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Post by loyalgull on Jan 1, 2013 19:16:49 GMT
a shockingly depressing under performance and result.but no real surprise.we are a squad in decline.and i hate ling and his tactics its ultra boring and not working.He is still banging the we have no money drum.well the fans know too well 650 grand was made in the summer but not re invested in the squad.It is now totally obvious we are far worse than the last two seasons teams.We still are not safe from relegation and on this latest of many poor performances we could find ourselves in a dogfight if not careful.something this present lot arent any good at sadly
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Post by Dave on Jan 1, 2013 19:37:21 GMT
No wonderful start to the new year at Plainmoor, or should I start calling our ground Plainbore. It really saddens me when I look at our wonderful new stand, the new seats in the family stand, the new big screen; yes they have all improved the ground, but where have the excitement, entertainment and more importantly the atmosphere all gone. No Torquay United fan should excuse the fact we are a rather poor and weak side lacking in any creativity due to no money being available to bring in the players that are most defiantly needed. You can’t fault the players out of the pitch for effort and hard work, but today proved even that is not enough playing against a very poor side indeed that could not even play football, only just keep hitting long and hopeful balls forward for the entire match. The plain truth is we got what we deserved from this game, absolutely nothing at all and after today’s showing, I do fear for us when we come up against a team that can play football. Before I give anymore thoughts on the game I would like to make a few other points. One the pitch was very heavy to play on and large areas near the player’s entrance had to be sanded and it was clear how sticky the pitch was over there, but we wanted to play there when so often Nico and Danny were in acres of space out wide on the popside, where the ground was much firmer. Did we look up and pass the ball that way? Not very often I’m afraid and I do wonder why that is the case. The new big screen was onto today for the first time, it looks good but I was surprised all that appeared on it for the whole game was adverts. Are there not match highlights replays of goals scored going to be on it? Also as it started getting dark under the floodlights, it’s a bloody distraction when the ball ends up in front of it. It was clear from the kick-Off that the Dons were just going to keep pumping the ball forward and hope one of their players could get on the end of one of those balls. Sometimes it worked for them, other times not, but there were many times during the game; they always seemed to have an extra man on the pitch. We let them score a very soft goal indeed to take the lead and it all came about after Yeoman made a very poor pass on the halfway line out to Danny Stevens. The ball was played too hard and too far in front of Danny and went out for a throwing. The Dons took it and a ball was played down the right hand side, Nico seemed to lose any sense where the ball was and it was quickly crossed in and headed into our net. We were soon back on level terms that’s to Mansell, the ball was fired into the box and Howe seemed miss getting his head on it, it fell to Danny at the far post and then somehow dropped at Mansells feet some four yards out who buried the ball past the Dons keeper. For a while we did look half decent at times when Joe went on a few good runs (one was very good but his shot from the edge of the box was very weak) and Yeoman took on defenders and got into the Dons box. From one free kick awarded for a foul on Howe, the ball was played into Yeoman who turned well and hit a good shot that just went wide of the left hand post. For me Yeoman was our best player in the first half, but he had a poor second half as far as I’m concerned. In another good first half move, Nico played in Yeoman once again; he got himself into the box with the ball and hit a good shot at goal that got defected just over the crossbar for a corner. We won a free kick our near the touchline level with their box, Craig took it and it was swinging in under the bar until their keeper got good hands on the ball and pushed it over for another corner. Then we gave a needless four away some 40 yards away from our goal in a very central position, I happen to think our defence was guilty of just standing around and watching the play as when the ball was swung into our box, a simple header forward was met by a good left foot shot that went into the far right hand corner of the goal. So not the best first half of football ever seen at Plainmoor and we did not start any better in the second half. You just felt that the Dons were going to score again and wondered where we were ever going to find that second goal to try and get at least a point from the game. We did mount for a short while some pressure on the Dons goal, Howe was just inches away from getting his head on a ball that would have been a certain goal. Easton found himself in the box with just the keeper to beat, but hit a shot so tame my granny would have been disgusted with herself, if she made taken that shot. Boos rang out from the popside when Craig was taken off, some fans shouted at the booers, but I was surprised he was taken off and sorry but once again that Thompson looked a very poor replacement in my book. On the other hand Halpin looked good when he came on and did go one or two exciting runs. One of those runs he played in a good low hard ball into the box and it just needed a touch and it would have been in the back of the net. The Dons still looked the more likely side to score again and their number 7 came close after a good run and shot, Poke did well to beat the ball out and behind for a corner, from the resulting corner the ball was headed just over the crossbar. Just when you thought it was over we put a ball high into their box and a number of Torquay players rose at the back post and one of them (not sure who as the popside PA was rubbish today) headed the ball into the net. To be honest I’m not sure we deserved to get that goal but we did and I did not think for one single second, we would go and throw away that point we had just won right near the end of the game. But we did and why bring the player down when he was running across our goal and not towards it? Up stepped the penalty taker who blasted the ball down the middle of the goal, what another sickening feeling at Plainmoor right at the death of the game. That’s my lot for a little while and a decision not based on today’s display, but one only on the need to keep a tight hold of my money. If new players are not brought in very soon, then I won’t be missing too much Come on the board of TUFC, give the manager a fighting chance by giving him some money to strengthen what is now a very weak team, or else suffer longer term as the team slips near to the bottom of the table and fans start voting with their feet.             |
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Post by rjdgull on Jan 1, 2013 19:38:58 GMT
A rather lacklustre display against a scrapping Wimbledon side that didn't really deserve any points I'm afraid.  The pitch didn't help and perhaps no coincidence that apart from the first, all the goals came from set pieces lumped into the area. Getting into the ground nice to see the big screen up and running. They certainly crammed the adverts in and I probably missed it but would have been nice to have seen the score from time to time particularly as the halftime scores on the linked programme were too small to see from the family stand. The area of pitch between the area and halfway line opposite the player's tunnel was in particularly poor condition. Also nice to see a bigger crowd with a few neutrals and as I walked in chatted to a Newcastle fan and his friend from London who was looking for something to do while the Mrs was out shopping! Wimbledon started snappier and dominated the opening exchanges and looked like a team fighting against relegation. A pass to their right winger left him in acres of space and although Nico manged to catch up, was able to cross comfortably and although there were two covering defenders their on loan forward from West Ham was able to squeeze in and score his first professional goal. We were able to deliver a rapid riposte. A late challenge resulted in us gaining a free kick from which to deliver the ball and after ricocheting around the ball came to Manse to tap in one of his easier efforts. Despite this reprieve, we were still flat although at times it was akin to watching Bambi on ice with much slipping, sliding and overshooting of the ball. However, towards the end of the half. the Wombles were able to get their noses in front again. Whilst battling for the ball, Easton was adjudged to have fouled, despite being on the right side and it was from the resulting free kick on the edge of the centre circle that they scored. The ball was delivered in and fell down amongst a group of players from where Midson was able to get a small touch to tee up Michel-King who finished well across Poke into the far corner. Half time was livened up with the Berlin Gulls making an appearance and after the cross bar challenge winner was unable to hit the bar went head to head with them for two free tickets to the next match. Predictably, the Germans won in the penalty shoot out hitting the bar squarely first time! ;D So on to the second half where we were chasing the game but made precious little headway. One of the bright sparks was Nathan Craig who picked out one great cross field pass to the feet of Danny. However, shortly after, both were substituted to the displeasure of the crowd in Craig's case as Ling looked to bring fresh legs on the wings with the only two wide man that he had left in the form of Thompson and Halpin. Halpin got off to a bad start not running down a though ball just outside the edge of the area which the goalie was able to keep at his feet until he did eventually run back. Thompson was not able to the last few minutes to get into positions to run with the ball and when he eventually did, the cross went out for a goal kick although he may have been unlucky as I thought I detected a slight deflection. There have been a few late goals in our matches previously and for once it seemed to go in our favour. A sliced ball from their defender which was shepherded out by Rene for a corner was delivered with pace by Nico to the far corner and with Downes and Rene there, it was the big man who was able to squeeze it home. So that was that, or so we thought. Another Wimbledon attack saw a couple of their players in the box and a lunge from Downes was adjudged to be a foul and the resulting spot kick was hit down the middle for us once again to lose points in injury time. I think MacDonald has done a good job coming in but I will be happier now that Saah is back to steady the ship and these lapses have occurred during his extended break. Ironically, I think Downes was MotM when maybe he had a part in all three goals - a bad day at the office from a normally reliable and quality player. What is apparent, is that we need fresh blood, at least until we get some of our injured players back over the next month or two. The subs of Thompson, Halpin and Lathrope were not really game changing and none of them were forwards which Ling has IMO rightly identified as an area that needs strengthening. Yeoman did OK in his debut and got a good touch in the second half that Easton should have put away but maybe doesn't favour his left foot as the shot was a little weak and the keeper was able to make a good save. In some respects, good to see Manse and Rene get on the score sheet and really that should have been good enough to take all three points against a not particularly inspiring Wimbledon side..... |
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Post by jmgull on Jan 1, 2013 19:39:23 GMT
A horrible performance against a really bad side (who still deserved a point but no more) played out in front of a poor holiday crowd on quite the worst looking Plainmoor pitch for a decade or two (large parts of it fit for King Edwards only).
Perhaps....I should stop there!
I'll plod on, as I won't feel happy until I can get this one out of my system...
1st half - With the game a few minutes old Nicholson inexplicably gives Ajala (their best player by a country mile) the time to make a cup of tea, compose himself, look up and pick out Mcallum to head home from close range with a perfect cross - question marks against our centre halves - worse for Nicho.
We come back very quickly after a lovely cross from Craig is won by Howe, Stevens picks up the pieces only for Sullivan to save well but Mansell pounces on the rebound to make the game
all square.
For the next 20-25 minutes it's all us as the game settles down and Wimbledon look what they are........shite, we rarely score when we're in front as is the way this season and Wimbledon score again, against the run of play - this time from a cleared free kick, the ball is headed back into the box to Mitchell King who (despite being 6ft 5 and their biggest danger from set pieces) is completely unmarked and has the time to control the ball, turn and shoot past Poke - who from my view got a rather weak hand on it and could have done better.
2nd half - was horrible, we aren't good at chasing games! The football was dire as we just went long time after time and despite having all of the possession and bringing on 2 wingers - we never once got behind them and created little of note despite plenty of huff and puff.
Wimbledon having taken off their 2 CF's at half time, did create a couple of bits and bobs in the 2nd half and were perhaps equally as threating as us but were still content to take the ball in the corners to waste time with still 20 mins left!
90 mins up and and only 4 mins added was a joke - Wimbledon, as is their right of course, wasted so much time at every goal kick, throw in and feigned injury - what is the punishment for such cynical time wasting - none! there is 4 mins added most weeks - I hate that part of the game, I really do.
It looked like they had got their just desserts when Howe headed home at the back post from a corner in injury time - the game was that shit, that nobody really deserved to win it to be honest.
I was fleetingly hopeful that we might nick a third in the couple of minutes still left......thanks to some shocking defending from first Oastler and then Downes - we somehow contrived to give them the win back.
Wimbledon cleared the ball long, in the direction of Oastler, who for some reason just jogged aimlessly towards the ball - it was easily his ball but he got robbed, the ball was played into our box and Yousuff with his back to goal shielded the ball from Downes and was heading away from goal, when Downes (no doubt still puzzled to be named MOM 10 seconds earlier) went to ground and stuck out a leg for Yousuff to fall over......a clear pen and duly dispatched.
Defence - Poke handled reasonably well but the rest of the back 4....must look at themselves for allowing such shite to score 3 times.
Midfield - Mansell and Easton - generally poor as piss to be fair, both look like their best days are behind them. Stevens can't and didn't play on pitches like this.....waste of time and Craig is our only creative player and is wasted on the right, mysteriously subbed with 25 mins left?
Attack - Yeoman was very good in the 1st half and central to anything good we created, he faded after the break unsurprisingly perhaps. Howe was, as usual superb and was up against a decent lower league CH in Mitchell King - if only we had someone to play with him. Halpin came on and had one nice run and cross (nobody there) and Thompson.....did nothing at all sadly.
A couple of loanees are needed!
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Post by petef on Jan 1, 2013 21:01:55 GMT
Watching the slow demise of the squad and team for a number of months you always live in hope that its perhaps just a blip in form and next week it will improve. Unfortunately the opposite is the case and the paper thin squad devoid of any creative quality continues to struggle and sink to even lower depths. Lingy has stated in his frustrated BBC post match interview that he has no money to bolster the squad and that, in as many words said that the club has over achieved in the last two or three seasons under him and Paul Buckle. To state that we have over achieved gives me the impression that he has given up on getting promoted or even being near promoted. Perhaps he even feels he has reached a point where he cant move the club forwardand his hands are tied. That was a real negative statement and one that will surely come back to haunt him. So basically there will be no signings, maybe a lonee to cover for injuries - like it or lump it. This is where we are as a club and whilst admire his blinkered and loyal view that he has a great bunch of talented and capable footballers at the club surely he realises that the quality is just not there any more. There is a real danger, even at this stage that we could be dragged further down the table and into a relegation struggle. I honestly do not think it will happen but it is not unheard of. At what point then would the board try and find the finances to stave off any threat of slipping back into the abyss of Non League would they even bother? There has to be a cut off point or all the good that has been achieved would be for nothing. I hope Lingy has got a thick skin because if results, performances and more importantly entertainment levels improve he is certainly going to need one. Any manager has a duty to the supporters to at least demonstrate that he is trying to improve things but all he keeps coming out with that we are little Torquay with no money and its starting to wear thin . I want to hear him come out with something a little more positive. Its surely his job to wheel and deal and manipulate the squad any way he can and use and juggle the resources he does have at his disposal. I see absolutely no evidence of this just the same "we have no money" and I have a great honest bunch of footballers. Sure we all bloody know that there a great honest bunch but sometimes as we all know that just isn't good enough. And lets not forget that the epitome of honest hard working footballer Lee Mansell was part of that wonderful relegation squad that saw us slip out of the football league. We sold the family silver in the summer and are now reaping the consequences. We have nothing left to deal with- No wait a minute perhaps Rene Howe could be sold for another giant tv screen in the other corner or some new showers at Seal Hayne. Whatever way you look at it Lingys public statements are not what any supporter wants to hear and the sad thing is that if results and performances continue to trend downwards the supporters will turn on him pretty quickly, it already happened today, not something I would do but I do intend now to save my cash until I see more positive signals from the club and management.  |
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Post by rjdgull on Jan 1, 2013 21:14:49 GMT
We are 17th in the attendance league so even at 15th we are punching above our weight! We are better run than that though and once games in hand are played and injured players return I expect to see us improve...
Team MinCrowd MaxCrowd AveCrowd TotCrowd Played
Bradford City 8,841 11,883 9,975 129,685 13
Rotherham United 5,632 11,441 7,854 102,112 13
Plymouth Argyle 5,219 10,003 6,494 84,434 13
Oxford United 5,074 6,906 5,986 65,846 11
Gillingham 4,380 8,571 5,978 71,744 12
Bristol Rovers 4,721 7,451 5,479 60,276 11
Chesterfield 4,333 7,322 5,436 70,668 13
Port Vale 4,139 6,978 5,009 55,099 11
Southend United 4,150 5,397 4,954 59,451 12
Northampton Town 3,541 5,061 4,375 52,510 12
Exeter City 3,249 6,447 4,102 53,328 13
AFC Wimbledon 3,350 4,546 3,869 46,433 12
York City 3,039 5,417 3,818 42,001 11
Wycombe Wanderers 3,020 5,498 3,702 40,731 11
Cheltenham Town 2,563 3,670 2,965 35,586 12
Fleetwood Town 2,399 3,624 2,945 38,295 13
Torquay United 2,069 4,932 2,634 28,978 11
Burton Albion 1,712 3,975 2,606 33,879 13
Rochdale 1,605 3,461 2,238 26,859 12
Barnet 1,483 3,229 2,179 26,148 12
Aldershot Town 1,196 2,862 2,073 24,884 12
Dagenham & Redbridge 1,429 3,555 1,877 24,403 13
Morecambe 1,285 3,232 1,809 19,901 11
Accrington Stanley 1,050 3,010 1,723 20,681 12
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Post by JamesB on Jan 1, 2013 21:16:49 GMT
Let's not resort to the "little old Torquay" excuse. The attendance is lower this year than last year when we had 1 less stand, a stand that was supposedly going to attract all the people who couldn't be bothered last year because there wasn't a grandstand
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Post by rjdgull on Jan 1, 2013 21:33:42 GMT
Let's not resort to the "little old Torquay" excuse. The attendance is lower this year than last year when we had 1 less stand, a stand that was supposedly going to attract all the people who couldn't be bothered last year because there wasn't a grandstand Mr Micawber! |
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Post by chelstongull on Jan 1, 2013 21:46:01 GMT
Twas indeed a very, very, very poor game coming so soon after the last very, very, very poor game against Plymouth. Some wise sage at the game mentioned that we'd played the worst two clubs in League 2 and only got a point. That must mean that we are dreadful and on todays showing I couldn't disagree. I thought Plymouth tried to play football and with their two wingers Gowan-Hall and Bhagera did their best and if Nick Chadwick could claim to be a footballer then they would have been 5 nil up at half-time. They just need a chap to put the ball in the net and they will be safe. Wimbledon with Nat King-Cole and Frankenstien at the heart of the defence seemed to deal with 95% of high balls pumped time after time after time into the Wombles box with no problem. Credit to them when we scored in the 90th minute they went after the winner. They seemed to want it more and were nearly always the first to the ball especially in the build up to their winner - it seemed that Oastler was treading water when trying to get to the ball - kick the f**k*r out of play (the ball that is) rather than stroll across the park. Football at the moment reminds me of that Leroy Rochdale game. The sooner we get 50 points or whatever is needed the better - heard a few folk on the way out say that if we don't get any new players in to sort things out, then they wont be back. Thought that Yeoman and Halpin played well, Thompson not so but still put a few good crosses in and good to see Howe hit the sack. ..and no, the Popside lino is no relation. |
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Post by bristolgull on Jan 1, 2013 22:03:57 GMT
To state the bleeding obvious, today was hard to take!!!  All three goals conceded were highly avoidable and I will be glad to see the calming influence of Saah back from suspension. I think it is true to say that mid table (or even lower mid table) mediocrity will be the end result of this season and to some extent I accept this as it would be some achievement if we were in the promotion shake up after losing some of our best players and investing so much money off the pitch. It is a tricky balancing act, I do believe that to attract players to the club, it does need decent facilities, but once these have been paid for there appears to be very little money left to attract any players to use said facilities!!! Maybe we should see this season, dare I say it, as a season of transition, getting those 50 points and establishing exactly who we want to keep at the club for next season. I think there are difficult decisions to be made over players like Nicholson and Mansell who have served the club so well over the years. Ling's post match interview was clearly hinting that it will be loan(s) only in January, hopefully somebody who can inject some more potency up front to help out Rene. I do think that the results will pick up when we have the full squad available again, I just hope and pray that we can avoid any more morale sapping performances like today in the process! |
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Post by stefano on Jan 1, 2013 22:08:40 GMT
The only positive today was Jamie Cureton being sent off resulting in him being suspended for our re-arranged home game with Exeter City. With Saah back we may scrape a 0-0 draw  |
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Post by keyberrygull on Jan 2, 2013 0:22:19 GMT
..and no, the Popside lino is no relation. We need a Jeremy Kyle show + envelope containing DNA evidence to either confirm or deny. You know my thoughts Phil |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 8:01:50 GMT
We are 17th in the attendance league so even at 15th we are punching above our weight! We are better run than that though and once games in hand are played and injured players return I expect to see us improve... Team MinCrowd MaxCrowd AveCrowd TotCrowd Played Bradford City 8,841 11,883 9,975 129,685 13 Rotherham United 5,632 11,441 7,854 102,112 13 Plymouth Argyle 5,219 10,003 6,494 84,434 13 Oxford United 5,074 6,906 5,986 65,846 11 Gillingham 4,380 8,571 5,978 71,744 12 Bristol Rovers 4,721 7,451 5,479 60,276 11 Chesterfield 4,333 7,322 5,436 70,668 13 Port Vale 4,139 6,978 5,009 55,099 11 Southend United 4,150 5,397 4,954 59,451 12 Northampton Town 3,541 5,061 4,375 52,510 12 Exeter City 3,249 6,447 4,102 53,328 13 AFC Wimbledon 3,350 4,546 3,869 46,433 12 York City 3,039 5,417 3,818 42,001 11 Wycombe Wanderers 3,020 5,498 3,702 40,731 11 Cheltenham Town 2,563 3,670 2,965 35,586 12 Fleetwood Town 2,399 3,624 2,945 38,295 13 Torquay United 2,069 4,932 2,634 28,978 11 Burton Albion 1,712 3,975 2,606 33,879 13 Rochdale 1,605 3,461 2,238 26,859 12 Barnet 1,483 3,229 2,179 26,148 12 Aldershot Town 1,196 2,862 2,073 24,884 12 Dagenham & Redbridge 1,429 3,555 1,877 24,403 13 Morecambe 1,285 3,232 1,809 19,901 11 Accrington Stanley 1,050 3,010 1,723 20,681 12 Good to see someone doing his homework! It's fair to say that if the same 24 teams had been in the Fourth Division 30 years ago the list would probably be more or less the same with Plymouth near the top, Torquay three quarters of the way down and Accrington at the bottom, and it will always be this way almost regardless of how the team is performing. The list pretty well represents the pulling power of each club, with those in larger towns and cities at the top and smaller ones near the bottom, and to imply that Torquay are 17th in the list because they are the 17th most attractive side in the League is unrealistic. It seems to be a fact of life for TUFC that they are never going to compete, financially, with sides like Bradford City or even Rotherham and Chesterfield when it comes to attracting players so it makes sense to consolidate in the League and build for the future off the field. Never having been in administration is a proud boast and one that several teams near the head of Rob's list can't make. We only have to look at where Stockport and Luton are now to see the folly of a club living beyond its means in order to chase its fans' dreams. The Conference actually contains several clubs who are, in terms of history and crowd potential, "bigger" than Torquay United. As well as the two mentioned above I'd put Wrexham, Grimsby, Cambridge United. Lincoln and Mansfield in that category, so in fact all the clubs at the foot of the attendance table can be considered to be doing really well just by staying in the League. For TUFC to bounce back after two years away was actually a great achievement considering the competition. Luton still haven't managed it and they are, undoubtedly, a club with more potential than Torquay. Frustrating it may be to have a season of relative mediocrity but maybe some fans have become a wee bit spoiled, since the team has, as Rob indicates, been punching above its weight in recent years. Loyal fans are needed when the team is going through a bad patch and I hope those regulars who don't feel like shelling out to see them again have second thoughts. There is plenty more of the season left and lots of twists and turns to come. That's why we are football fans. Who the hell wants to support the likes of Man United or City who lose a game once in a blue moon and for whom drawing at home is a crisis? I can think of nothing more boring. Taking the rough with the smooth is all part of supporting your club. Real fans support teams like Accy Stanley, Rochdale, Port Vale, Exeter and Torquay, and if the club has no money and the performances on the field are bad then that's all an essential part of the experience, don't you think? |
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Post by geddingtongull on Jan 2, 2013 8:48:04 GMT
It's hard to argue with any of the comments you have made Wildebeeste.
We are and will always struggle to attract bigger crowds and we have to accept the position we are in this year and hope we can survive in the mid table. and make improvements next season.
I don't think we were punching above our weight last year as we had several quality players who unfortunately have moved on.
I have a friend who is a Peterborough season ticket holder and despite their position he raves about Bobby all the time.
We must remember how the investments of the club in good players enabled us to return to the Football League so quickly. An achievement many of the ex-league clubs are finding so difficult to do in the Conference now.
There is nothing worse than seeing your club loose games and playing badly. Very frustrating and very easy to give up on them.
Unfortunately because we live so far away we don't get to see that many home games, but I do go to watch my local team Corby play at home and over the last few seasons there have been times when loses have been hard to take as the team have appeared not to be trying. Yet we still turn up to have a moan on the terraces and when you beat one of the bigger clubs in the league, ie Boston United, as we did yesterday it makes it all worthwhile.
Have a Happy New Year and continue to support our precious team.
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Post by JamesB on Jan 2, 2013 11:02:23 GMT
Sometimes it's not necessarily about the struggling. I don't think anyone was particularly pissed off when we were struggling in League One, because we felt that we were doing all we could to stay in the division. I think that might be where the problem lies - not in the struggles per se but because (people think) the club could be doing more
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The pitch didn't help and perhaps no coincidence that apart from the first, all the goals came from set pieces lumped into the area. 
All three goals conceded were highly avoidable and I will be glad to see the calming influence of Saah back from suspension. 
