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Post by davethegull on Oct 16, 2012 7:03:56 GMT
Don't usually take any notice of internet trolls but this is such utter rubbish even I can't let it pass. Does DTG honestly not see the irony of an emigrant to another country railing against immigration into the country he left behind? Incredible. I was a visitor to Torquay v Argyle as well and no-one else who was at the game needs me to tell them that the atmosphere was nothing like that described by DTG. Maybe the police were a bit heavy handed when they ejected that lad for letting off a smoke bomb but to say the place was like a gulag is just barking mad. Or it would be so if DTG actually believed the twaddle he writes. DTG's ignorant and anti-semitic remarks, his mysogyny and global warming denial put him in the same category as the notorious Violentacrez for writing offensive anti-contributions with the sole intention of creating an outraged reaction. He has excelled himself this time, though. Nazis all over the web would be thrilled with his comment about Jewish banking cartels and as for his no doubt thoroughly researched contempt for the 90%+ of scientists who accept man-made climate change as a fact, words fail me. I am mad with myself for responding to DTG's provocation and since I pride myself on not suffering fools I have no intention of falling into the trap of getting involved in any dialogue with him but it worries me that there may just be a remote possibilty of a young follower of this forum being impressed by his smug and disgusting ramblings. Let's hope DTG follows his own advice and stays as far away from Britain as possible. We need him here about as much as we need his spiritual brothers in the EDL, in the pub and on the home end at the Proact Stadium. And here is the hysterical response from a left wing lunatic who is still stuck in the childish notion that anyone who disagrees with their bullying is a nazi or is an EDL supporter. utterly ridiculous. The usual idiot ramblings chucking out the anti semite rubbish to try and prevent any questioning of the obvious. The same single digit IQ chuntering of the "save the planet" hippies.....newsflash beeste, the planet has been around for 5 billion years and will be around for another 5 billion......it doesn't need saving. As for being anti immigration? Where did I say that exacxtly? I suggest you pop over to North Korea to join your kindred spirits or maybe your Pol Pot style of debate would be better recieved behind your Berlin wall. Your communist/fascist/totalitarian bull betrays your intolerance. It's so funny that you want to portray me as some sort of rascist.....i was born in Nigeria, my daughters half french and I'm married to a Thai. Most of my friends are asian and I live happily in a "foriegn" country..........rather than "out" me chum you've made yourself out to be a tw@t! |
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Post by Dave on Oct 16, 2012 7:09:32 GMT
The TFF wishes to make it clear that any views or opinions expressed on this thread, are the views of the writer and may not be the same views held by the TFF.
This thread was started because of what was considered by many as an inappropriate joke being challenged, as is often the case, it has wondered far away from that subject.
As far as I can tell nothing written on this thread has yet broken any site rules, if that is not the case then when Rob reads it, he will I'm sure look into it.
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Post by lambethgull on Oct 16, 2012 7:26:44 GMT
Whether it's his anti-semitism or casual orientalist attitude towards the Thais, strip away the 'educated by YouTube' BS, and you see the man for what he is..
Let's hope for his sake that a "smiley" working class Thai doesn't decide that his country would be better off with one less racist perv lurking on his countries beaches or in its bars.
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Post by davethegull on Oct 16, 2012 7:40:45 GMT
Whether it's his anti-semitism or casual orientalist attitude towards the Thais, strip away the 'educated by YouTube' BS, and you see the man for what he is.. Let's hope for his sake that a "smiley" working class Thai doesn't decide that his country would be better off with one less racist perv lurking on his countries beaches or in its bars. Oh look, pinky and perky working in tandem to bully their propaganda. Lambie, you've called me many things over the years and I take it in the spirit of freedom of speech/debate and banter. But "rascist perv" is overstepping the mark by some considerable margin. Can I nail this anti semetic nonsense on the head. The banking elite that controls the purse strings of this country and most of the rest of the world are which religion? Muslim? Christian? Buddhist? Catholic? No, so how is telling the truth anti semetic? Unless of course you have an agenda to hide the fact, or want it surpressed rather than discuss it. |
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Post by Dave on Oct 16, 2012 7:53:20 GMT
Whether it's his anti-semitism or casual orientalist attitude towards the Thais, strip away the 'educated by YouTube' BS, and you see the man for what he is.. Let's hope for his sake that a "smiley" working class Thai doesn't decide that his country would be better off with one less racist perv lurking on his countries beaches or in its bars. What ever DTG views are and how ever different they are to the ones anyone else might hold on the TFF, I do not think anyone should be putting labels such as " racist perv" on him. This is an open public forum and I do not need to remind anyone that it is against site rules to post personal abuse. Making such claims do not add to the debate in anyway and are not welcome on the TFF. I had thought the days when we had members who wanted to put labels on people, or stick them in a box of their choice had long since gone. Debate is and always will be on the TFF about arguing the points made you might disagree with. Not trying to try and rubbish the person making the points to try and win the argument. Dave |
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Post by lambethgull on Oct 16, 2012 9:04:10 GMT
Whether it's his anti-semitism or casual orientalist attitude towards the Thais, strip away the 'educated by YouTube' BS, and you see the man for what he is.. Let's hope for his sake that a "smiley" working class Thai doesn't decide that his country would be better off with one less racist perv lurking on his countries beaches or in its bars. What ever DTG views are and how ever different they are to the ones anyone else might hold on the TFF, I do not think anyone should be putting labels such as " racist perv" on him. This is an open public forum and I do not need to remind anyone that it is against site rules to post personal abuse. Making such claims do not add to the debate in anyway and are not welcome on the TFF. Fair enough. I don't know DTG, and can only go by what he writes on here. 'Perv' is probably out of order, but his posts today contain racist, anti-Semitic views. |
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Post by davethegull on Oct 16, 2012 9:32:15 GMT
What ever DTG views are and how ever different they are to the ones anyone else might hold on the TFF, I do not think anyone should be putting labels such as " racist perv" on him. This is an open public forum and I do not need to remind anyone that it is against site rules to post personal abuse. Making such claims do not add to the debate in anyway and are not welcome on the TFF. Fair enough. I don't know DTG, and can only go by what he writes on here. 'Perv' is probably out of order, but his posts today contain racist, anti-Semitic views. I suppose a half arsed apology is better than none. Is it racist (yay, got the spelling right this time) to talk about French farmers burning British lambs because it's anti french? How about Somali Pirates? Or Welsh miners, English slavetraders, Scottish nationalists, Nigerian scam artists? It's only racist when it applies to our non goyim friends. You can't have it both ways or selective to suit your agenda. You either talk about it and get it out there so people can draw their own conclusions or like Lambie you try and keep it quiet and slander anyone who dares to face up to the bullies. It is clearly not a racist position to take unlike a John Terry outburst. The bullies simply want to scare people into accepting their version of history and outlook. Hey, maybe I've got it wrong, show me where. Just don't try and bully people into silence, that socialist trick has failed in the past and will fail again. |
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Post by JamesB on Oct 16, 2012 10:57:53 GMT
Ah the old libertarian "freedom of speech" defence - associate something from a completely different context and intent with the bigotry that one spouts to try and make it seem acceptable. An incredibly facile, transparent argument - "I want to have my freedom of speech but no one else is allowed theirs" springs to mind
Everyone can see exactly what you're doing, Dave - lure them out with offensive stuff into a trap of criticism so you can respond with "you're not letting me say what I want, you fascists/commies/some other negative catch-all political definition". Such an easy trolling technique. And you even used the dreadful "I can't possibly be racist because of X, Y and Z" argument as used by many a John Terry or a Luis Suarez
Where the argument falls down is that freedom of speech is overrated. Especially on internet forums
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 11:25:49 GMT
I couldn't help thinking to myself after our opening two home league fixtures - a cracking contest against Cheltenham followed by a 4-2 win over Rochdale - that any youngster making his first visits to Plainmoor should be hooked for life, given the quantity of superb goals and the all round quality of the football. Then we had the exciting come back from three down to win the seven goal thriller versus Aldershot, and another decent display (although I wasn't there to witness it) against Accrington at the weekend. Amongst the home fixtures two games stand out from the rest as being a bit flat and at times tedious, and those are the games against Argyle and Burton. Davethegull couldn't have had worse luck with the games he attended as overall, the Plainmoor regular has been well served this season. wildebeeste Personally I've done zero research into climate change, so I won't dispute that figure. What I do know from seeing who funds various research, opinion or polls, is that they very often come up with a result that suits the people paying for it. Is it reasonable to say that a fair number of our scientists are employed by State funded universities and get Govenment funds for their research? Is coming up with arguments or conclusions that don't suit your paymasters the quickest way to see your funding withdrawn or severely curtailed? With the politicians hell bent on teaching our kids that the future has to be windmills and solar panels any scientists questioning that aren't going to see much money come the way of their university to fund that new research department. Wasn't it Professor David Nutt, who by producing a pamphlet that didn't fully toe the official line regarding the perceived dangers of certain drugs, thereby found himself removed as a government adviser so quickly that his feet didn't touch the floor. These scientists know that their bread is buttered by way of Government cash, and guard against reaching the 'wrong' conclusions which could well result in their university finding itself being starved of funds. Dave has rightly reminded us that there is no need to direct personal abuse at anyone, and there are surely ways to get your point across and stay within the rules.  Personally I've derived a good deal of childish pleasure by incorporating the Looney Left illustration into my posts over the years ;D, mind you not that I've ever wanted to direct any personal abuse at Lambeth, Barton, Wildebeeste or other members of the TFF Socialist Collective, as I find them to be amongst the most interesting and intelligent (not politically obviously) members of the Site. Not being allowed to express your opinion when you believe it to be a genuinely held and valid one will frustrate anyone, but it's an argument we've gone over before. Yes it is going to be frustrating if for instance Israel were to bomb Iran tomorrow, but we could only speak disapprovingly of one side for fear of being labelled 'anti-semitic'. Could you express dissatisfaction with the military practises of a certain community while at the same time be prohibited from giving your view on their banking practices ? Dave Up until 12 months ago I would have thought the same thing as Dave. But I suspect he is basing his judgement solely on the TFF Charter and not taking into account the complexities of US Federal Law or the TFF's responsibility not to be the spark that sets off a second holocaust. I myself was puzzled when last November the Mods stepped in to alter Davethegulls post, and remove a certain word beginning with J, so that it then read ' ***** banking cartels'. I questioned this at the time: "the 6 toed, knuckle dragging, "my sister's my mum", pond life cornish" (Sept 10th) complies fully with the rules whereas... "Private jewish banking cartels" (November 10th) by contrast is judged to have contravened those very same rules. Furthermore at the time we had a member with an avatar depicting someone p*ssing on St.Piran's cross. Rob helpfully explained who you could and couldn't offend on Proboards, and that Federal Law (which I don't pretend to understand) plays a significant part in determining this: Bearing in mind the reaction to Rob's ruling: I think I have come up with the solution to Davethegulls problem. All he needs do is replace the 'J' word with 'Cornish'. He'll be well within the rules and we'll all know what it is he actually means when he refers to 'Cornish banking cartels'  www.torquayfansforum.com/index.cgi?board=pop&action=display&thread=8948&page=2 |
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Post by JamesB on Oct 16, 2012 11:43:25 GMT
I would suggest re: climate change that while I don't believe there is conclusive objective proof that we're having a major impact on the climate, and think that the IPCC isn't all that great and the peer reviewing and funding systems mean it's very beneficial to suggest that human-induced climate change is happening rather than not happening, there is enough evidence to suggest that we are having some kind of effect
And in any case, it doesn't take a load of scientific experiments for us to work out that pumping tonnes of toxic fumes into the atmosphere isn't especially healthy, at least on a local level. Surely this is as good a reason as any why there should be restrictions placed on industry, cars and the like. It's all well and good shouting "I want to have freedom to drive my Land Rover around the city of London all day without paying anything" but in doing so you're likely denying others their freedom - the freedom to live in a healthy environment
This is why "freedom" is overrated, or at least twisted by bigots and the right to mean something different. "Freedom" is not simply about doing what you want and no one being able to stop you. You have to accept some responsibility for that - the responsibility to not harm the planet, for instance, or to not offend others by negatively stereotyping certain groups
DTG may now respond with "you can't say anything in Britain any more" or some variant of that. To that say I say "good". And respond with this brilliant piece of stand-up from Stewart Lee which for me sums up political correctness/freedom of speech:
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Post by davethegull on Oct 16, 2012 12:23:54 GMT
Ah the old libertarian "freedom of speech" defence - associate something from a completely different context and intent with the bigotry that one spouts to try and make it seem acceptable. An incredibly facile, transparent argument - "I want to have my freedom of speech but no one else is allowed theirs" springs to mind Everyone can see exactly what you're doing, Dave - lure them out with offensive stuff into a trap of criticism so you can respond with "you're not letting me say what I want, you fascists/commies/some other negative catch-all political definition". Such an easy trolling technique. And you even used the dreadful "I can't possibly be racist because of X, Y and Z" argument as used by many a John Terry or a Luis Suarez Where the argument falls down is that freedom of speech is overrated. Especially on internet forums What? To stupid to comment on further. |
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Post by rjdgull on Oct 16, 2012 13:19:34 GMT
Ah the old libertarian "freedom of speech" defence - associate something from a completely different context and intent with the bigotry that one spouts to try and make it seem acceptable. An incredibly facile, transparent argument - "I want to have my freedom of speech but no one else is allowed theirs" springs to mind Everyone can see exactly what you're doing, Dave - lure them out with offensive stuff into a trap of criticism so you can respond with "you're not letting me say what I want, you fascists/commies/some other negative catch-all political definition". Such an easy trolling technique. And you even used the dreadful "I can't possibly be racist because of X, Y and Z" argument as used by many a John Terry or a Luis Suarez Where the argument falls down is that freedom of speech is overrated. Especially on internet forums What? To stupid to comment on further. Some interesting comments on this thread that perhaps has got a little out of hand and is going to take more than a lunch break to properly digest. ;D I will comment on this tonight once I've brushed up on Federal law, the TFF charter and the Cornish national identity. However, I've also got a football match to go to so it won't be early..... In the meantime, perhaps best to let this thread simmer... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 13:20:16 GMT
Well, I apologise to everyone, except the nasty troll obviously, because, apart from those strange individuals who get a kick out of it, no-one wants to log onto a forum only to find that somebody has been using it to have a rant.
I am now banning myself for a week from this particular thread and sticking to football chat instead.
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Post by lambethgull on Oct 16, 2012 13:49:33 GMT
I apologise for posting contrary to the TFF charter and giving Dave and Rob cause to post during their working day.
That's all I'm sorry for.
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Post by Rags on Oct 16, 2012 14:10:17 GMT
I'm sorry that I can't work out if posting " To stupid to comment on further" is irony or satire. Actually, I'm more sorry for the decline in education standards in this country - I blame the liberals.  However, I am delighted to discover that if you do a search for "PC" and "mad" on this site, our Thai Troll comes up trumps! The world has officially now gone pc mad! Stew Lee would be delighted. |
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