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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 10:18:45 GMT
The reality of red rule, rather than the initial romantic notion, is painfully hitting home in North Wales. Back in March 2011 there were two bids on the table to take ownership of the club. One from a local business woman, and one from.....yes you've guessed it...The Trust. A further bid was also received a little later, but by that time the forces of Socialism were already exerting their political influence, turning the screw in their determination to deliver the club into the hands of the Supporters Trust. With the combined forces of Wrexham's Labour MP, Ian Lucas, and the town's Welsh Assembly Member, Lesley Griffiths (Labour) firmly in the Trust camp, nothing could stop Red Rule. Well, not much short of six years is a fair old dose of Socialism, so just how have dear old Wrexham been doing in recent years ? That Socialist revolution should really have started to produce results by now surely ? Season 2013/14: Finished the season in 17th place, the lowest position in the clubs' 150-year history. Season 2014/15 : Finished 11th, top half at least. Season 2015/16 : All the way up to 8th, although a massive 32 points adrift of Champions Cheltenham. Season 2016/17 Currently languishing in the bottom half of the table, and eyes finally...finally...being opened to the realisation that maybe putting the needs of the club first rather than installing an ownership system that fitted in with your political dogma, might, on reflection, have been more sensible. As the President of Wrexham Supporters Trust resigned this week, we'd expect no other than carefully chosen words, watered down so as not to incur the wrath of his own Militants, but “Despite those efforts, our club is currently in a poor state and performances on the pitch have been way short of what the club’s large and loyal fan base deserves.“I remain a supporter of the trust ideal, the notion of fans being the best people to run football clubs, however I am now beginning to wonder whether it is working in the best way for the betterment of our club?"Yes, we know just what you're saying Mr.Law. The 'ideal' sounded lovely, the 'notion' brought a Socialist glow to the cheeks.....but whichever way you dress it up, a broken model remains a broken model, and it's one that has served the club poorly. The sooner Wrexham can cast it off, and face down the wishes of those Red politicians, the sooner the club can take steps to get back on track. link - Latest Sorry Chapter In The Tale Of Red Wrexham
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Post by Rob on Jan 14, 2017 17:11:32 GMT
What's the housing like for property development up that way? You could suggest your universal panacea to them. They could fly up the leagues with a groundshare at Chester.
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Post by hector on Jan 15, 2017 13:07:18 GMT
Yet 20 miles up the road, we have an example of a club that has done rather well thanks to Supporter Ownership.
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Post by hector on Jan 15, 2017 21:03:31 GMT
Yet 20 miles up the road, we have an example of a club that has done rather well thanks to Supporter Ownership. That and some fortuitous cup 'glamour' draws... I rather knew that quip would be made by someone. However, their strategy for developing their youth system, appointing a decent manager etc, has created far more wealth for them than any cup tie and that can't be simply down to luck. There are clubs up and down the country that have had big glamour draws and squandered it or not done anything as a result. Exeter were in probably a worse mess than we are - and their Trust (from a starting point no bigger than ours) has not only saved them but turned them into something much more secure than they were ever under private ownership. Alpine wouldn't like that but that's how it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 14:23:41 GMT
Hector The home and away games against Manchester United brought in income of just under £1million for Exeter (according to their Supporters Trust wikipedia page). That 'security' that Hector mentions seemed to then get eroded,as we read about episodes such as Steve Tully's contract offer being withdrawn for 'financial reasons, and then by Summer 2014, the club having to go cap in hand to the PFA requesting a six figure loan. January 2016 seeing another massive bailout falling into their lap thanks to an F.A Cup draw that saw then enjoy another huge financial windfall with home and away games against Liverpool. You could even throw in the not inconsiderable TV money that came their way when the BBC decided to televise their F.A Cup 1st round tie with Warrington in 2014/15. A combined pile of cash of such magnitude that mention of it can't be wrapped up and dismissed as a 'quip'. Hector clearly doesn't like that, but that's how it was.That said, if we'd become Trust owned in 2006 and appointed Paul Tisdale as our Manager, and Exeter had continued down a non Trust route and with Alan Knill (rather than Tisdale) as their Manager for the last 10 years, then I'm certain we'd be in better shape today than they would be. Hector says that Exeter are a club that 'has done rather well thanks to Supporter Ownership'. Even if we don't touch on the broader issue of whether an increasingly affluent city shouldn't be doing better than surviving in League 2, when a crumbling Lancashire town with an ever decreasing population such as Burnley, can serve up Premier League football for it's flat capped locals, then we can still accept that the 'rather well' wasn't a generally accepted fact only a few months ago, with the Supporters Trust making their initial moves to unseat Tisdale. The BBC reporting as recently as 18th November 2016: It prompted the Trust to issue a statement on the club's form, which read: "Trustees considered letters from a number of members expressing dissatisfaction with current results. "The Trust Board shares these concerns and stressed the need for improvement to club board chairman Julian Tagg."If things are to continue to go 'rather well' it appears that the club board will have to resist Trust members attempts to wreck it. link - Dissatisfied Trust Serve Notice On TisdaleMy view remains, that it was the wise decision to appoint Tisdale and to let him run the show, while continuing to fend off Trust militants and there desire for short term knee jerk decision making, that has to be thanked, rather than Supporter Ownership.
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Post by hector on Jan 16, 2017 21:46:26 GMT
It was the Supporters Trust that appointed Tisdale and invested in the youth system that has brought the club millions of pounds.
Exeter did get big games against Manchester United and Liverpool (it does help if you actually get through to the 3rd round, of course) but so have Yeovil in the past, as have plenty of other clubs.
Rather than comparing Exeter with Burnley, how about comparing Exeter city in 2016 with Exeter City in 2003? Which is in the better place?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 17:48:34 GMT
Hector Ah, if only, Hector. In fact Exeter Trust members may even have been urged to consider the bigger picture, and vote on the basis of just such a comparison. But how often does a football fan (Trust member or not) prefer to count his blessings rather than enviously check on whether someone else's grass is greener ? Whatever the merits of restricting the argument to 2003 v 2016, other issues crept in, and minds wandered. The city has prospered, many businesses in the area are doing well, and the rugby club has taken huge strides forward. Envious eyes have been cast, and only 'jam today' is acceptable. Looking at the social media campaign, as well as the placards, it was a '5 years of failure' theme, that was the favoured slogan. Plus City were occupying a relegation place at the time, with Argyle flying high. All helping to bring dissatisfaction levels sufficiently high that going to watch Torquay instead, was a view being seriously advocated: link - Grecian To Gull With a few injuries clearing up and a consequent improvement in results, things have quietened down. It happens everywhere. We have important players such as Gallifuoco, Lathrope, and the man who makes our midfield tick, Luke Young, all missing....and last Winter's 'Nico Out' banners are being unfurled again on those Forums where you'd most expect to see them. It will gladden your heart to learn that St.James Park is still the same bastion of socialism it first became in 2003. And players still remember to pick up their complementary copy of The Guardian before they leave the Cat & Fiddle training ground and head for home. And evidence today, that David Wheeler ACTUALLY reads his 'While the right-wing press was lauding Theresa May for the Brexit plans she revealed earlier this week, I couldn't share their enthusiasm. Amidst a dearth of any great detail, the one thing we now know for sure is that the UK won't remain in the single market.
Unfortunately, it seems the Prime Minister's willingness to pander to the xenophobes who demand an end to EU migration dictates she must take a decision which, while all but certain to impact negatively on the economy, will extricate us from any obligations apropos the free movement of people.
At the same time, the PM is promising a comprehensive free trade deal, without paying much into the EU budget or coming under the European Court of Justice, and a tariff-free customs agreement that leaves the UK free to strike trade deals with the rest of the EU. I'd suggest there's more chance of Tis patrolling the touchline in a tracksuit, so good luck with that!'
link - David Wheeler column
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Post by hector on Jan 18, 2017 22:18:49 GMT
Not often you see a footballer using the word "apropos" and that, as well as his anti-Brexit stance, is to be applauded. Tisdale likes a brainy footballer.
No wonder that wrankles with you, Alpine; an oafish footballer getting above his working class station by acting all intelligent. Even worse if his views do not concur with the authoritarian right.
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Post by hector on Jan 19, 2017 6:54:56 GMT
Not often you see a footballer using the word "apropos" and that, as well as his anti-Brexit stance, is to be applauded. Tisdale likes a brainy footballer. No wonder that wrankles with you, Alpine; an oafish footballer getting above his working class station by acting all intelligent. Even worse if his views do not concur with the authoritarian right. If he actually writes it. Many of these columns are taken in verbal form from the 'author' and then put into English by a ghost writer so it's suitable for publication. I'm not accusing David Wheeler of that but offering it as a suggestion. I'm also not saying that footballers can't be intelligent or well read; Graeme Le Saux, Martin O'Neill, and Iain Dowie, all spring to mind, and there's bound to be more but there are plenty of others whose shirt number is greater than their IQ. Conversely, David Davis the MP, always makes me smile when he talks, as he sounds more like a costermonger than a politician with a master's degree in business. I would imagine the Express & Echo get him to write because he can. Wheeler was a degree student at Brunel University before he signed for Exeter (I can't remember what he was studying) so he is, no doubt, a bright bloke.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 14:47:55 GMT
RED RULE RUNNING OUT ?Gratifying as it was to so recently read the request for extra content to appear in 'The Future Of TUST' thread, when it comes to Wrexham we do have this dedicated thread, and so with the possibility that their Trust might be packing their bags and departing the boardroom, this is still the appropriate place to spread the good news. Now while there will be those that will see this as a much awaited chink of light appearing at the end of a long and dark Trust tunnel, I think we should at least accept that the WST allowed the club to tread water for season after season, even if a club with Wrexham's tradition and fan base should be achieving far more than that ....particularly with a compliant local council .... something some other ambitious National League clubs would give their eye teeth to have. As I read that Wrexham are preparing to start their 13th consecutive season of non-league football, it does underline how this grand old club has stagnated and under achieved. But now by opening themselves up to new revenue streams, unencumbered by current cooperative ownership restrictions, might we see a change of fortunes for Wrexham FC ? The people of Wrexham are passionate about the town's football club. But the failure to progress must have ground them down, as well as taught them a lesson. You can have all the theory in the world, but a practical lesson can teach you so much more. As the General Election loomed in December, there was plenty of speculation about which constituencies might shun their sitting Labour MP, for fear of putting Commie Corbo into No.10. Now whether we've got anything different by having Bolshevik Boris instead, is a moot point, but one for another thread. My contention, was that the constituency to watch was Wrexham. The people keep a close eye on the football club, they'll have witnessed Socialistic principles being put into practice for years now .... if anyone was going to say 'Sorry Mr. Corbyn, it all sounds good, but we've seen for ourselves that it doesn't translate well into reality' it would be the voters of Wreham . And so it looks as if Wrewham's 'Reds Out' verdict as regard to their parliamentary representation (a 5.8% swing to win the seat for the Tories) will now be swiftly followed by a further 'Reds Out' vote at the football club. Now we shouldn't jump the gun entirely. Hard line Trust members won't give up the levers of power willingly. But a vote there will be held, initially next Tuesday evening I believe, as to whether talks to get a transition to non Trust ownership can get started. Now however much he might look like a trainee used car salesman, Spencer Harris, seen above, is laying out some home truths. Commenting on the prospective new owners, he states: 'the proposal is that they would be looking to take on 100 per cent of the shareholding. With a 100 per cent shareholding in the club, they would be the people - or the representatives on their behalf - making the decisions to take the club forwards'A bitter pill for committed Trust ownership fans to swallow, but hopefully they will weigh up what is in the best interests of the club and vote accordingly, rather than allow dogma to sway their vote. Good luck to Wrexham, as a potentially bright opportunity opens up for them ..... and not before time.
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