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Post by aussie on Jul 25, 2011 8:34:47 GMT
The death sentence?
A lot of people argue that the death sentence is wrong because you could kill the wrong person, to a degree I agree. This case in Norway is a little different as they have deffo got the right bloke, it is in this instance I believe he should no longer be a burden to thier already suffering society! They Scandinavians are a bit more `no-nonsense` than us, they inject peado`s testicals with acid to remove any chance of said peado re-offending due to sicko desires. Anyone know the re-offending rate? It`s 1% as opposed to here where it is 99%!
So should he be executed or not?
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Post by lambethgull on Jul 25, 2011 10:51:06 GMT
No they don't have the death penalty.
And no they won't bring it in for this individual.
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Post by rjdgull on Jul 25, 2011 12:39:05 GMT
I'm sure that I heard on the radio that the maximum sentence in Norway is 21 years....
Whether he will get time off that for a guilty plea and maybe good behaviour.....
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Post by lambethgull on Jul 25, 2011 12:58:12 GMT
I'm sure that I heard on the radio that the maximum sentence in Norway is 21 years.... True as far as goes. But the Norweigan system allows the authorities to extend a person's detention every five years once they have served their tarrif if they are considered to present a danger. It's similar to the indeterminate sentence we have in this country. Given that this person is supposed to have been planning this for 9 years, I think one can assume he will always be considered a danger. |
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Post by aussie on Jul 25, 2011 13:24:25 GMT
Orff with his head!
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Post by JamesB on Jul 25, 2011 15:24:46 GMT
I don't see what purpose killing this guy would have. It would be instant martyrdom
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Post by aussie on Jul 25, 2011 17:38:06 GMT
I don't see what purpose killing this guy would have. It would be instant martyrdom Just think of the savings for the tax payer, millions of quid saved and there would be no chance of release to re-offend and kill loads of other people. |
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Post by aussie on Jul 25, 2011 17:39:03 GMT
I don't see what purpose killing this guy would have. It would be instant martyrdom Just think of the savings for the tax payer, millions of quid saved and there would be no chance of release to re-offend and kill loads of other people. Not to mention the effect of diswading others from doing what he did. |
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Post by JamesB on Jul 25, 2011 19:20:14 GMT
Just think of the savings for the tax payer, millions of quid saved Money is more important than human life? there would be no chance of release to re-offend and kill loads of other people. There's no chance he'll re-offend if he's locked up in a high security cell either Not to mention the effect of diswading others from doing what he did. The issue with that is that certain US states have the death penalty and yet the US has the highest murder rate in the world The idea that the death penalty is a deterrent is completely untrue. You could probably extend that to other harsh punishments as well. It's proven that they don't work, because the punishment never enters the perpetrator's mind when he/she is carrying out the crime |
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Post by lambethgull on Jul 25, 2011 20:15:31 GMT
The idea that this individual would have decided against his murderous intentions if Norway had the death penalty is so stupid it doesn't even warrant discussion. Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski and Jared Loughner all commited similar attrocities in a country that has the death penalty, to say nothing of suicidal killers whose AIM is death and martyrdom.
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Post by aussie on Jul 26, 2011 5:43:27 GMT
Just think of the savings for the tax payer, millions of quid saved Money is more important than human life? How can you describe this animal as a human and what about the people he killed, I guess they don`t count! He could escape from custody over time and re-offend, to think he couldn`t is just kidding yourself! O.k so the death penalty might not deter some but it would stop the average person from sane person from pulling a trigger. Doesn`t matter how many names people rattle off that have gone on killing sprees, because I could then quote the rest of the human race that hasn`t gone around killing innocent people as the people that the death penalty has prevented from doing! Double edged sword for the want of a better punn! Terribly sorry mate but this leftist wooly thinking doesn`t wash in my book but I do appreciate your view is valid to you and wouldn`t want to change it but at the same time hey I`m just voicing my opinion! Waits for Lambie to ballistic!  |
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Post by davethegull on Jul 26, 2011 7:42:23 GMT
Money is more important than human life? How can you describe this animal as a human and what about the people he killed, I guess they don`t count! He could escape from custody over time and re-offend, to think he couldn`t is just kidding yourself! O.k so the death penalty might not deter some but it would stop the average person from sane person from pulling a trigger. Doesn`t matter how many names people rattle off that have gone on killing sprees, because I could then quote the rest of the human race that hasn`t gone around killing innocent people as the people that the death penalty has prevented from doing! Double edged sword for the want of a better punn! Terribly sorry mate but this leftist wooly thinking doesn`t wash in my book but I do appreciate your view is valid to you and wouldn`t want to change it but at the same time hey I`m just voicing my opinion! Waits for Lambie to ballistic! Sorry Oz but you can't claim the death penalty stops the average sane person from pulling the trigger because they would be neither average or sane if they did. If we execute the guy we lose a valuable opportunity to study the mindset and psychology of what drove him to it. Usually they save the last bullet for themselves and we never get the chance to ask why? Now we do, so I would say he is worth more to us alive than dead. |
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Post by lambethgull on Jul 26, 2011 7:47:13 GMT
Money is more important than human life? How can you describe this animal as a human and what about the people he killed, I guess they don`t count! He could escape from custody over time and re-offend, to think he couldn`t is just kidding yourself! O.k so the death penalty might not deter some but it would stop the average person from sane person from pulling a trigger. Doesn`t matter how many names people rattle off that have gone on killing sprees, because I could then quote the rest of the human race that hasn`t gone around killing innocent people as the people that the death penalty has prevented from doing! Double edged sword for the want of a better punn! Terribly sorry mate but this leftist wooly thinking doesn`t wash in my book but I do appreciate your view is valid to you and wouldn`t want to change it but at the same time hey I`m just voicing my opinion! Waits for Lambie to ballistic! Not going to go ballistic, Aus, because you're either on a wind up mission or you're genuinely unable to have a rational perspective about issues like this. If you can drop the 'Aussie Alf Garnet' act for five minutes and think about why states with capital punishment have higher rates of murder and spree killers than those that don't you will have made the jump from kneejerk rambling to actual analysis. You might find it interesting to look at both the Norwegian approach to crime and punishment; its exceptionally low crime rates, its low rate of incarceration and recidivism, and the dignified way most Norwegians have responded to this tragedy. |
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Post by aussie on Jul 26, 2011 16:19:23 GMT
How can you describe this animal as a human and what about the people he killed, I guess they don`t count! He could escape from custody over time and re-offend, to think he couldn`t is just kidding yourself! O.k so the death penalty might not deter some but it would stop the average person from sane person from pulling a trigger. Doesn`t matter how many names people rattle off that have gone on killing sprees, because I could then quote the rest of the human race that hasn`t gone around killing innocent people as the people that the death penalty has prevented from doing! Double edged sword for the want of a better punn! Terribly sorry mate but this leftist wooly thinking doesn`t wash in my book but I do appreciate your view is valid to you and wouldn`t want to change it but at the same time hey I`m just voicing my opinion! Waits for Lambie to ballistic! Sorry Oz but you can't claim the death penalty stops the average sane person from pulling the trigger because they would be neither average or sane if they did. If we execute the guy we lose a valuable opportunity to study the mindset and psychology of what drove him to it. Usually they save the last bullet for themselves and we never get the chance to ask why? Now we do, so I would say he is worth more to us alive than dead. Have you heard what the bloke said? He`s a nut case just like all the others that do the same sh*t, we don`t need to know now because we do so according to your own rule we can now execute him! |
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Post by aussie on Jul 26, 2011 16:24:28 GMT
How can you describe this animal as a human and what about the people he killed, I guess they don`t count! He could escape from custody over time and re-offend, to think he couldn`t is just kidding yourself! O.k so the death penalty might not deter some but it would stop the average person from sane person from pulling a trigger. Doesn`t matter how many names people rattle off that have gone on killing sprees, because I could then quote the rest of the human race that hasn`t gone around killing innocent people as the people that the death penalty has prevented from doing! Double edged sword for the want of a better punn! Terribly sorry mate but this leftist wooly thinking doesn`t wash in my book but I do appreciate your view is valid to you and wouldn`t want to change it but at the same time hey I`m just voicing my opinion! Waits for Lambie to ballistic! Not going to go ballistic, Aus, because you're either on a wind up mission or you're genuinely unable to have a rational perspective about issues like this. If you can drop the 'Aussie Alf Garnet' act for five minutes and think about why states with capital punishment have higher rates of murder and spree killers than those that don't you will have made the jump from kneejerk rambling to actual analysis. You might find it interesting to look at both the Norwegian approach to crime and punishment; its exceptionally low crime rates, its low rate of incarceration and recidivism, and the dignified way most Norwegians have responded to this tragedy. Surely that`s just your opinion and take on the situation! A rational perspective is in the eye of the beholder as to his or her interpretation of `rational`! Also did you realise Alf Garnet was taking the piss? I thought he was funny and made people in his mold look rather stupid, I believe that was the idea anyway. Knee jerk reaction and actual analysis? Where were your facts? Finally you know I`m just `avin` a giggle! ;D |
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