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Post by teignmouth54 on Nov 5, 2014 10:08:25 GMT
Following Bournemouth’s rise to the top of the Championship after a run of seven consecutive league and cup victories, I made a brief review of their league history. I had assumed they were original members of division three south but was surprised to find that they were elected to the football league in 1923 after finishing 2nd in the Southern League English Section, when they were known as Boscombe. The club was renamed Bournemouth & Boscombe Athletic the following year. I was even more surprised to discover that Torquay United also applied to join the league in 1923, but received no votes! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1922%E2%80%9323_Southern_Football_LeagueOnly one club applied to join division 3 south from 1924 to 1926 and that was Mid-Rhondda United in 1925, who finished 5th in the Southern League Western Division. Unsurprisingly they received no votes. Torquay United were elected to the Football League in 1927, replacing Aberdare Athletic in somewhat controversial circumstances. According to Wikipedia, Aberdare's loss was controversial, as one ballot paper in the first round had been spoilt and Aberdare's secretary claimed that one of the scrutineers was 'an interested party'. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1926%E2%80%9327_Southern_Football_LeagueBeing popular holiday resorts, Bournemouth and Torquay were rivals in the days of division 3 south generally being on a par with each other. However, when the league was reorganised in 1958, Bournemouth became founder members of division 3 while Torquay found themselves in division 4. Torquay were promoted in 1960, for two seasons only, and I can remember the Friday evening game at Plainmoor in December 1961 when they beat Bournemouth 2-1 with Ernie Pym scoring both goals. At the time Bournemouth were leaders of division 3 and Torquay were 22nd. torquayfans.boards.net/thread/8093/22-12-61-bournemouthBournemouth enjoyed success under John Bond and Harry Redknapp but in 2008/09 they finished 21st in League Two, after being deducted 17 points for failing to satisfy the Football League rules for exiting administration. Following last night’s victory, Bournemouth holds the highest league position in their history. Premiership football maybe a remote possibility but could they cope with a ground capacity of 12,000? On the other hand Torquay United are now at their lowest ebb since they originally joined the football league and it appears that things will get worse before the tide turns. |
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Post by hector on Nov 5, 2014 20:47:24 GMT
Just over 12 years ago (was it really that long?) we beat Bournemouth 4-0 at home. (Gritton 2, Russell, Graham)
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Post by Jon on Nov 5, 2014 22:38:50 GMT
I had assumed they were original members of division three south but was surprised to find that they were elected to the football league in 1923 after finishing 2nd in the Southern League English Section, when they were known as Boscombe. The club was renamed Bournemouth & Boscombe Athletic the following year. I was even more surprised to discover that Torquay United also applied to join the league in 1923, but received no votes! Our rivalry goes back to the Boscombe days. We beat Boscombe in the FA Cup in 1910 (our first season as Town) and they beat us in 1921 (our first season back as United). Boscombe were then the visitors to Plainmoor for our first ever Southern League game in 1922- the last season before their election to the League. The 1970/71 season was the only time they have ever been in a lower league than us - but so key was that time in our history that many still think of them as a team from below us who stole all our players. Enough to make you want to flick v-signs at their team bus. Let's hope they land a huge fee for Eunan O'Kane - enough for the sell-on to plug the holes in our finances for the time being. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 9:47:54 GMT
I see Eunan has only appeared in half of Bournemouth's league games this season.
But he did play - and score - in the recent League Cup win against WBA. Baily Cargill is also playing in League Cup matches.
I'm sure I read Bournemouth made ten changes for the Albion game. Twenty-four players have appeared for the first team this season. That's bound to be a reflection on the strength of the squad as opposed to any shortcomings. Soccerbase says Bournemouth currently have eight players out on loan. This points to massive funding and a massive leap. With that sort of set-up you could almost mistake Bournemouth for a club at the top of the Championship.
Serious finance. Russian. A club that may historically have been seen as 2-3 the times of Torquay United may now be operating on an entirely different plane. To a factor of ten, twenty, more? The comparative figures would be fascinating.
Bournemouth, of course, are still regarded as "small"; a 12,000 capacity ground in a sleepy seaside resort and all that. But wait. Think of all that business about Argyle's potential. How Plymouth is " the largest city in Europe never to have hosted top-flight football". Or something like that. Now tally up the population figures for the area between Poole and Christchurch. Throw in Wimborne and Ferndown and a quick check on Wiki reveals a built-up area of over 450,000 people. For somewhere that's ostensibly similar to Torbay, Bournemouth couldn't be more different. The same now seemingly applies to the football as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 10:57:30 GMT
The 1970/71 season was the only time they have ever been in a lower league than us - but so key was that time in our history that many still think of them as a team from below us who stole all our players. Enough to make you want to flick v-signs at their team bus. i recall reading about this incident on TFF several years ago. Look at the date and it's a sad reflection on how the behaviour of football supporters was rapidly deteriorating in the early 1970s. That was also true of the grammar schools of the time. No wonder fair-minded politicians campaigned for their abolition. It's good to be reminded of the long-standing rivalry between Torquay and Bournemouth. And their predecessor clubs. My train stopped at Templecombe on the way to Aldershot. I think we've discussed the Torquay Town team of 1910 changing trains - and stations - there on the way to Boscombe. I visualised them in their Edwardian splendour using the trollies to take their gear down to the Somerset & Dorset platform. I'm not sure how keen a supporter rivalry it's ever been. Bournemouth has been a popular day out for generations of Torquay United supporters on account of it being one of the shorter trips. A very pleasant one too but never a "high speed" drive. Nor one realistically considered by rail. It may also be the case that we were rather further off the radar of Bournemouth's supporters than visa versa. Were they ever too bothered about us? I'm guessing the 1970s was the height of the rivalry. I may be wrong. Perhaps all those Div 3(S) meetings - thirty years of them - built up something after all. Indeed the regularity of playing the same clubs season after season may have led to a greater number of rivalries anyway. By comparison our recent seasons have resembled ships passing in the night. On Saturday I wondered if it's clubs such as Kidderminster that we'll face the most in the future. In whichever league. My first visit to see Torquay at Bournemouth was in 1969. I certainly considered the trip to Dean Court to be something of an event. But I had a head start. My parents liked Bournemouth; they nearly moved there instead of Torquay. Subsequently, as I've probably mentioned before, I've now managed to watch Torquay United at Dean Court in each decade since the 1960s. This includes the Johnstone's Paint Trophy tie in August 2010. 3-0 to Torquay United on penalties after a goalless draw. They missed their first three; we scored each of ours. Eunan O'Kane playing for us; Harry Arter making an appearance for Bournemouth after recently joining from Woking. A start too for an implausibly young Jayden Stockley; a hot prospect who'd made his debut whilst still at school. I'm glad I was at the game. I'm not sure when we'll next be playing there. |
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Post by Jon on Nov 6, 2014 20:09:23 GMT
My train stopped at Templecombe on the way to Aldershot. I think we've discussed the Torquay Town team of 1910 changing trains - and stations - there on the way to Boscombe. I visualised them in their Edwardian splendour using the trollies to take their gear down to the Somerset & Dorset platform. Not Boscombe. It was to the Gasworks at Branksome. torquayfansforum.co.uk/thread/7731/great-day-out-1910-style |
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Post by hector on Nov 7, 2014 6:50:16 GMT
I see Eunan has only appeared in half of Bournemouth's league games this season. But he did play - and score - in the recent League Cup win against WBA. Baily Cargill is also playing in League Cup matches. I'm sure I read Bournemouth made ten changes for the Albion game. Twenty-four players have appeared for the first team this season. That's bound to be a reflection on the strength of the squad as opposed to any shortcomings. Soccerbase says Bournemouth currently have eight players out on loan. This points to massive funding and a massive leap. With that sort of set-up you could almost mistake Bournemouth for a club at the top of the Championship. Serious finance. Russian. A club that may historically have been seen as 2-3 the times of Torquay United may now be operating on an entirely different plane. To a factor of ten, twenty, more? The comparative figures would be fascinating. Bournemouth, of course, are still regarded as "small"; a 12,000 capacity ground in a sleepy seaside resort and all that. But wait. Think of all that business about Argyle's potential. How Plymouth is " the largest city in Europe never to have hosted top-flight football". Or something like that. Now tally up the population figures for the area between Poole and Christchurch. Throw in Wimborne and Ferndown and a quick check on Wiki reveals a built-up area of over 450,000 people. For somewhere that's ostensibly similar to Torbay, Bournemouth couldn't be more different. The same now seemingly applies to the football as well. I'm not sure if Eunan has been injured or just out of favour. I usually look at their team to see if he has played or scored, and he hasn't even been making the bench recently. He was back in their side to score against WBA and then immediately absent again. Whether this is down to injury, I haven't been able to find out. |
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