petef
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Post by petef on Dec 2, 2013 22:38:03 GMT
Of course that's what people will do eventually, stop going faced with the prospect of little change and you can be sure the board understand this.
We have seen it so many times before it eventually happens when the standard is so poor though I freely admit I kept going and paying my dues during every other crisis so why stop now?
Threatening them is totally pointless though they are supporters like ourselves only they invest large sums of money as well as feeling exactly the same emotional turmoil anger and frustration as we "ordinary" supporters on the terraces.
Why would any one want to force their hand by staying away?
Hit them where it hurts? Come on James you surely must know that's self defeating and just serves to create even more of a problem. Your talking as if its "them and us" when we all of us want exactly the same thing.
Only they can decide when enough is enough and take some sort of action but what ever they do decide will be a gamble, the wrong decision could put the existence of the club in jeopardy so is it any wonder that they are taking there time and giving Knill every chance to put it right. There will no doubt be a tipping point and I don't doubt for one minute it has been discussed in the board room and conveyed to the manager. Just because they are not publicising their views you believe they are doing nothing and saying nothing I doubt if that idea could be further from the truth.
So yes go on take a way your support from the people that saved the club in the first place and who are arguably the biggest and best supporters of all I'm certain they won't miss anyone who stays away in "protest" and they will no doubt continue to struggle to keep the club afloat for as long as they can and until the final few supporters drift away and we are eventually left with an overgrown and abandoned stadium with a lovely stand on one side.
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JamesB
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Post by JamesB on Dec 2, 2013 23:11:47 GMT
this board is thinking right now is via the balance sheet - if money is indeed what they mostly care about, the best way to force them to make a change is to hit them where it hurts If money was what they cared most about, they wouldn't have chucked millions at a football club for no return, would they? The change they might make if backed into a corner is to stop throwing more money at it. I expect that the depth of real support from our loyal fan base is what would make them loathe to do that. I doubt if any of them are thinking about the "balance sheet". It's a lack of cash that kills a business, not a balance of assets and liabilities. If there is not enough to pay the wages, it is put up or shut down time. This is the real world with real money - not some kind of clever numbers game. You can't talk about forcing charity donors to donate in the same way as forcing capitalist profit-takers to reduce their profit margins. I have no doubt that they care about the club. But surely if money was no object, they'd have sacked Knill by now, wouldn't they? That's the point I'm getting at - if the argument is that we "can't afford" to sack Knill, then we as a fanbase could (if we wanted to) force them to act by forcing a situation wheren it's unaffordable to keep him on I wouldn't support this, by the way. Twoleftfeet might now think he has an ally in me but I'm not - I doubt we'd be more likely to win next Saturday with a different manager in charge. I'll be there at the next home game |
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Post by Jon on Dec 2, 2013 23:28:12 GMT
But surely if money was no object, they'd have sacked Knill by now, wouldn't they? That's the point I'm getting at - if the argument is that we "can't afford" to sack Knill, then we as a fanbase could (if we wanted to) force them to act by forcing a situation wheren it's unaffordable to keep him on If all fans were like you,you could force them to "act" indeed. If there were no fans attending matches, they would have to call in the liquidators. Fortunately, there WILL still be fans. Just how many stick at it in tough times will determine the club's future. You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that the directors are legally or morally obliged to chuck more money in - the less the fans contribute, the more they will have to pay out of their own pockets. That isn't how it works. As for "if money was no object", we would not be bottom of the league if that were the case would we? |
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Post by twoleftfeet on Dec 3, 2013 1:10:09 GMT
I'm not looking for an ally JamesB. It's just the way I feel about things at the moment and the performances haven't given me cause for hope.
What options do the club have? Stick with Knill and a realistic chance of relegation or sack him and look to someone else who might, just might keep us up. If they stick with Knill it the cost to the club in money terms will be far more. I do appreciate that they have already invested a sizeable amount of money but we are on a slippery slope and I can't see a way out of it other than a change of manager or perhaps someone to work alongside Knill at little or no cost to help us out. I hope that if an offer of help came our way that the board would swallow their pride and accept it because we need it.
I disagree with you about not winning with a different manager. Knill is clutching at straws and looks devoid of ideas on how to turn it around. A fresh viewpoint, different formation and tactics may be all we need. They can't all be bad players at the club and it may just need a bit of tweeking.
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Post by forestgull on Dec 4, 2013 11:34:34 GMT
Fair comment Forest but you really dont need to shout  |
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Post by forestgull on Dec 4, 2013 11:41:16 GMT
Sorry....DVN,I was really shocked by how poor we were.
But we've seen it all before, we attend the away games and never expect much.
Will we stop going............no.
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Dec 4, 2013 14:15:34 GMT
That comment proves my point. Plymouth on the day were poor. I'm sure they have had better performances and I do not thinkmit doers our team a disservice. We are a poor side at the moment. In which reality does that prove your point?? Plymouth did not look a poor side. They might not have looked as effective as Oxford or Chesterfield but they certainly looked a cut above Mansfield, Cheltenham, AFCW etc. As pointed out, they have the meanest defence outside the top 3, with probably the best keeper in the division yet we took the lead only to be pegged back by a penalty. Over the 90 minutes, we looked the better side because we played well, not because they were poor. Saah didn't find a club until the very last. He had nothing sorted when he left Torquay. Im well aware that Bri didnt have a deal sorted before leaving here, that why If its because you want a better quality of family life then thats good enough reason to turn down a contract. Given Bri also had other offers in the summer but picked Daggers (because its near his family) would indicate it's bugger all to do with who's the manager. |
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Post by twoleftfeet on Dec 4, 2013 17:34:32 GMT
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Dec 4, 2013 17:49:06 GMT
And you base the fact that Plymouth are a cut above Mansfield, Cheltenham, AFCW etc is based on what? how they performed against us or your experience as a football fan? Probably because I have seen the matches and can make a judgement on what looks like a good (Oxford), midtable (Gargs) or poor (Hartlepool) team? |
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