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Post by chelstongull on Nov 17, 2013 15:11:05 GMT
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Post by Jon on Nov 17, 2013 16:13:57 GMT
the club ALWAYS sell or release the better players believing that they will easily be replaced and things will tick along nicely. We have done it so many times now that I always expect failure after success. Its just a continuing game of snakes and ladders - sell your main assets to survive and you end up sliding down the ladder and back to square one. Its a policy that is destined to fail.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_SisyphusChapter 4: The Myth of Sisyphus In the last chapter, Camus outlines the legend of Sisyphus who defied the gods and put Death in chains so that no human needed to die. When Death was eventually liberated and it came time for Sisyphus himself to die, he concocted a deceit which let him escape from the underworld. Finally captured, the gods decided on his punishment for all eternity. He would have to push a rock up a mountain; upon reaching the top, the rock would roll down again, leaving Sisyphus to start over. Camus sees Sisyphus as the absurd hero who lives life to the fullest, hates death, and is condemned to a meaningless task. Camus presents Sisyphus's ceaseless and pointless toil as a metaphor for modern lives spent working at futile jobs in factories and offices. "The workman of today works every day in his life at the same tasks, and this fate is no less absurd. But it is tragic only at the rare moments when it becomes conscious." Camus is interested in Sisyphus' thoughts when marching down the mountain, to start anew. This is the truly tragic moment, when the hero becomes conscious of his wretched condition. He does not have hope, but "there is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn." Acknowledging the truth will conquer it; Sisyphus, just like the absurd man, keeps pushing. Camus claims that when Sisyphus acknowledges the futility of his task and the certainty of his fate, he is freed to realize the absurdity of his situation and to reach a state of contented acceptance. With a nod to the similarly cursed Greek hero Oedipus, Camus concludes that "all is well," indeed, that "one must imagine Sisyphus happy."
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Post by gullone on Nov 17, 2013 16:23:05 GMT
Get down to OVERACHIEVERS R US before its too late ! There is a very good one working in Walsall at the moment. I'm pretty sure Smiffy (assuming thats who you mean) wouldnt be interested, though it's interesting to note, on his watch Walsall had 2 relegation battles followed by what looked like a third one, with a run of 16 without a win before going on a hot streak that almost got them to the playoffs. In fact, his first full season in charge had a run of 2 wins from the start of September through to mid February (29 games in total!!). And we thought our run was bad??? In my own way i was reffering to Mr Martin Ling who i believe is working with Dean Smith at Walsall at the moment.
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Post by petef on Nov 17, 2013 17:05:23 GMT
the club ALWAYS sell or release the better players believing that they will easily be replaced and things will tick along nicely. We have done it so many times now that I always expect failure after success. Its just a continuing game of snakes and ladders - sell your main assets to survive and you end up sliding down the ladder and back to square one. Its a policy that is destined to fail.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_SisyphusChapter 4: The Myth of Sisyphus In the last chapter, Camus outlines the legend of Sisyphus who defied the gods and put Death in chains so that no human needed to die. When Death was eventually liberated and it came time for Sisyphus himself to die, he concocted a deceit which let him escape from the underworld. Finally captured, the gods decided on his punishment for all eternity. He would have to push a rock up a mountain; upon reaching the top, the rock would roll down again, leaving Sisyphus to start over. Camus sees Sisyphus as the absurd hero who lives life to the fullest, hates death, and is condemned to a meaningless task. Camus presents Sisyphus's ceaseless and pointless toil as a metaphor for modern lives spent working at futile jobs in factories and offices. "The workman of today works every day in his life at the same tasks, and this fate is no less absurd. But it is tragic only at the rare moments when it becomes conscious." Camus is interested in Sisyphus' thoughts when marching down the mountain, to start anew. This is the truly tragic moment, when the hero becomes conscious of his wretched condition. He does not have hope, but "there is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn." Acknowledging the truth will conquer it; Sisyphus, just like the absurd man, keeps pushing. Camus claims that when Sisyphus acknowledges the futility of his task and the certainty of his fate, he is freed to realize the absurdity of his situation and to reach a state of contented acceptance. With a nod to the similarly cursed Greek hero Oedipus, Camus concludes that "all is well," indeed, that "one must imagine Sisyphus happy." Nice reference Jon - I believe I am fast aproaching that very point when I will come to realise the futility of our task and the certainty of our fate, and will soon be free to realise the absurdity of the clubs situation and to reach a state of contented acceptance. At which point I will commit suicide and leave those in control to keep pushing that rock up the mountain!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 17:34:17 GMT
Chapter 4: The Myth of SisyphusA fine classical tale from Jon. I’ve been feeling rather like Sisyphus really. Will it soon be time to reconcile ourselves with a change of circumstances? Would that release us all from drudgery? A trip up the Waterloo line to Woking as a lesser ordeal than that bloody mountain yet again? Stop it! Put such negative thoughts to one side.
Meanwhile Jon amply illustrates the benefits of a traditional education by the way he draws upon Sisyphus. Here indeed are two young classicists taking a break from their studies at Shiphay Manor. Play up and play the game, Mr_W!
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Post by JamesB on Nov 17, 2013 17:52:39 GMT
So much for BTPIR being the "intellectual" forum - we get Camus on the TFF
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Post by chelstongull on Nov 17, 2013 19:34:43 GMT
Rumours are rife in Paignton last night of Knill been given three matches to turn things 'round. Sure there was a smiley here?Or what? A rumour in Paignton does not a sacking make. It's a rumour from Paignton, not feckin' Watergate.
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Post by Rags on Nov 17, 2013 20:22:32 GMT
With a nod to the similarly cursed Greek hero Oedipus, Camus concludes that "all is well," indeed, that "one must imagine Sisyphus happy." Camus was a goalkeeper. What other conclusion would you expect from a goalkeeper!
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Post by Swanny on Nov 18, 2013 8:53:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 10:55:33 GMT
Goodness, what a difference a week makes! Last time I went away for a week we managed to get four points from two games and things looked on the up. Go away this time ( I didn't mention I was going away this time because I didn't want it to be an anti-climax for anyone when I returned) and we're out of the cup ( a Tom Jones song comes to mind here ) and put in a shite performance against Chesterfield! So, is the rumour true about Knill being given a number of games to turn things around? If it is, he's already one third of the way out the door. Lose next week against Accrington (have we ever won there) and the knives will certainly be sharpened and being aimed at Knill's back at the Plymouth match! Ironic that his last game-I mean his last chance-at TUFC is against the old enemy...writing on the wall perchance? If Knill should go though, who the bloody hell can we get to replace him...Greavsie...mad dog...that guy that was favourite before Ling snuck in under the radar...never dull supporting TUFC is it?
Oh, as a foot note: I caught Sisyphus once!
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Post by rjdgull on Nov 23, 2013 9:43:15 GMT
Had to be in Exeter for ten to six last Saturday so perhaps entirely appropriate that I left early (injury time) and legged it to the car as couldn't get out of Plainmoor fast enough!
I suppose the big disappointment for me is our home form at the moment which is diabolical and why we are in the do-da at the moment. Like Jon I missed the one Ray of light in the Cheltenham game in this depressing season and maybe we ought to make a Faustian pact to watch Exeter and Plymouth until our luck changes!!!!!
Also, being where we are I want to see us scrape in a never say die attitude and after building up some pressure well. A cross to Downes should have been cleared or passed back to RIce but was mis-controlled and span out to their forward for a free shot to the edge of the area. Then, a couple of minutes later - was it Pearce? An intercepted pass, some good footwork and game over - way,way too easy for Chesterfield.
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Post by petef on Nov 23, 2013 11:31:34 GMT
Jak McCourt s pass sideways led to the second Rob.
Oh by the way I haven't been able to use smilies or vote for best poster is there a reason its all dissapeared?
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Nov 23, 2013 11:38:38 GMT
Had to be in Exeter for ten to six last Saturday so perhaps entirely appropriate that I left early (injury time) and legged it to the car as couldn't get out of Plainmoor fast enough! I suppose the big disappointment for me is our home form at the moment which is diabolical and why we are in the do-da at the moment. Like Jon I missed the one Ray of light in the Cheltenham game in this depressing season and maybe we ought to make a Faustian pact to watch Exeter and Plymouth until our luck changes!!!!! Also, being where we are I want to see us scrape in a never say die attitude and after building up some pressure well. A cross to Downes should have been cleared or passed back to RIce but was mis-controlled and span out to their forward for a free shot to the edge of the area. Then, a couple of minutes later - was it Pearce? An intercepted pass, some good footwork and game over - way,way too easy for Chesterfield. Rob, the first goal was a cross that Pearce called for but then missed the header. Downesy was that close he had no time to react to the missed header heance it spun off his boot instead of reaching the halfway line. The second came from a pass by McCourt into space for the opponent to run on to. Just a couple of individual minor errors that we got punished for (sad smiley)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 12:02:08 GMT
Ditmar van Nostrilboy Indeed, Pearce seems to be in two minds whether to use his head, his knee or his foot, misses it with everything and the ball hits Downes on the leg and the rest is history.
The thing that confuses me about that goal however, is the positioning of Nathan Craig. Facing a throw in from a dangerous position (level with the edge of our penalty area) was he of most use doubling up with Manse to help mark one opponent ?. The Chesterfield player taking the throw is consequently unmarked when getting the ball tapped back to him and has time to measure an unhurried decent cross. Although Craig belatedly moves in an attempt to cut things out, it's too late and the cross is delivered.
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Post by rjdgull on Nov 23, 2013 13:01:11 GMT
Fair enough guys, as I am trying to forget last week's match then will take your word for it!
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