent Mr Tisdale turned his back on the whole shebang when there was an argument over who should be taking a penalty for them. He gave an excellent aftermatch interview when he stipulated that it was ridiculous that he should be nominating a penalty taker from seventy yards away and it would just add to confusion, even though they missed as well.
That seemed spot on to me so I will take his view over yours than you very much - Zebroski looked confident - he missed it - it could have cost us - it didn't. End of story. Stop bleating about it.
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Post by alunmeerkat on Mar 6, 2011 12:51:15 GMT
So what happened if Robinson had taken the penalty and missed it, and then we had got a second penalty? - Are you seriously suggesting that the players should all run over to Buckle to decide who he should nominatye to take it.
I think in the majority of cases it is an issue that the players would sort out for themselves.
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Post by chelstongull on Mar 6, 2011 12:56:27 GMT
It's unprofessional to bicker over who takes the penalty. However, Zebs would be my player of the season by a country mile as he covers more area of the pitch than anyone else, makes goals and track back.
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Post by Dave on Mar 6, 2011 13:01:37 GMT
So what happened if Robinson had taken the penalty and missed it, and then we had got a second penalty? - Are you seriously suggesting that the players should all run over to Buckle to decide who he should nominatye to take it. I think in the majority of cases it is an issue that the players would sort out for themselves. I'm very sure such things as penalty taking are things that the team practice on the training ground. Bucks would know who was the most likely player to score from the spot and surely he would therefore he the chosen one? But there would always have to be a second choice taker as the first choice for whatever reason might not fancy taking the kick. This could also be the case if he already taken one and missed it and did not feel confident enough to take the second spot kick. Such things one would imagine are all sorted out before the game even kicks -off and we do have a captain out on the pitch who has a job to ensure the managers wishes are carried out. I don't know myself if Robinson was Bucks first choice to take the spot kick, but many seem to believe that was the case and if he really was, then unless he did not fancy taking it, Zeb's should not have in my opinion. |
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Post by Dave on Mar 6, 2011 13:11:14 GMT
It's unprofessional to bicker over who takes the penalty. However, Zebs would be my player of the season by a country mile as he covers more area of the pitch than anyone else, makes goals and track back. Can't argue or disagree with any of that Phil, however the question really is was he the best one to take the spot kick as he was the most likely player to score from it? You often see a player who won the penalty grabbing the ball as he must feel I imagine, that as he won the spot kick it should be who has first choice where taking it is concerned. I suppose some managers take the view the players should sort out at the time who takes it, while others will give their players clear instructions who he wants to take it. We don't know if that was the case or if Bucks just made up his mind who he wanted to take it when it was awarded. |
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Post by tufc01 on Mar 6, 2011 13:57:12 GMT
So what happened if Robinson had taken the penalty and missed it, and then we had got a second penalty? - Are you seriously suggesting that the players should all run over to Buckle to decide who he should nominatye to take it. I think in the majority of cases it is an issue that the players would sort out for themselves. I don't know myself if Robinson was Bucks first choice to take the spot kick, but many seem to believe that was the case and if he really was, then unless he did not fancy taking it, Zeb's should not have in my opinion. I would imagine that Kee would have been the nominated penalty taker? Didn't he also take our last penalty? So with Kee off the pitch then a decision had to be made about who would take it. I disagree that because Robinson is on loan he wouldn't be nominated. He is a centre forward and as such are the people you look to score your goals and as a consequence you would probably look to to be your penalty takers. Let’s not make this about Zebroski's talent, performances, work rate etc. I agree with AlunMeerkat about Zebroski's work rate and with Phil that he is a country mile clear as our Player of the season. By saying that he shouldn't have taken the penalty is not in any way questioning what he offers the team. One of only 3 or 4 players who could be the first name on the teamsheet EVERY week, even if they had a bad game the previous week. So no one is doubting Zebroskis talent or importance to the team. The fact is that it COULD have made a difference. A lot of planning goes into each game, hence the starting line up/formation. This week it didn’t matter that the penalty was missed because we still bagged the 3 points. There is also no guarantee that Robinson/whoever would have scored themselves, however we are debating whether Zebroski should have done as he was told, so its not ‘end of’. It might well be meaningless and irrelevant but surely it doesn’t stop us wanting to discuss it? IF, and that’s only an IF, they did manage to scrape a draw somehow and we dropped 2 points. 2 points at the end of the season COULD make all the difference. There is also no doubt that had it made a difference yesterday the ‘sort it out buckle’ brigade would have gone nuts and the anti Buckle brigade on here would have blamed him. The manager is there to manage and make decisions. If our manager decides that he wants to choose the penalty taker, unlike the guy up the road (or down it for me) then as the manager that’s his prerogative and one that should be followed by the players. You can’t have players disagreeing with the manger, no matter how silly you think the rule or the decision is. You might just find that was the reason that Kee was substituted yesterday, and before you start NO I am not suggesting for one minute that Zebs should have been substituted, but he should be made aware of his responsibility to the team. That said it is really hard to say anything detrimental against a guy who has the bollox to step up and take the responsibility of taking a penalty. It’s just that it could have been handled differently yesterday, even though there was no guarantee that the result of the penalty would have been any different. |
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Post by rjdgull on Mar 6, 2011 14:27:33 GMT
I think on a general point of principle that Bucks doesn't like the player that was fouled to take the penalty. It was actually a well hit penalty though that did everything but go in and I would be more than happy fro him to take any future penalty.
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Post by loyalgull on Mar 6, 2011 15:09:20 GMT
agreed,only bad luck stopped zebroski scoring,but PB decides who the penalty taker is,and it wasnt zebroski,it doesnt pay to cross PB as things can get difficult
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Mar 6, 2011 15:09:39 GMT
I think on a general point of principle that Bucks doesn't like the player that was fouled to take the penalty. It was actually a well hit penalty though that did everything but go in and I would be more than happy fro him to take any future penalty. Indeed. Theres no way any keeper can get to it if its in the top corner and perhaps even just half an inch lower and left (judging by where it bounced) would have seen the keeper picking it out of the net... |
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Post by jmgull on Mar 6, 2011 17:34:07 GMT
Zeb's actions over the penalty was unprofessional.......that surely can't be argued.
If your manager and your captain tell you that someone else is taking it then you should accept it....end of.
Zebroski is no fool i'm sure.....he knows the score.
I'm sure Bucks wont make a big thing of it publically......he'll definitely being having a strong word with him though.
Zebroski has been excellent all season.......and Terry is right, he probably is our most important player these days.....however, in any team you need a level of discipline....
Thankfully it didn't cost us....
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Post by Dave on Mar 6, 2011 17:35:32 GMT
If you asked me what was the difference between the first and second halves in yesterday’s game against Stevenage, I would say in the second half we got the ball down on the floor and played football with it.
Pass and move, balls played into feet and other players backing up the man who had the ball at his feet. When a player found himself in a tight situation, there were players close by to pass to so the space could be opened up again and we retained possession of the ball.
There were no long hopeful balls just hoofed up field by our defenders, there were some long balls that were played, but they were to players standing in wide unmarked positions.
During the first half I heard a number of shouts from fans on the popside “get the ball down” as there were a number of occasions when the ball was up in the air a bit too much.
On our day we are a very good passing side and a joy to watch and on our day we have enough good players to out pass most teams. I happen to believe it’s the very best way to play the game as if it’s done correctly the ball does all the work.
Fans at yesterday’s game often broke out in applause for so many of our good passing moves and the skill on the ball so many players displayed. It’s the sort of football any football fan is happy to pay to watch and want to come back to watch again.
If we can keep playing football to the standard we did yesterday, we will not only reach the play-offs, but more importantly start winning the missing fans back.
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Post by chelstongull on Mar 6, 2011 18:17:28 GMT
It was certainly a game of two halves. I think you could have written the high lights of the first on the back of the proverbial postage stamp. We seemed to pump the ball up high which was meat and drink to the bruising back four.
Stevenage lined up with the biggest team I've seen at Plainmoor in years - even the forward Branston was marking dwarfed him. Kee came off to be replaced by Stevens, assume it was an injury sub as he limped down to the tunnel. Would have to admit it was one of the most boring team performances I've seen from Torquay in a while.
Cue the second half and we came storming out of the traps with a cracking shot from Pringle which rattled the bar and put away by Stevens for a great goal. Stevens went on have one of his best performances this season as he ran at the huge but slow Stevenage back four.
Zebs took a through ball and rounded the 'keeper and the rest as they say....There then took a tussle between Robinson and Zebs as to who should take the penalty. It seemed that Bucks wanted Robinson but Zebs took it. Body language wasn't good and he blasted the ball against the bar. Would this come back to haunt us, thankfully no.
One thing we haven't seen for years is us putting three players on the half-way line for a Stevenage corner - this bought a huge cheers from the Popside.
Stevens turned provider for Robinson to put the ball away at the second attempt. I hope we can keep him as he is a better player than Benyon and offers the attack more options.
Craig Stanley had another great game and again it would be great if he signed up for next season as well.
Not sure if Potter had one save to make of any importance in the game.
Potter 7
Nico 7
Branston 7+
Robinson 6 (prone to the usual pulling and pushing)
Mansell 7+
O'Kane 6
Stanley 8
Pringle 6+
Zebroski 8
Robinson 8
Kee 5
Stevens 7+
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Lathrope (Didn't get booked so must have had agood game)
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Post by Dave on Mar 6, 2011 19:28:13 GMT
Anybody know where our Gilbert was yesterday? Stevenage had a mascot they brought down with them and I was hoping our Gilbert would be around as there can be much fun when there are two mascots on the pitch before the game.
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Post by alunmeerkat on Mar 7, 2011 12:42:39 GMT
It was quite an astonishing game in many ways as we looked in all honesty completely hopeless. Our new loanee looked to have been kidnapped and replaced by a local park player on route from Derby. Stevenage were a bunch of brick shithouses against our team of schoolboys and we played like a team of strangers.
I don't much care for Buckles three up front formation either - the three forwards are always too far away from each other.
Kee got substituted and with much petulance. He hasn't looked up to it in the past few games. His fitness looks a big issue and the two games a week has found him out bigstyle. Did someone actually mention a while ago that he was better than Benyon?
Anyway we then had the arrival of dangerous Danny Stevens another player who has looked completelly out of sorts - his first contribution was to lose the ball near the corner flag and present Stevenage with a chance.
The second half arrived and quite possibly one of the biggest transformations I have ever seen. Certainly it was the biggest 2-0 rout ever. Pringle realised he was playing. Stevens scored with a howitzer and Stevenage never a had another kick in the game.
Surely everyone in the ground would have been fearing a Stevenage fluke equaliser after the penalty miss but it was the easiest win we will ever have.
Stevenage bought on their 120k failure who cannot find the net. A man down and his team being outplayed - he must have really been pleased to see the sight of the rampaging Branston marking him.
That was it really as we coasted home. Stevnage ended up looking quite the worst outfit I have ever seen.
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