Joe
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Post by Joe on Dec 21, 2016 16:05:05 GMT
peter master will be chairman nest season. this came to light at 840pm last night at a party of associates close to him .gi is no friend of tufc .thay where all so saying that the herald express is a joke. and the fans have been let down big time .
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Rob
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Post by Rob on Dec 21, 2016 17:43:32 GMT
That's great news rjd. And the new owners continue to go about things in exactly the right way, shrewdly judging that having TUST inside the tent p*ssing out, rather than the reverse situation as we have at present, will be far preferable. Personally it will make my Christmas to learn that TUST could soon be working in tandem with a Gaming International owned TUFC . I'd expect all the usual cliches about 'not sacrificing our independence', ultimate aims haven't changed', 'greater good of the club' etc etc, but as I'm apparantly 'Chris Roberts best mate', it will certainly tickle me if TUST members learn they've signed up to be Clarke Osborne's best mate. The spirit of Christmas is alive and well. As you not-so-subtly imply, Joe, it's a very clever move by Osborne. He can't lose. If TUST rejects the offer, he can say 'I tried'. If TUST eat a huge piece of humble pie and take an advisory position, it will show that TUST has no real principles, and will resemble Michael Heseltine, who wanted power no matter how he got it. For the record, he failed too. Should TUST join the board, it does offer the spectre of a TUST split. Then we could watch (or probably not bother) the official TUST and the provisional TUST engage in some close hand-to-hand combat in pursuit of winning the all-important (or maybe not) TUST membership majority. And whilst they squabble, the club will quietly go about its business, overseen by the RSL-appointed TUFC chairman, Mr Peter Masters. There are clearly those who relish in fans squabbling. You are quite right that "the club would quietly go about it's business" if fans squabble. Pete Masters knows that and so do the property developers. However, those might be the only two interpretations either you or alpine could muster, but most might see things differently if GI actually do any of what they are saying. To be honest, any sub-board is at best advisory to the real power behind the throne, but I would be happier with decent savvy people with the club's interests at heart on the advisory or patsy board than not. I've never considered Osbourne and his lot weren't media savvy. Quite the reverse. There'll be plenty more for you and alpine to get all starry eyed about, don't you worry.
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Rob
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Post by Rob on Dec 21, 2016 18:37:31 GMT
However, those might be the only two interpretations either you or alpine could muster, but most might see things differently if GI actually do any of what they are saying. Don't understand that comment, Rob. There'll be plenty more for you and alpine to get all starry eyed about, don't you worry. All I want is everybody on board to have the club as the priority. Whether that transpires as realistic wish, only time will reveal. Re 1 - The damned if do and damned if don't conclusion. Re 2 - Starry eyed over perceived media saviness of our property developer who has had years of it starting with Eastville over 20 years ago that ended up as an IKEA and in the last two days with us. Left you're last bit in as that's obviously the crux for everyone.
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Post by hector on Dec 22, 2016 10:17:48 GMT
However, those might be the only two interpretations either you or alpine could muster, but most might see things differently if GI actually do any of what they are saying. Don't understand that comment, Rob. There'll be plenty more for you and alpine to get all starry eyed about, don't you worry. I'm not worried in the slightest. Unlike many of the purveyors of bile and shite about the previous board, GI, Osborne, RSL, Masters, etc, I've remained a realist. I couldn't give a toss whether TUST become advisors or not. All I want is everybody on board to have the club as the priority. Whether that transpires as realistic wish, only time will reveal. Fingers crossed then, for the unlikely outcome where a group of property developers and speculators will put aside their own profit-driven agendas so as to ensure that the football club is the priority. I don't think that is remotely a realistic wish. Those falling for GI spin at the moment, are a bit like Edmund drooling over Turkish Delight in Narnia. They'll find out the cost soon enough.
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Rob
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Post by Rob on Dec 22, 2016 20:14:41 GMT
I mentioned much of the below in reply to hector elsewhere, where he had been personally abused for his obvious concerns at this takeover. Nothing about Elvis raised there. We are only 4 days in.
"You have to accept some will be won over for a while. Some even when/if GI history repeats itself. Yeah, some may appear gullible, some hostile and some won't want to know, but my observation isn't as a slant on anyone right now. GI have a huge wealth of experience in what they do and don't do. They have offered hope in their press releases. It's attractive sounding. I don't begrudge anyone hope when we've had it so bad for ages.
It's too tiring to worry about what GI might do every day. I found that myself at times after a 2008 stadium closure. A critical eye and scrutiny will still be happening from a great many who don't see things four days after they have taken over and issued a couple of press releases in the same way as, say, hector, me, floridagull, merse or even "Chris Roberts' best mate". That's how it goes. The deed has been done".
And we're all hoping for the same thing, ultimately. I'll need more winning over than most given previous experiences, that's my thing, but I will always listen to what GI say and look at what they actually do. I expect we all will in our own way.
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Post by stewart on Dec 22, 2016 23:36:53 GMT
I have just listened to the latest podcast on the HE website, most of which contained the views of Dave Thomas. I can't decide whether he really does believe that Gaming International will be the club's messaiah, or is he simply paying lip service so that he remains in their confidence and therefore has exclusivity regarding their plans and intentions.
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hector
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Post by hector on Dec 23, 2016 0:40:48 GMT
I have just listened to the latest podcast on the HE website, most of which contained the views of Dave Thomas. I can't decide whether he really does believe that Gaming International will be the club's messaiah, or is he simply paying lip service so that he remains in their confidence and therefore has exclusivity regarding their plans and intentions. I suspect it is a bit of both. What we can expect is that that there will not be any difficult or probing questions asked.
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hector
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Post by hector on Dec 23, 2016 0:42:04 GMT
Fingers crossed then, for the unlikely outcome where a group of property developers and speculators will put aside their own profit-driven agendas so as to ensure that the football club is the priority. I don't think that is remotely a realistic wish. Those falling for GI spin at the moment, are a bit like Edmund drooling over Turkish Delight in Narnia. They'll find out the cost soon enough. Got to hand it to you, Hector, your negativity is consistent. I'm not 'falling for the spin'. What I am is hoping, and I imagine that others are also hoping, that the current statements coming from RSL are followed through as stated. If they don't, then that is something to look at tackling later. The unrealistic expectations of a lot of fans were never going to be met, no matter who became the new owners. Be thankful the club had something of interest to attract some interest cos without it the club would already be gone, which would have given you something else to moan about. It isn't negativity; its realism based on GI's prior record.
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Post by chelstongull on Dec 23, 2016 8:07:46 GMT
It isn't negativity; its realism based on GI's prior record. In a nutshell, unless anyone can come up information regarding their successes in any of their ventures?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 10:35:57 GMT
It isn't negativity; its realism based on GI's prior record. In a nutshell, unless anyone can come up information regarding their successes in any of their ventures? You'd only require that Chelston, if there was some suspicion that the vast majority of the information supplied to the Forums so far regarding G.I had not been compiled and presented in a fair and impartial way. I'd refer you to the TUST update thread, and reiterate the key phrase 'the silent and apathetic majority of fans need to be educated to make informed decisions about whether they support community ownership or not'.
I think you should back TUST in their commitment to such noble principles. Having people i ndoctrinated educated in only one side of any argument, while harassing,making false allegations against, or asking for silence should any lone voice dare to put forward a different view, would be trying to impose 'education' in the same way that the North Korean News Agency educates it's population on an issue. I hope that, like me, you're quite convinced that if information reached TUST, that threw a particularly good light on Peter Masters or Dave Phillips, they'd be just as eager to distribute it for ' information purposes only'. Have faith in the fair mindedness of your fellow TUST members, in their attempts to provide you with an accurate picture, and one not unduly skewed against G.I in the hope that it might have boosted TUST's bid for club ownership. Do this, if for no other reason, than under the current classification, any suggestion to the contrary (as Floridagull has learned) is deemed an 'attack on supporters'.Put all those nagging doubts to the back of your mind, that your image of G.I might be heavily tainted by selective information or negative spin applied by TUST militants, and instead get back to the mince pies, sherry....and pop a Perry Como album on the gramophone.
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Post by petef on Dec 23, 2016 12:18:46 GMT
I mentioned much of the below in reply to hector elsewhere, where he had been personally abused for his obvious concerns at this takeover. Nothing about Elvis raised there. We are only 4 days in. "You have to accept some will be won over for a while. Some even when/if GI history repeats itself. Yeah, some may appear gullible, some hostile and some won't want to know, but my observation isn't as a slant on anyone right now. GI have a huge wealth of experience in what they do and don't do. They have offered hope in their press releases. It's attractive sounding. I don't begrudge anyone hope when we've had it so bad for ages. It's too tiring to worry about what GI might do every day. I found that myself at times after a 2008 stadium closure. A critical eye and scrutiny will still be happening from a great many who don't see things four days after they have taken over and issued a couple of press releases in the same way as, say, hector, me, floridagull, merse or even "Chris Roberts' best mate". That's how it goes. The deed has been done". And we're all hoping for the same thing, ultimately. I'll need more winning over than most given previous experiences, that's my thing, but I will always listen to what GI say and look at what they actually do. I expect we all will in our own way. I don't think its a case of some being "won over" Rob its a case of some being cautiously optimistic and others being cautiously pesemistic. I dont know of any supporter completely "won over" by this deal. Whatever your personal view everyone has the right to voice it. Its good thing that we can discuss all of the issues without fear of insult and disresepect on this forum and credit to all posters for that. Agreeing to disagree is the only way we will ever reach any kind of consenus. Openeess and inteligent adult debate is alive and well!
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chelstongull
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Post by chelstongull on Dec 23, 2016 13:50:27 GMT
In a nutshell, unless anyone can come up information regarding their successes in any of their ventures? You'd only require that Chelston, if there was some suspicion that the vast majority of the information supplied to the Forums so far regarding G.I had not been compiled and presented in a fair and impartial way. There's been so much written/told/made up etc. that its hard to see the wood for the trees. GI have come in for some stick regarding failed past ventures and I am interested in the opposite view point.
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Post by simonb on Dec 23, 2016 16:54:33 GMT
Hope you find it but don't be too surprised to find that this potential silver lining has a cloud!
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Rob
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Post by Rob on Dec 23, 2016 17:00:52 GMT
You'd only require that Chelston, if there was some suspicion that the vast majority of the information supplied to the Forums so far regarding G.I had not been compiled and presented in a fair and impartial way. There's been so much written/told/made up etc. that its hard to see the wood for the trees. GI have come in for some stick regarding failed past ventures and I am interested in the opposite view point. It's a truly awful back catologue, chelston. Best not to focus on finding that reassurance as it won't lead you where you want to go. Hoping that the leopard has changed its spots will be more comforting in this case.
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Post by loyaltygull on Dec 23, 2016 19:39:18 GMT
Leopard and spots definitely springs to mind regarding gi oh well wait and see dont hold your breath though
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