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Post by Jon on Feb 10, 2013 21:01:51 GMT
I'm sure I have mentioned the great Peter Caradoc ("Crad") Evans many times before. Photo "borrowed" from the excellent Greens on Screen which has a nice profile: linkFor those who own the Centenary book, he is the man in the cap to the left of the trophy in the team photo on page 155. I've now found the date that Crad won his cap ( 19 February 1910)- not sure if it was his only one or not - from this site: linkThat's allowed me to track down the match report from the Times: So Crad went all the way up to Huddersfield only to twist his knee early in the game. I'm a bit disappointed to see that his club is listed as Exeter City. He played just three Southern League games for City around Christmas 1909 - as he had earlier helped out Argyle earlier that season. But his real club was Ellacombe FC - until they merged with Torquay United at the end of the season to form Torquay Town. I suppose the Welsh FA might have thought it made them look better selecting a player from a Southern League club as opposed to one who played for a Devon Association League club.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 22:08:47 GMT
That's an imprssive tache, to be sure.
Is Crad wearing his Ellacombe shirt here or is he in the green of Plymouth Argyle? Historical Kits has the original Torquay United from 1899 in Cambridge and Oxford blue and Town in red but no mention of Ellacombe's colours. Help us out, please, Jon.
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Post by Jon on Feb 11, 2013 22:57:11 GMT
That's an imprssive tache, to be sure. Is Crad wearing his Ellacombe shirt here or is he in the green of Plymouth Argyle? Historical Kits has the original Torquay United from 1899 in Cambridge and Oxford blue and Town in red but no mention of Ellacombe's colours. Help us out, please, Jon. I would imagine that is an Argyle shirt in the picture. Crad and his Ellacombe boys used to strut their stuff at Plainmoor in cherry and white stripes.
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Post by Jon on Feb 16, 2013 14:19:15 GMT
Crad getting crocked by the English ruled him out of the big match that Ellacombe had arranged a week and a half later - against the mighty Argyle at the Recreation Ground. You'll see that Ellacombe were "poorly supported" in their "speculation" - an early example of the difficulty in making football pay in Torquay. They would have shelled out to Torquay Athletic to hire the ground and would have given a "guarantee" to Argyle to make the visit worth their while. I suppose the absence of Ellacombe's star striker didn't help.
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Post by Jon on Feb 18, 2013 23:43:04 GMT
Disgraceful stuff from November 1906. What we need is a "respect campaign". I wonder if Crad was showboating and sitting on the ball in a Frank Worthington / Rodney Marsh style, rather than showing contempt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 15:56:35 GMT
I suspect Crad Evans made just the one Welsh amateur international appearance. Wales don't appear to have played anybody other than England before the Great War and it looks like you've tracked down all of their games during that period.
Amateur internationals were pretty new back then and there would have been great interest after the amateur fall out of a few years previously. Certainly too the involvement of big names such as Vivian Woodward - not to be confused with the similarly-named fashion designer - would have added a certain allure and credence to the occasions. I also suspect that, for reasons of social class, the games would have received considerable coverage in the posh papers.
Which means that the presence of an international footballer in Torquay sporting circles - Welsh, amateur or otherwise - would have been something to talk about. I guess too that, in the absence of too many opponents, Wales would have been regarded - both quaintly and politely - as of near equal stature to England and worthy of considerable respect. I bet old Crad dined out on that trip to Huddersfield for many a year.
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Post by Jon on Feb 21, 2013 22:52:57 GMT
I suspect Crad Evans made just the one Welsh amateur international appearance. Wales don't appear to have played anybody other than England before the Great War and it looks like you've tracked down all of their games during that period. Amateur internationals were pretty new back then and there would have been great interest after the amateur fall out of a few years previously. Certainly too the involvement of big names such as Vivian Woodward - not to be confused with the similarly-named fashion designer - would have added a certain allure and credence to the occasions. I also suspect that, for reasons of social class, the games would have received considerable coverage in the posh papers. Which means that the presence of an international footballer in Torquay sporting circles - Welsh, amateur or otherwise - would have been something to talk about. I guess too that, in the absence of too many opponents, Wales would have been regarded - both quaintly and politely - as of near equal stature to England and worthy of considerable respect. I bet old Crad dined out on that trip to Huddersfield for many a year. I'm sure that you are right on the solitary cap. Mind you, I am equally sure that is one more than Henri Camanzindi and Harold Tabernacle put together. Vivian Woodward had of course led Team GB to Olympic gold two years earlier - and would do so again two years later.
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Post by Jon on May 15, 2014 22:15:19 GMT
Welsh Newspapers Online finally tells us who Crad played for before moving to Torquay in the summer of 1905. Rhyl Record and Advertiser — 11 February 1905
BROUGHTON TOO GOOD FOR TRANMERE
Tranmere were the visitors at Brougbton on Saturday. At the opening the Rovers defended well. A penalty was given against them and Caradog Evans safely converted.Broughton United played in the Combination League for three seasons 1903 to 1906. The 1904/05 season (Crad's last) was to be their best - finishing third behind Wrexham and Chester, but ahead of another future Football League club Tranmere Rovers. The league table is here: www.chester-city.co.uk/fixtures_04-05.asp
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 22:29:08 GMT
Rhyl Record and Advertiser — 11 February 1905
BROUGHTON TOO GOOD FOR TRANMERE
Tranmere were the visitors at Brougbton on Saturday. At the opening the Rovers defended well. A penalty was given against them and Caradog Evans safely converted. So was Crad a North Walian? It's certainly a northern-dominated Welsh Amateur XI - I'm guessing the FAW was based in Wrexham back then. It certainly was for a long time to come. Broughton, assuming it's the one in Flintshire, is Welsh but only by a mile. These days Crad might be playing for Airbus UK in the Europa League. Come to think of it, I'm sure I've heard it said that Michael Owen - a more recent footballer from that locality - wasn't fit to lace old Crad's boots.
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Post by Jon on May 17, 2014 10:42:36 GMT
So was Crad a North Walian? Broughton, assuming it's the one in Flintshire, is Welsh but only by a mile. Crad was born and bred in Wrexham. His brother Bob was an extremely famous goalkeeper with Wrexham, Blackburn Rovers and Wales. He later spent four years at Southern League Coventry City - which explains how City came to visit Plainmoor for a friendly at Easter 1913. More about Bob, which mentions brother Crad, on the link below. This, as does the Broughton clipping, says Caradog rather than Caradoc. www.zen139857.zen.co.uk/EVANS_Robert_Owen.pdfI'm pretty sure that Broughton United were not from the Flintshire Broughton where Airbus UK now play, but from the Denbighshire village of Pentre Broughton or New Broughton which are between Wrexham and Brymbo Steelworks. The steelworks would have been a massive employer at the time, so classic "football territory". Broughton United were in the Denbighshire League before joining the Combination. wfda.co.uk/leagues_denbigh.php?season_id=5
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2014 15:02:18 GMT
I suspect Jon might be right about Broughton, Denbighshire. Boundaries are quite different in North East Wales these days but the Denbighshire League of Edwardian times appears to have covered the industrial area around Wrexham and the borderlands to the south. Good footballing country with coal as well as steel.
The area dominated the early days of organised Welsh football. Druids and Chirk AAA were the leading clubs alongside Wrexham; Billy Meredith one of the great players of the time.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 10:11:31 GMT
It didn't dawn upon me immediately but the post I made on this thread yesterday was done but a handful of miles from where Crad Evans played for Wales. Alas, there was nothing to record that occasion in the otherwise excellent Colne Valley museum.
Do we know why Crad moved to South Devon in the first place? The centenary history suggests he arrived in 1904 when he would have been little more than twenty-years-old. Jon puts it as a year later and the match report from the Rhyl newspaper adds credence to this. Jon has also previously informed us that Crad worked as a piano tuner.
So did Crad move south primarily to play football or tune pianos? Was there an affair of the heart? Maybe he was on the run from something or somebody? Good grief, I trust Crad wasn't an archetypal Edwardian cad or scoundrel. There's a novel here somewhere.
If it was purely to tune the pianos of the great and good of Torquay it was a lucky windfall for football in the area. In that way I can see Crad as a genuine amateur. At least initially. But was he a gentleman? Or an artisan? A man, perhaps, who worked for a living and played football on the side or as a hobby.
Yet, if he moved specifically to play football, that casts the affair in a different light. That indicates a degree of semi-professionalism which includes scouting of players from afar. That would have been happening in other towns at the time - Plymouth and Exeter no doubt included - but Torquay? This, in turn, would make Crad's eventual inclusion in the Welsh Amateur XI somewhat contentious. An example of shamateurism? Jon's revelation that Crad had been playing for Broughton United in The Combination rather hints at professionalism to me.
Of course, even if Crad had moved to Torquay as a genuine amateur, he may have been earning money from football by the time he played in that amateur international. All told I reckon it's a dodgy selection and I fear Crad was an "under-the-counter merchant". This, I accept, may be a partisan, unfounded view from the Babbacombe side of the fence. Jon, who possibly knows far more, may be moved to defend Crad's honour and reputation.
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Post by Jon on May 18, 2014 10:52:34 GMT
www.piano-tuners.org/history/piano-tuner-history.htmlSocial StandingThe tuner would appear to have been working in the factory yet not regarded as a factory worker. A plate in Wainwright's book on the Broadwood company [15] shows a tuner at work in Broadwood's factory in 1842. He wears what would appear to be far smarter clothes than the other men at work in the picture; although he is wearing an apron, he wears a dark jacket over the top and rather than the caps worn by the others, he has a top hat sitting on top of what appears to be a frock coat folded neatly on an adjacent stool. This would imply that his day could be spent both inside and outside the factory, rather than the modern day practice of employing both in-house tuners and out-working tuners. Another picture in Ehrlich's book The Piano [16] shows a smart, dapper gentleman in a frock coat and smart shiny shoes tuning a cabinet piano - a very tall instrument around six feet high. Generally, the tuner in the Victorian/Edwardian age seems to have been regarded as something of a gentleman, since they were neither fish nor fowl when it came to class: they were a breed apart within the factory - on the factory floor, yet not of it; they were tradesmen yet often came to the front door and conversed freely with the lady of the house (and occasionally with the man of the house) since they were working on one of the most prized possessions in the home.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 11:16:06 GMT
The piano tuner as a Gentleman. That sounds ideal for Crad.
"Gentlemen" were able to play their sport, strictly for expenses you understand, and retain their amateur status.
The "lesser ranks" were not afforded that privilege. Consequently it's just possible there may not have been too many colliers or steel workers in that Welsh Amateur XI.
Where Crad attended school may also be of significance but, already on Jon's evidence, it looks like "case dismissed".
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Post by Jon on May 18, 2014 22:30:26 GMT
Jon has also previously informed us that Crad worked as a piano tuner. So did Crad move south primarily to play football or tune pianos? When Torquay got to Wembley in 1989 (25 years ago? Surely not!), the Western Morning News rang me to double-check some info on the 1911 Devon Senior Cup as they had interviewed "Torquay United's oldest fan" who could remember back as far as 1911. It turned out he lived not far from me - near the Old Brewery in Ellacombe. So I popped around for a chat. I wish I knew as much then as I do now about TUFC - there are loads of questions I could have asked which will never be answered. But he did tell me that Crad was a piano tuner. I have no reason at all to doubt what I was told, but I would love to find some documentary evidence to back it up. Crad certainly wouldn't have moved down for the football. Ellacombe were T&D L at the time, so there is no way they would have paid even expenses. Im sure he ended up picking up a few quid from Argyle, Exeter and Torquay Town in expenses. I would have thought that class-wise, he would certainly have been working class, but skilled / artisan working class. He arrived in Torquay in the cricket season and did not head for the toffs' club - Torquay CC. He signed up for Ellacombe CC - a far more socially-inclusive organisation, who played their games at Plainmoor. He did rub shoulders there with Rev Percy Baker (the man who saved Plainmoor from the builders in 1909) and Rev TL Kember. Rev Baker put up a new bat for the first Ellacombe player to hit a fifty in 1905. Crad won it and went on to a century against HMS Britannia at Dartmouth.I would imagine it was these cricketing contacts that led him towards Ellacombe FC rather than Torquay United.
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