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Post by Rob on Dec 17, 2016 18:50:49 GMT
No problem, Pete. I'll try and think of a couple of ancillaries to my mediocre starters for 10 at some point.
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Post by andycandy on Dec 17, 2016 21:19:36 GMT
For your information FloridaGull the statement was approved by the TUST board and therefore not the words of one man.
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Post by hector on Dec 17, 2016 21:25:11 GMT
Just reading around it's perhaps fair to say it captured the mood, no? I'm one of those like alpine who reads all three forums, mind. Possibly. I am only a 1-forum man, as you say. Mainly because having been on all 3 at times, I feel that the majority of reasoned argument is only found on this one. Nonetheless, the deed is now done. It is unlikely that GI will give the club back and say 'Sorry, we made a mistake'. I do fear that all the negativity speculation before we have even heard GI's intentions will do nothing to engender any goodwill from the new owners. A statement of any sort from them may help clear the air somewhat. I hope it is forthcoming in the very near future. Just look at GI's prior record. That is all you need to know. Why should we be trying to engender any goodwill from the parasites that have stolen our club? We are now stricken, reliant on the emotional blackmail that will no doubt come our way. TUFC is no more, unless you are happy to accept crumbs. |
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Post by plainmoorpete on Dec 17, 2016 22:19:54 GMT
It might be worth noting that GI own Poole Pirates speedway whose stadium is owned by the council. The council terms for the lease dictate what GI can and cannot do at the stadium, and GI have stuck around.
What we have to face up to are the facts. The club was dying on its feet as it was. If TUFC had stayed in the ownership of the 'current' board we would not see in 2017.
All these johnny come lately bids, they had plenty of time to come in months ago if they were really credible contenders. As has been mentioned on another forum it seems odd that a non-league football club would be at the centre of so much attention from international bidders from america and China.
I really do not think the TUST could have raised the necessary finance to both buy the club and take it forward.
Given all that, GI was the only likely outcome of all this. And we have to hope that their intentions toward the club are long term.
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Post by tqriviera on Dec 17, 2016 23:16:04 GMT
For your information FloridaGull the statement was approved by the TUST board and therefore not the words of one man. The Chairman and Board members of TUST were voted in at the recent AGM. They have the delegated authority to act on behalf of TUST. If TUST members do not like their actions, they can vote them out at the next AGM. As a TUST member with the same number of votes as every other member (one!)- I applaud their hard hitting and correct statement! |
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Post by Rob on Dec 18, 2016 0:01:51 GMT
Poole Pirates are not owned by GI, Pete. GI are the 'stadium operators'. Matt Ford is the owner and has been for many years. And a very successful one.
They are the Man Utd of speedway, made easier by the fact their attendances have always maintained very high levels for the sport. Crucially as a model this makes another party (e.g : stadium operator) dictating what income you take for your club easier to manage. Not always rosy for the owners, of course.
That club ARE the Big Boys. Poole Pirates talk and the Elite League listens. This stadium operator model of 'development' was considered to have been the case for Reading Speedway had a stadium been built after bulldozing. I would be surprised if a version of this is not an early stated preferred one of the subsidiary Riviera Stadium Ltd. Land and leases.
Speedway is a massive part of the town in Poole. You'd hope Torbay Council might see that about us, but I doubt in the same way as Poole's local authority simply would have to if it were ever under threat.
It is not a GI success story I'm afraid, Pete. Their stadium was also around long before GI and Matt Ford, for info and you're right, the local authority maintains ownership of the land for this successful product of it's owners and community. Obviously I hope Torbay Council may forever view TUFC similarly, but that is just hope. Many fans, TUST members or otherwise, may share that hope.
Probably best not to look at speedway or greyhounds for the greatest solace. There's not a great back catalogue to be had there. We have indeed entered a new era, though. I agree. TUST and fans will all be looking forward now. No choice but not to after the reaction is over. All await a statement from the new owners with interest, I'm sure.
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Post by plainmoorpete on Dec 18, 2016 5:14:46 GMT
Thanks for the interesting reply Rob, I stand corrected.
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Post by hector on Dec 18, 2016 15:44:00 GMT
It might be worth noting that GI own Poole Pirates speedway whose stadium is owned by the council. The council terms for the lease dictate what GI can and cannot do at the stadium, and GI have stuck around. What we have to face up to are the facts. The club was dying on its feet as it was. If TUFC had stayed in the ownership of the 'current' board we would not see in 2017. All these johnny come lately bids, they had plenty of time to come in months ago if they were really credible contenders. As has been mentioned on another forum it seems odd that a non-league football club would be at the centre of so much attention from international bidders from america and China. I really do not think the TUST could have raised the necessary finance to both buy the club and take it forward. Given all that, GI was the only likely outcome of all this. And we have to hope that their intentions toward the club are long term. I seriously doubt any of these 'Johnny-come-lately' bids even existed. A convenient smokescreen to try and detract from the Masters/GI master plan. |
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Post by Rob on Dec 18, 2016 17:05:42 GMT
Thanks for the interesting reply Rob, I stand corrected. No problem, Pete. I sort of started following Poole Pirates after Reading ceased to be. Not the same, though and it's more of a watch it on the telly interest than actually going very often. |
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Post by rjdgull on Dec 19, 2016 12:30:17 GMT
Herald on Tust - Herald I reporting now the TUST response to news on this sale. Probably too little too late. Also it seems that the press conference has been delayed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 17:50:37 GMT
Floridagull Was Floridagull right after all ? Does G.I also stand for Goulbourne Invective ? Perhaps correctly anticipating that the new owners would be only too happy to work with all groups who want to help the club move forward, have certain TUST officials demanded the organisation be distanced from the chairman's rant ? Dave Thomas reports in today's Western Morning News that the statement issued, so notable for it's bitterness that even TFF members on the other side of the Atlantic were shocked by it's tone, was in fact 'not an official statement from TUST'.Quite why Mr.Gouldbourne can't be trusted to issue his own opinion in his own name, is as yet unexplained. If the views expressed are his in a personal capacity, why the requirement to get them approved by the TUST board ? While we've been assured these were not the words of one man, today's Morning News seems to go out of it's way to tell us that actually they were. Curiouser and curiouser. I foresee TUST members demanding a much higher level of transparency as to just who is behind these statements in future  |
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Post by unitedwestand on Dec 20, 2016 18:23:59 GMT
Alpine
You will already have had Andrew Candy's confirmation that these words were not issued solely by Michael, but were issued in consultation with the TUST board.
That would be the "Andrew Candy" who you will struggle to find anyone has a bad word for or indeed would question his integrity.
Why the constant torrent of abuse towards Michael? This appears to be a personal crusade of yours.
I think we get the idea that you don't like TUST now for whatever reasons you may have.
Can't you just give it a rest. You are tiresome beyond belief man!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 20:30:57 GMT
unitedwestand, You'll find on the Forums that every action that the club takes, and any words said, particularly by the manager,are dissected to the nth degree, and often interpreted in the most negative way possible by those that want to. The TUST by contrast get nothing like the same treatment.But should anyone dare to point out an inconsistency, or question different versions of an event that appear to be in conflict, then there are demands for the questioner to be silenced. I'm not aware of ever having directed abuse at Michael Goulbourne or used abusive words toward him, and therefore if you'd included some examples of this 'constant torrent of abuse' which I apparently aim towards Michael, I'd be better able to reflect on my actions. I don't doubt, and never have questioned the integrity of Andy Candy, and the same goes for Dave Thomas, and if either of them reported something that was incorrect I'd be absolutely certain it was because they'd been misinformed, and not because they sought to mislead. Your attempt to suggest I'm questioning anyone's integrity is a groundless and unsuccessful attempt at deflection. Despite your request, I don't intend to be gagged in order that the TUST can get a free ride while it's more militant members are given free rein to throw as much mud as they wish at their chosen targets. Happy Christmas |
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Post by unitedwestand on Dec 20, 2016 21:03:20 GMT
Alpine
What I don't understand with you is why you show such negativity towards TUST constantly? On all of the forums whenever I see your posts there is normally a good chance there will be some slant against TUST.
I am just really curious as to why you seem to have such a deep rooted sense of feeling against Michael and TUST in general?
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Post by petef on Dec 20, 2016 21:30:30 GMT
TUST has failed to convince a large majority of fans unitedwestand that's wholey apparent and should really be asking themselves why that is.
Their motives are honerable but inevitably are bound to come under scrutiny and quite rightly so.
We all want the best for the football club, whatever that may be but on face value for many of us the option of a community owned club would be a backward step and lead to further stagnation and decline with liitle hope of moving forward.
I have the greatest respect fo Andrew Candy and Michael Goulbourne for what they are trying to achieve, the same respect I had for Dave Phillips when he was the only realistically viable option some eighteen months ago.
I now appear to be in a minority in that I think Phillips has done what he thinks is best for the club but also has some how created for himself a large section of fans that seem to loathe and despise his very pressence.
That's life I'm afraid popular one minute the devil incarnate the next usually fired by hearsay and supposition and weve had more than our fair share of that on forums of late.
Th statement form GI looks to be positive aand makes complete sense in every respect. Whteher it happens or not is another matter ofcourse but personally Im willing to take that cahnce rather than see this once proud club decline further and disapear.
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