petef
Match Room Manager
Posts: 4,626
|
Post by petef on Feb 12, 2014 10:35:22 GMT
An honest and fair assessment from Greavsy on the main site saw at as we all saw it and though completely correct with regards to their first goal the ref should have stopped play for a potential serious injury and in my opinion a dangerous, through man and ball challenge that would have seen action from many other referees. He failed to deal with that one and many other dangerous challenges throughout the game which caused an awful lot of bad feeling throughout the match and could easily have boiled over at times. We lost the game in the first ten minutes there was no coming back from two down although I thought the effort was there the application in general was not. Northampton were nothing special but got their tactics spot on and applied themselves for the entire match whilst we forgot the basics from the start, DON'T CONCEDE EARLY, end of . Stockley, Pearce and Chappell the best of the bunch followed by O'Conner , Goodwin looks like he will be a good player one day and shows flashes of pace and quality but one day isnt now and even looking hard at the bench I couldnt see any inspiration that could change the pattern against a very physical and basic side.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 11:09:10 GMT
Defensive mistakes costing us again it seems...both on the left! Mansell at right back! Please don't say it's because he has to play somewhere in the team. I thought that Hargreaves was a lot stronger than that Reg, we looked pretty solid on our right side compared to the left (yet again). Manse might not have been spectacular but he was pretty firm defensively. Ask yourself how much danger came from our right side? Very little (one half chance in each half by my count?) compared to the left side. You pretty much expect bandwagon jumping elsewhere, sad to see it happening so often here.
I'm afraid I can't ask myself how much danger came from our right side Ditmar for two reasons: 1} I live between 7 hours and ten days away from TQ1...depending on traffic, and 2} I'm sat here with a shinny brand new hip which is causing me so much gip, I doubt I will ever be well enough to watch a TUFC game again!
I've always thought Mans has done a good job at RB when asked to play there and I wasn't questioning the fact that he played there. I was questioning the fact that was he in the team solely because he was Lee Mansell ( and had to play somewhere ) or was he replacing an injured player?
Remind me again who plays on the left side!
|
|
|
Post by bristolgull on Feb 12, 2014 11:16:03 GMT
If Tonge was not injured I do find the decision to play Mansell at right back a strange one, as Tonge was very good at Pompey. However, I'm sure CH had his reasons. Wouldn't it be just like us to lose to Northampton and then go away to chesterfield and win?! Here's hoping!!
|
|
|
Post by Swanny on Feb 12, 2014 16:57:47 GMT
I can think of an instance early on in the game when Mansell was beaten so easily it was embarrassing. Someone behind me said he might as well have a traffic cone he was so statuesque! His distribution throughout the entire match was appalling to such an extent that vitually everything Mansell did went wrong e.g. to the opposition or out of touch. For the record, I like Mansell playing in midfield and I used to like him at right back in the Buckle era. But I hope never to see Mansell playing right back again for us, give it to a dedicated right back like Tonge or O'Connor.
To answer the question above, it was Mansell who was captain last night. I think it's time to give the job to Ladbadie as I don't think Mansell should be an automatic starter. And Ladbadie didn't do a bad job at Portsmouth, did he?
|
|
Rob
TFF member
Posts: 3,607
Favourite Player: Asa Hall
|
Post by Rob on Feb 13, 2014 1:07:43 GMT
If Tonge was not injured I do find the decision to play Mansell at right back a strange one, as Tonge was very good at Pompey. However, I'm sure CH had his reasons. Wouldn't it be just like us to lose to Northampton and then go away to chesterfield and win?! Here's hoping!! Have read elsewhere that Tonge hadn't trained much in the run up, having had a niggle that would have rendered him 50:50 for the postponed Bury game. That said - and I appreciate this thinking has become somewhat fashionable of late - our full backs last night were not good enough and I agree with Swanny that Labadie should be made Captain. Labadie and Lathrope are 'starters' for me. Of the positions Mansell might fit into where a starting eleven with 3 central midfielders and right back are utilised, he is also behind in my pecking order, Harding, Cooper, Craig, Tonge, O'Connor, Cruise and most likely, Rudge.
|
|
|
Post by bristolgull on Feb 13, 2014 10:41:00 GMT
Having watched the goals on tv, they don't make for good viewing! Who should line up in defence this weekend? If Cooper was fit I'd put him in at left back but I believe he's likely to be out again? Of the players we have available I would restore Tonge to full back and keep Pearce and O'Connor in the middle. At left back, I don't think there is a lot to choose between Nicholson and cruise. Nico May edge it purely because of his experience? Where does this leave Mansell? The bench? I think there are better players ahead of him in midfield...big decision for CH.
|
|
rjdgull
TFF member
Admin
Posts: 12,227
|
Post by rjdgull on Feb 13, 2014 12:34:39 GMT
Rudge can play at full back....?
|
|
Rob
TFF member
Posts: 3,607
Favourite Player: Asa Hall
|
Post by Rob on Feb 13, 2014 12:40:47 GMT
|
|
petef
Match Room Manager
Posts: 4,626
|
Post by petef on Feb 13, 2014 13:20:27 GMT
Reckon the big ask on team selection is both wing back positions. Mans didn't look particularly comfortable or at home on Tuesday and Kev is struggling for form though hardly surprising seeing how many games he was dropped for and the dreadful, running in sand pitches of late. Its always going to be tough for him now against young fresh and speedy wingers. Both wing back positions have been seriously neglected in my view and has been problematic for far to long. Some tend to think that resources spent in that area could be far better spent up front or in the engine room. Well with the amount of chopping and changing and investment in those areas over the last year or so and were still nowhere where we need to be in terms of forward threat would leave me to think that two genuine attacking wing backs may well be an option that would improve our forward threat.Do we have that option in the current squad though? Its VERY easy to blame forwards for lack of goals or goal threat which was hugely apparent on Tuesday but if we create little from wide areas and struggle to break through the middle where you need the "pick a pass" Eunan type to create then we will always starve the front men of chances. Tonge is the best we have at the moment and in all honesty he and Cruise for that matter are not the answer. Cruise is a "I want time on the ball" type of player unsuited to the brash rushed football demands at this level and has done little to convince me he gets the shirt ahead of Nico. We need more pace coming out of defence to get defenders backing off. Remember Gurney and Gibbs anyone?? Saturday may just be an opportunity to experiment a little as nobody gives us an ice cube in hells chance the pressure will be off somewhat. How about Goodwin at wing back with Chapell ahead? and play O'conner on the other side with Bodin or Obrien/ Cameron and Downes and Pearce in the middle. I may be nieve here but we need to do something to get more support to Chapell, (a passing option when he got three defenders on him) who is a genuine threat and get those bloody forward in on goal a bit more.
|
|
Rob
TFF member
Posts: 3,607
Favourite Player: Asa Hall
|
Post by Rob on Feb 13, 2014 13:28:20 GMT
Goodwin as full back is probably taking things a stretch too far I would think, Pete. If Cooper is fit, he gets the shirt for me, but I would have Cruise and, most likely if experimenting, Rudge, over Nico. Oppositions target our left side for good reason, and it's nothing to do with anything other than Nicholson's performances when in the side.
|
|
|
Post by Swanny on Feb 13, 2014 17:32:02 GMT
I can think of an instance early on in the game when Mansell was beaten so easily it was embarrassing. Someone behind me said he might as well have been a traffic cone he was so statuesque! His distribution throughout the entire match was appalling to such an extent that vitually everything Mansell did went wrong e.g. to the opposition or out of touch. For the record, I like Mansell playing in midfield and I used to like him at right back in the Buckle era. But I hope never to see Mansell playing right back again for us, give it to a dedicated right back like Tonge or O'Connor. To answer the question above, it was Mansell who was captain last night. I think it's time to give the job to Ladbadie as I don't think Mansell should be an automatic starter. And Ladbadie didn't do a bad job at Portsmouth, did he? Let's hope Mansell is not right back on Saturday, surely Hargreaves won't try that one again? I quite like Tonge at right back but I was really impressed the other week when O'Connor went there. Offensively he was really good and we need to create / score chances from somewhere. Isn't it pitiful that our joint leading scorer is centre-back Downes who has not even been selected recently.
|
|
Jon
Admin
Posts: 6,912
|
Post by Jon on Feb 13, 2014 23:31:08 GMT
I was desperate for my Plainmoor fix.
Unfortunately it struck me again that sometimes, in the words of Oscar Wilde (or was it one of Whistler's?), "there's only one thing in the world worse than not going to Plainmoor".
The groundstaff did a great job getting the pitch playable after all the rain we've had. The going was inevitably heavy, add in the two worst teams in the division and a classic was highly unlikely.
In some ways it was back to the worst period under Knill. A 4-4-2 outgunned in midfield, daft mistakes at the back, no cutting edge upfront and a seeming lack of confidence. I'm not saying that we weren't trying (as some claimed when we played like that under Knill) but we were lethargic and lacklustre.
Some have said Northampton were bad, but they did what they had to do. They seemed to be more "at it" than we were and they had a striker who produced two quality finishes. Wasn't there a rumour that Knill tried to bring Sinclair to Plainmoor? It's a lot easier running a club that gets well over 4,000 every game and is conveniently located.
So Chris Hargreaves magically transforming our lot into a team of world beaters through sheer enthusiasm probably isn't going to happen after all. I still hope we can dig in and battle our way clear. We'll put in a few shocking performances between now and the end of the season. As long as we mix that up with some decent ones, we can do it. Two wins and two defeats for Mr Hargreaves. Two good performances and two bad ones. Keep that up until the end of the season and we should scrape to safety. It won't be easy and it probably won't be pretty.
|
|
|
Post by loyalgull on Feb 14, 2014 8:23:37 GMT
agree with all that jon,and come may CH will get rid of the rubbish,which there is quite a lot of at plainmoor,he will be ruthless i reckon
|
|
petef
Match Room Manager
Posts: 4,626
|
Post by petef on Feb 14, 2014 12:52:07 GMT
I was desperate for my Plainmoor fix. Unfortunately it struck me again that sometimes, in the words of Oscar Wilde (or was it one of Whistler's?), "there's only one thing in the world worse than not going to Plainmoor". The groundstaff did a great job getting the pitch playable after all the rain we've had. The going was inevitably heavy, add in the two worst teams in the division and a classic was highly unlikely. In some ways it was back to the worst period under Knill. A 4-4-2 outgunned in midfield, daft mistakes at the back, no cutting edge upfront and a seeming lack of confidence. I'm not saying that we weren't trying (as some claimed when we played like that under Knill) but we were lethargic and lacklustre. Some have said Northampton were bad, but they did what they had to do. They seemed to be more "at it" than we were and they had a striker who produced two quality finishes. Wasn't there a rumour that Knill tried to bring Sinclair to Plainmoor? It's a lot easier running a club that gets well over 4,000 every game and is conveniently located. So Chris Hargreaves magically transforming our lot into a team of world beaters through sheer enthusiasm probably isn't going to happen after all. I still hope we can dig in and battle our way clear. We'll put in a few shocking performances between now and the end of the season. As long as we mix that up with some decent ones, we can do it. Two wins and two defeats for Mr Hargreaves. Two good performances and two bad ones. Keep that up until the end of the season and we should scrape to safety. It won't be easy and it probably won't be pretty. It was a gloomy and depressing night in all respects - devoid of atmosphere and reflected perfectly the grey stormy days of this abysmal winter. Had a sort of "in the waiting room to see the dentist" feel to it and when I finally made it to the dentist chair he starts by pulling a couple of teeth out - without anesthetic! Still I have a few teeth left, hopefully enough to see out the season. And rinse.... a reality check that's all it was and nothing was decided on Tuesday. Our struggle to get it right has gone on so long now I am beginning to believe we may just not ever get it right again but we must not stop trying, too many poor to average signings have seen us fall from grace is it any wonder that managers keep going back to the tried and trusted players that have done a job for season after season? The Cruises Hardings etc etc and Craig's were gambles cast off by other clubs for good reason no doubt. Occasionally you get a gem, maybe one in thirty or forty signings you get a really good one,the Okanes or Olejnicks of this world are a rare species in these parts they are virtually impossible to replace. The rest we sign usually turn out to be pretty limited in at least one or two aspects of what is vital to be a top level footballer. In a situation such as ours you eventually arrive at a situation where the whole squad is a confused mishmash muddle of limited or unproven talent some devoid of self belief and confidence but a few that will always give you 100% no matter what their own form is. Somebody had to try and pick up the pieces and Chris Hargreaves has been given that responsibility and its no wonder he is keeping faith with the guys he know will always give him 100% no matter what and I can forgive him easily for that. Two wins and two defeats that's a pretty good record in my eyes far better than four draws and undefeated! A winning three point formula is what what we should be aiming for and if we take the odd defeat or even hammering in between then so be it wins and wins only will get us to safety. Whether we get enough three pointers is the big question history and season form would suggest not but one thing is for sure there has been an improvement in the look of the side and how they are performing so I wont be ordering my new dentures just yet!
|
|
chelstongull
TFF member
Posts: 6,759
Favourite Player: Jason Fowler
|
Post by chelstongull on Feb 14, 2014 15:30:40 GMT
Unfortunately it struck me again that sometimes, in the words of Oscar Wilde (or was it one of Whistler's?), "there's only one thing in the world worse than not going to Plainmoor". James Abbot McNeil Whistler
|
|