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Post by Jon on May 18, 2014 22:34:05 GMT
Where Crad attended school may also be of significance The British School in Wrexham. Nothing too grand there. British schools were set up to provide education for the masses on non-sectarian principles, as opposed to "Church of England" schools.
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Post by Jon on May 18, 2014 22:48:02 GMT
So did Crad move south primarily to play football or tune pianos? genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Tormoham/TorquayTrade1911.htmlThe 1911 trade directory lists five piano merchants in Torquay. Sounds like two of them may well have had Welsh roots. PIANO MERCHANTS, MUSIC SELLERS.Heaviside Chas, 27 Torwood Street. MORGAN G., 26 Union Street. PAISH AND CO., 78-79, Fleet Street. ROSSNER H., 62 Union Street. Thomas Mrs. m. F., 20 Tor Hill Road Torquay would always have had a lot of rich folk with pianos but I suspect that by 1905 the growing middle classes (bankers, teachers, etc.) were getting in on the act. A lot of pianos that needed tuning!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2014 6:59:33 GMT
Crad certainly wouldn't have moved down for the football. Ellacombe were T&D L at the time, so there is no way they would have paid even expenses. Im sure he ended up picking up a few quid from Argyle, Exeter and Torquay Town in expenses. I would have thought that class-wise, he would certainly have been working class, but skilled / artisan working class. I guess that's what I would have expected. There was far more geographical mobility at that time than is often appreciated and Torquay, already a sizeable town, was continuing to grow. Many a young man would have moved to the town and continued his sporting activities. You imagine Crad would have known he could carry on his football - cricket too by all accounts - and he turned out to be good enough to quickly rise to local prominence. It's also possible that, amongst a greater array of players around Wrexham, he realised he wasn't quite talented enough to make it as a professional. Consequently it wasn't as if he was missing out on a promising football career by moving to Torquay. That's speculation but, at the very least, he turned out to be a fair old "catch" for football in the town. Do we know if he spent the rest of his life in Torquay? Does he have descendants in the area? John Evans the footballing bowls player? That would be a cracking story but I'm sure it would have emerged by now. How Crad was selected for the Welsh Amateur XI is another intriguing question. I'm doubtful he was scouted although the idea of a couple of selectors wrangling a weekend in Torquay isn't entirely implausible. Maybe it was by word of mouth; through a network of players and officials; or even as a result of Crad putting his name forward on a trip home. The captain played for Llandrindod. There would have been plenty of piano tuners there. We don't actually know much about the Welsh Amateur XI. Maybe it was class-based and slightly old-school tie. Perhaps it wasn't like that at all and selection was purely on the basis of those players known not to be professionally contracted. What we do know is that the team wasn't very good and didn't play that often. The team was northern dominated - but there were occasional players from South Wales - and changed greatly between seasons. Crad wouldn't have been alone as a "one cap wonder". But what's important is that Crad didn't arrive in Torquay as a Welsh amateur international; he became one when he was there. That must have ensured his status as something of a local hero.
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Post by Jon on May 22, 2014 22:02:22 GMT
1911 England Census about Peter C Evans Name: Peter C Evans Age in 1911: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Male Birth Place: Wrexham, Denbighshire Civil Parish: Tormoham County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: 97 Windsor Road, Torquay Marital Status: Single Occupation: Piano Mechanic Registration district: Newton Abbot Registration District Number: 272 Sub-registration district: Torquay ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Household schedule number: 41 Piece: 12777 Household Members: Name Age Albert E Gitsham 48 Annie Gitsham 39 Peter C Evans 26 Edith L Short 25
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Post by Jon on May 22, 2014 22:09:41 GMT
1901 Wales Census about Peter Evans Name: Peter Evans Age in 1901: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Evans Mother's name: Annie Evans Gender: Male Where born: Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales Civil Parish: Wrexham Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles and St Mark Town: Wrexham County/Island: Denbighshire Country: Wales Street address: 17 Earle Street, Wrexham Condition as to marriage: single Employment status: worker Occupation: pianoforte tuner Registration district: Wrexham Sub-registration district: Wrexham ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 17A Piece: 5224 Folio: 80 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age John Evans 55 Annie Evans 48 Thomas Evans 26 David Evans 23 John Lloyd Evans 19 Robert Evans 21 Peter Evans 17 Crystal Jane 9
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Post by Jon on May 22, 2014 22:13:49 GMT
I expect it was getting a little overcrowded at 13 Earle Street!
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Post by Jon on May 22, 2014 22:14:00 GMT
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Peter C Evans Name: Peter C Evans Birth Date: abt 1884 Date of Registration: Jun 1949 Age at Death: 65 Registration district: Totnes Inferred County: Devon Volume: 7a Page: 784
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 8:48:37 GMT
Excellent research. When shall we start discussing the possibility of placing a yellow plaque at 97 Windsor Road?
I believe the Totnes registration district would have covered Paignton and Brixham at the time of Crad's death.
Earle Street looks a decent part of Wrexham. Artisan territory I'd wager.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 20:41:13 GMT
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Peter C Evans Name: Peter C Evans Birth Date: abt 1884 Date of Registration: Jun 1949 Age at Death: 65 Registration district: Totnes Inferred County: Devon Volume: 7a Page: 784 . Good Evans! There's a piano tuner operating from Stoke Gabriel called Nick Evans.
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Post by Jon on May 24, 2014 8:25:30 GMT
Excellent research. When shall we start discussing the possibility of placing a yellow plaque at 97 Windsor Road? Looking at the map, it is the part of Windsor Road nearest to Plainmoor - where the road curves round. So did Crad come to Torquay, find lodgings at Windsor Road and sign for Ellacombe because it was the club on his doorsteep? Or did he originally live somewhere else and move lodgings to be as close to Plainmoor as possible? The other star of Torquay Town Gerry Deane lived just around the corner at Bronshill House. I wonder whether Crad tuned the Deane family piano.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 13:45:55 GMT
Did Crad end his days running a boarding house in Paignton?
The 1935 Kelly's Devon Directory has a Peter Evans running a boarding house at 18 Norman Road, Paignton. A later edition amends this to 8 Norman Road as do post-war editions of Kelly's Torquay and Paignton directory.
For 1946 and 1948/49 the reference is to Mr and Mrs P.C.Evans; by 1951 it's P.C.Evans (Mrs). We know Crad died in 1949.
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Post by Jon on May 29, 2014 21:32:02 GMT
Did Crad end his days running a boarding house in Paignton? The 1935 Kelly's Devon Directory has a Peter Evans running a boarding house at 18 Norman Road, Paignton. A later edition amends this to 8 Norman Road as do post-war editions of Kelly's Torquay and Paignton directory. For 1946 and 1948/49 the reference is to Mr and Mrs P.C.Evans; by 1951 it's P.C.Evans (Mrs). We know Crad died in 1949. Great stuff Barty. Ocean Haze Guest House now. That's another blue plaque we need. I imagine they have an antique piano and a display cabinet with Crad's Welsh cap in it. Box of Crad's scrapbooks in the loft.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 11:33:13 GMT
Do we know if Crad's death was acknowledged by the club or the local press? If he died in 1949 that would be twenty-five years after the end of his time as manager of Torquay United. I guess, by then, that is how he'd chiefly be remembered. A sort of Mike Green figure to modern eyes (but with an association going deeper and further back).
I can't remember any of us commenting upon the announcement of Crad's death in any of Timbo's programmes featured on this site. That may be because it might have happened during the summer months but, quickly checking through several of Timbo's gems, I can see no mention of Crad's passing.
Times have changed. It would be sad and unfortunate if Crad did pass unremembered. Nowadays there's a greater tendency towards commemoration. Recently I was at a game where there was a minute's applause (I prefer silence myself) for a player who'd played sixty times for the local club sixty years ago. He was born in the area so may have had relatives who'd informed the club. I churlishly wasn't sure he was "worthy" and cynically pondered whether it was stage-managed to add piquancy to an already big occasion. I'm sure that's unfair of me; cast me unto the wilderness for daring to think such thoughts. You may, of course, contend that it was a simple, laudable recognition of an unsung player from a half-forgotten era.
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Post by stefano on May 30, 2014 13:29:17 GMT
Reading through the posts of Barton Downs and Jon on various threads makes me realise that approaching my 52nd season I have actually learned very little about the club!
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 16:00:17 GMT
I've had a look today at Norman Road, Paignton. The evens side is a terrace of three-storey houses which are typically "South Coast". Ideal for the business of boarding and probably relatively new when Mr and Mrs P.C.Evans started trading in the early 1930s.
No joy with the Paignton Western Guardian for the time around Crad's death. In truth it's more of a Totnes and Buckfastleigh chronicle as opposed to a paper of record for all matters Paigntonian. Plenty about Buckfastleigh Rangers as well as the punch-ups which occurred when Harry Pollitt, the Communist leader, came to speak at Dartmouth and Dartington.
A cursory look for Crad at Colley End cemetery but no luck.
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