Rob
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Post by Rob on Feb 28, 2015 17:46:58 GMT
Wtf......have we turned up today....can't believe what's going on.....si Cheer up Si. Ferriby just won on penalties.
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Post by petef on Feb 28, 2015 17:49:27 GMT
If you hadn't seen it you just wouldn't have believed it. Supposedly the most important game for years and the manager and players get it all wrong. I would disagree that it was that important other than from the finances point of view and consider the final games of last season the most important in the clubs history. Probably its entire history. This was probably the worst and most inept display of football from a TFC team that I have witnessed since we were relegated the first time form the football league during the Roberts era. Wrexham looked like a well organised pub side while we looked like a poor unmotivated pub side. It was that bad. I'm always reluctant t criticise the manager who is restricted in so many ways but today he got the lot totally wrong and not for the first time since hes been here. No spirit no cohesion and very little plan and a performance that would get many a manager the sack. Nothing really to report. They scored three whilst we failed to produce one single decent effort in the entire match and as the game wore on without a goal we just got worse and worse. Marks out of ten. Rice 7 couldnt do anytjing about any of their goals we were sliced open at will. Guegan 4 Poor didnt support a player with the ball when we had it all game not a wing back. Downes 7 looked committed as always and MOM MacDonald 3 was arguing and raising his fists at our own fans near the end of the match with players pulling him away just hoofed the ball over the stand most of the game. Ives 3 Bussled off the bal on numerous occasions and never got forward to any effect. Richards 4 gave it his best shot but thats not very good I'm afraid. Macquilkin 4 To small and inefective in a completely inefective midfield. Young 2 a huge disapointment and a shadow of the player I remember last September .gave the ball away failed to support players in possesion and didnt really look that up for it. Must have thought he was getting a move in January! Ajala 3poor first touch and wandered all over the place tp noo effect and failed to support the two front men. Bowman 3 Bussled off the ball though zero support from those around him. Cambell 1 crap and inefective 1 for turning up.
Subs Jordan Chappell 5 at least lookred interested and willing to run at defenders. Oforie 3 to little to late the game was gone. Briscoe 3 to littler to late the game wasalready lost.
Manager Hargreaves.0 well if you cannot get players motivated for this game there sure is something wrong somewhere. Team selection poor tactics poor . Players not motivated.
We play like this for the rest of the season and we will end up just above the drop zone for certain. And next season unless there are drastic changes more than likely fending off the Conference South.
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Post by simonb on Feb 28, 2015 18:01:36 GMT
Very worrying - whilst I was not able to get to the game today it would appear to have been as stunning as the Braintree (away) match which was one of the most inept displays I have seen for decades. The paradox is how did this bunch of players manage to eek out some of their better results this season and yet be so drab when it matters? Answers on a postcard! The only consolation today being we still would have lost even if we had won 3-1 last week! Troubled times ahead I think.
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Post by Jon on Feb 28, 2015 18:13:59 GMT
Totally inept performance.
Young arguing with the fans while the game was in progress.
MacDonald arguing with the fans while the game was in progress.
Professional footballers should not do that.
Well done to Aaron Downes for physically dragging MacDonald back in to position and forcefully reminding him that he was supposed to be playing a football match!
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Post by petef on Feb 28, 2015 18:16:57 GMT
Totally inept performance. Young arguing with the fans while the game was in progress. MacDonald arguing with the fans while the game was in progress. Professional footballers should not do that. Well done to Aaron Downes for physically dragging MacDonald back in to position and forcefully reminding him that he was supposed to be playing a football match! From what I witnessed on the Popside hot head Angus MacDonald should be sacked. Totally unprofessional. Though if the team were instructed to play that way the manager who by this time will have lost the dressing room, has to take some responsibility for his actions. Go get a job in Tescos Angus that's the real world pal.
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Post by sam on Feb 28, 2015 18:23:31 GMT
This was bad and Iv'e seen some poor displays in my time. It reminded me of that weird game away at Colchester on 7th May 2005 when we had so much riding on a game and then looked as if there was no effort. Perhaps there was effort today but we were just crap. Can't believe Young giving up on a ball and waving his arms about instead of trying to recover the situation. Their No.8 was lucky to stay on the pitch after an off the ball stamp on someone. So many things wrong today for a match that financially could have been a life saver. Oh dear, I am in gloomsville.
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Post by Swanny on Feb 28, 2015 18:42:11 GMT
Should we really be surprised what happened today? For months our league form has been poor, up until the semi-final we've had the easiest draws we could wish for in the FA Trophy and we could not even reach the first round proper of the FA Cup. Our FA Trophy run has masked our dreadful performance overall this season. From our management down, we are simply not good enough. Today we hardly had a shot on target and once we conceded our whole game fell apart. Crowd a really good 3,255 with 372 from Wrexham, sponsors MOTM Downes - well at least he tries. I thought the only other player to come out today with credit was a solid performance by Rice in goal.
It was a decent atmosphere today and the home crowd was doing their bit with some good chanting and lots of yellow on show. With Wrexham supporters also vocal the game was all set up nicely for a decent cup-tie. I was very impressed with Wrexham's solid defence and in the first half they coped comfortably with our attacks. Likewise Torquay were rarely troubled in the first half but Torqauy had to show the initiative. Loanee Campbell did lose his marker well to get clear in the penalty area but badly scuffed his shot. Likewise Bowman had a couple of half chances but did not test their keeper. Torquay's main problem all afternoon was in central midfield where Luke Young was totally out-of-sorts and Richards might have won some tackles but his distribution was poor. Ajala on the left wing had little time on the ball and McQuilkin on the right wing did some tidy link up play with right back Guegen and crosses but not much else. There was no-one on the end of the crosses and strikers Bowman and Campbell had little impact all match. The bottom line is that Torquay did not have one shot on target in the first half.
Torquay had to up their game in the second half but it was not forthcoming. Chappel came on for McQuilkin but Wrexham got the vital breakthrough in controversial circumstances. Downes was adjuged to have handled the ball outside the penalty area on our left when it was more a case of ball to hand. In swung the free-kick and a Wrexham player got his head first to put the ball past Rice. We have let in so many goals from these sort of free-kicks and corners this season and in truth we always look vulnerable from them. On came Briscoe and O'Archie for for Campbell and Ajala but instead of rallying around Torquay capitulated big style. Wrexham sliced through Torquay on our left and in went goals 2 and 3 in similiar circumstances. Loads of home fans poured out of the ground after the 2nd. and 3rd. goals and Torquay resembled a disjointed mess. Some Popsiders were having a go at the players and McDonald foolishly responded to them and Downes had to drag MacDonald away - all this as the game was going on. There was no leadership from the dug-out or from the players. Young is no captain and showed a lack of discipline instead to add to his woeful performance today as a player. Boos rang out at the end with just a few home fans sympathetically clapping our players off the pitch.
Well done to Wrexham, they were very solid, had a bit of know-how and knew how to finish. We had one shot on target, an Ives cross come shot that their keeper had to back pedal and tip over the bar. It could have been a flukey goal. Our whole club is really at rock bottom and at least today after this heavy defeat people attached to the club can face the truth. Our performances over the last few months simply have not merited a place in a cup final. Where do we go from here? Now that is a difficult one. Personally I think the experiment of raw yougnsters is not working and we need to look more to hardened pros. The same could be said of our management team but we are stuck with them for the foreseeable future. More tough times ahead I'm afraid.
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Post by petef on Feb 28, 2015 18:56:52 GMT
Should we really be surprised what happened today? For months our league form has been poor, up until the semi-final we've had the easiest draws we could wish for in the FA Trophy and we could not even reach the first round proper of the FA Cup. Our FA Trophy run has masked our dreadful performance overall this season. From our management down, we are simply not good enough. Today we hardly had a shot on target and once we conceded our whole game fell apart. Crowd a really good 3,255 with 372 from Wrexham, sponsors MOTM Downes - well at least he tries. I thought the only other player to come out today with credit was a solid performance by Rice in goal. It was a decent atmosphere today and the home crowd was doing their bit with some good chanting and lots of yellow on show. With Wrexham supporters also vocal the game was all set up nicely for a decent cup-tie. I was very impressed with Wrexham's solid defence and in the first half they coped comfortably with our attacks. Likewise Torquay were rarely troubled in the first half but Torqauy had to show the initiative. Loanee Campbell did lose his marker well to get clear in the penalty area but badly scuffed his shot. Likewise Bowman had a couple of half chances but did not test their keeper. Torquay's main problem all afternoon was in central midfield where Luke Young was totally out-of-sorts and Richards might have won some tackles but his distribution was poor. Ajala on the left wing had little time on the ball and McQuilkin on the right wing did some tidy link up play with right back Guegen and crosses but not much else. There was no-one on the end of the crosses and strikers Bowman and Campbell had little impact all match. The bottom line is that Torquay did not have one shot on target in the first half. Torquay had to up their game in the second half but it was not forthcoming. Chappel came on for McQuilkin but Wrexham got the vital breakthrough in controversial circumstances. Downes was adjuged to have handled the ball outside the penalty area on our left when it was more a case of ball to hand. In swung the free-kick and a Wrexham player got his head first to put the ball past Rice. We have let in so many goals from these sort of free-kicks and corners this season and in truth we always look vulnerable from them. On came Briscoe and O'Archie for for Campbell and Ajala but instead of rallying around Torquay capitulated big style. Wrexham sliced through Torquay on our left and in went goals 2 and 3 in similiar circumstances. Loads of home fans poured out of the ground after the 2nd. and 3rd. goals and Torquay resembled a disjointed mess. Some Popsiders were having a go at the players and McDonald foolishly responded to them and Downes had to drag MacDonald away - all this as the game was going on. There was no leadership from the dug-out or from the players. Young is no captain and showed a lack of discipline instead to add to his woeful performance today as a player. Boos rang out at the end with just a few home fans sympathetically clapping our players off the pitch. Well done to Wrexham, they were very solid, had a bit of know-how and knew how to finish. We had one shot on target, an Ives cross come shot that their keeper had to back pedal and tip over the bar. It could have been a flukey goal. Our whole club is really at rock bottom and at least today after this heavy defeat people attached to the club can face the truth. Our performances over the last few months simply have not merited a place in a cup final. Where do we go from here? Now that is a difficult one. Personally I think the experiment of raw yougnsters is not working and we need to look more to hardened pros. The same could be said of our management team but we are stuck with them for the foreseeable future. More tough times ahead I'm afraid. You see it as I do Swanny the only light relief today was discussing old times and players and jokingly saying no worries Hargreaves will bring on Stubbs, Jack and Caldwell for the second half an well win by at least five! Its all we have leaft these days, distant memories of past greats.
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Post by loyalgull on Feb 28, 2015 19:04:02 GMT
Didnt even bother going dog and duck stuff again it seems and we need 3 wins to guarantee tinpot again next year it isnt beyond the realms of possibilty that this lot are incapable of doing that we are fast becoming a joke
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Post by stewart on Feb 28, 2015 20:56:02 GMT
My first game in almost four years because of an arthritic knee (and dislike of the managerial merrygoround). I was hoping for something a bit special, but how wrong could I have been ?
What the hell has happened to this club ? It surely cannot be down to lack of finance alone.
Today I witnessed a shocking lack of quality, technique, discipline and desire. Worst of all, perhaps, an appalling absence of any comprehensible tactical approach, or come to that motivation, which controls all of the other aspects.
There will certainly be no play-off place this season, but already almost enough points have been secured to make relegation an impossibility too, so now is the time for me to ask the question: if a manager resigns, is any financial compensation due to him ? In the belief that the answer is no, I would suggest that, in the best interests of both the club and himself, Mr Hargreaves should do the decent thing and walk away. The experiment of appointing a first-timer has clearly failed, and dismally, despite his previous attachment to the club.
It rather contradicts my frequently stated belief that clubs change their managers too often in modern times, however I cannot see any other option if the club is not to end up in the Conference South the season after next.
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Post by hector on Mar 1, 2015 0:36:15 GMT
My first game in almost four years because of an arthritic knee (and dislike of the managerial merrygoround). I was hoping for something a bit special, but how wrong could I have been ? What the hell has happened to this club ? It surely cannot be down to lack of finance alone. Today I witnessed a shocking lack of quality, technique, discipline and desire. Worst of all, perhaps, an appalling absence of any comprehensible tactical approach, or come to that motivation, which controls all of the other aspects. There will certainly be no play-off place this season, but already almost enough points have been secured to make relegation an impossibility too, so now is the time for me to ask the question: if a manager resigns, is any financial compensation due to him ? In the belief that the answer is no, I would suggest that, in the best interests of both the club and himself, Mr Hargreaves should do the decent thing and walk away. The experiment of appointing a first-timer has clearly failed, and dismally, despite his previous attachment to the club. It rather contradicts my frequently stated belief that clubs change their managers too often in modern times, however I cannot see any other option if the club is not to end up in the Conference South the season after next. If Hargreaves was to consider resigning - which I doubt he is - I'm sure it would be unlikely that he would tear up his contract and go without any recompense. A deal would have to be struck. The last two appointments have been made by people without any footballing nous, playing to the crowd. Perhaps with Kelvin Thomas involved, there would be a more measured approach to any new appointment, in the unlikely event that CH & TUFC parted company.
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Post by bristolgull on Mar 1, 2015 8:37:56 GMT
That's one journey I wish I hadn't made! After the first goal went in we simply capitulated, were ill disciplined and ragged. The whole afternoon summed by McDonald's angry exchange with a fan in the popside...with the game in progress!! We were still in with a chance until they scored but the reality was that there didn't look a goal in us all afternoon. In my opinion we needed that final to keep the season alive and provide a focus for the rest of the season. That is now gone and the concern is that we will limp along in the lower reaches of mid table for the rest of the season with crowds dropping away. This would I guess compound the general sense of apathy that many fans feel. Yesterday was summed up for me by the parting conversation of the chap stood nest to me. He told me that it was the first game he'd been to for a long time and as he left he said 'I can't see myself coming back anytime soon'. Very sad state of affairs because I fear this will be the attitude of many as the season runs to its conclusion.
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Post by loyalgull on Mar 1, 2015 10:06:08 GMT
Mcdonald should be shown the door now,along with at least 10 others including clueless Hargreaves.So much is wrong at the club now,i doubt it can be sorted out very easily.So many good professional people have been got rid of and not replaced.The place has no soul no good feel about it,a far cry from our first season back in the league not so long ago. No 100 mile round trips for me for a home game anymore,the club have now got to prove to me and others i suspect that they can get us running as a professional outfit on and off the pitch.But i sadly suspect it wont happen,as nobody is listening,the fans will vote with their feet,which will add to the ludicrous debt already mounting.Never in our history have we incurred such large alleged debts,as now,which is now looking as poor as the dave webb era rubbish we had to endure.Does anybody have a clue about anything they do at plainmoor?tragedy for the fans who have had to endure some crap for far too many years
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Post by hector on Mar 1, 2015 11:39:41 GMT
I feel fairly ambivalent about the managerial situation. If the club decided to wield the axe again, or CH resigned, I'm not sure that I would be unduly upset. However, a part of me would be disappointed and sad that it hasn't worked because I do like Hargreaves and feel that, as an intelligent man, who had been coaching successfully, he had the attributes that good managers need.
Someone, stood near me yesterday, shouted that CH was the club's worst ever manager. Now anyone with half a braincell knows that there are plenty of other former managers who could lay claim to that (dis)honour, not least Hargreaves's predecessor. Our history is littered with crap managers: Bob John, Jack Edwards, Musgrove, Impey, Compton, May, Saunders, Cornforth, Kubik, Knill for a start.
However, say the club succumb to the wishes of some fans (and I don't think the anti-Hargreaves faction is anywhere as big as the anti-Knill one was a year or so ago, although it will probably gain, quite rapidly, new members if things don't improve quickly) but say the club sack Hargreaves - therefore paying him off and reducing the budget even further - who are we going to get? We are not a stable Football League club anymore; we are a struggling non-league club, just what sort of calibre of manager would we attract? A manager like Steve Burr has a job, at a club, probably as big as us and doing better.
Our directors would not have the gumption to scout around for managers doing well at say a Conference South/North club. They probably would not be able to think beyond Junction 27 of the M5 and someone like Sean Joyce, Kevin Hill or Steve Tully would be the type of manager we would end up with. Even someone like Paul Sturrock, ideal in League 2, would probably come unstuck, with a pitiful budget, in this pitiful league and would last as long as took to get relegated to the Conference South. Or we might end up with some Conference serial failure like Martin Foyle.
So, the options are all fairly horrendous. We stick with what we have got, and hope that once the mercenaries signed by Alan Knill depart, Hargreaves has enough room to manoeuvre and recruit players who can propel us upwards, or perhaps watch as he fails to halt the downward trajectory this club has been on for 3 years, or we recruit someone else, who probably will be even worse and have even less money to work with.
The one manager, who is available (as far as I know) and has a proven record of success at this level is Paul Cox - ex-Mansfield. His record at Eastwood Town and then Mansfield Town, especially in the non-league is really rather impressive. If I was a director and I had reservations about Hargreaves, he would be the first man I would be making a phonecall to.
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Post by chelstongull on Mar 1, 2015 11:55:00 GMT
Mcdonald should be shown the door now Bit harsh there. A hefty fine for swearing at the fans, perhaps another fine for picking up a stupid booking and a week training with the youth team. I would like to see Angus here next season. Where was the captain at this time, joining in I believe. Relieve Young of the captaincy and fine him for the infraction with the supporters and for picking up another stupid booking. Who for captain - Downes?
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