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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 18:47:00 GMT
Glasgow Rangers unveiled their new manager, the Portuguese bullfighter Pedro Caixinha, at Ibrox today. Still some considerable way short of rivals Celtic as regards the strength and quality of their squad, Rangers fans should be content with further steady building before Rangers can regain their rightful title as Glasgow's top club. Pedro appeared to conclude his Press Conference today with a personal message to TUST militants, Celtic fans, and Leftists everywhere. Also a few additional photo's from Rangers excellent 1-1 draw at Celtic Park on Sunday.     |
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Post by Rob on Mar 16, 2017 20:37:05 GMT
Don't let this get in the way of anything. Get back to your Future of TUST thread and rekindle that TFF bromance as soon as you can. Thoughts with you both.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 14:19:16 GMT
Rob I'm sure I speak for Floridagull also, in thanking Rob for his best wishes  . Although, if the Russians have hacked into TFF and removed Florida's post, then it should be a concern to us all. I didn't get home till late last night, and only had one read of Florida's excellent post, while drinking my Ovaltine, so, going from memory, I think Floridagull asked if, despite my obvious partisan comments in the opening post, whether 'top club' status should ever be granted by 'right' ? Whether Glasgow's top club is Celtic, Rangers, or Partick Thistle, it should be an honour that's been earned, rather than one club or other being entitled to it by right. I'm sure we'd want the same criteria applied if deciding who Devon's top club is, has been, or will be in future, rather than simply declaring it would always be the Greens . So no, I couldn't seriously justify my comment that Rangers have a 'rightful' entitlement to always be regarded as Glasgow's top club. Inadequate punishments to cheating athletes has seen public faith in the sport get badly undermined. Italian football has issued soft punishments relating to bribery scandals over the last 4 or 5 decades, resulting in recurrences of the same problems. And as for cycling....is it the teams, is it the authorities, do they even care ?....and if it hadn't been for the 'Fancy Bears' would the sport's followers have even known what Wiggins and others were allegedly up to, in order to gain an unfair advantage over other competitors ? Floridagull also made the point that Rangers flouting of the (financial) rules amounted to cheating, and that their demotion and fines were fully deserved. And again, nothing that I could truly argue against. And all more interesting than trying to interest anyone, even TUST members themselves probably, in the future of TUST. Recent months have demonstrated that it's a subject that even it's membership prefers to steer clear of, so why make them unnecessarily suffer further ? In the months leading up to Christmas, and particularly with the Pre-share issue fiasco, the South Devon community delivered it's damning verdict on TUST.....is there now any point dwelling on the bleakness of TUST's future ? If the South Devon Community's verdict on TUST could be adapted into a Forum post, I think it would be a 'one worder': 'Finished!' TUST's views are clear. They've circulated their members explaining that they have no objection in principle to G.I getting the freehold of Plainmoor, so hopefully this will proceed sooner rather than later. Also, TUST reported after it's meeting in January with both Chris Rich(CR) and Tim Herbert(TH) that: ' Many of the comments made by both CR and TH were positive and if implemented, TUST representatives believe will be supported by many fans'.For the moment, it's best just to commend TUST on their more reasoned and sensible comments, and advise them to continue to wait patiently and quietly until G.I can identify some kind of Focus Group activity to help occupy their time. |
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Post by Rob on Mar 17, 2017 19:15:03 GMT
Indeed below in quotes are those clear TUST views on Plainmoor that you praise, AJ. I'm surprised you're such a big fan of their position and sensible watching brief of GI.
#BackSackOrCrack #GoneSour #SympathyForKev ?? Whatever the motivation, your less militant and more considered appraisal is noted.
AJ's Road to Damascus:
"Riviera Stadium Limited have made no secret of the fact that they wish to build a new event stadium but until they publish their plans and explain their reasons for needing to own the freehold of Plainmoor before a new stadium is built we have no choice but to challenge any decision to dispose of the Plainmoor lease".
Not sure why Flo retracted his 'Gers opposition. Seems fair enough to me, as well. Keep up the good fight, Comrade Joe. Don't let GI get you down. #PoorKev #RivieraRanieriIndeed
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Post by Jon on Mar 18, 2017 12:55:13 GMT
"... until they publish their plans and explain their reasons for needing to own the freehold of Plainmoor before a new stadium is built we have no choice but to challenge any decision to dispose of the Plainmoor lease". That pretty much nails it. Of course, the status quo is that TUFC has a lease that runs until 2081 - so no need whatsoever for any change. The onus is on Clarke Osborne to demonstrate a compelling need to overturn the status quo - something he has shown no signs of even attempting to do as yet. Given GI's appalling track record of failing to deliver on promised new stadia, only the most gullible - so brilliantly parodied on here by Alpine Joe - would dream of letting them get their hands on the freehold. Such was the ease with which GI were able to pull off their scheme to buy the club for £1, they may have been lulled into thinking that snatching Plainmoor will be equally easy. I am sure they will be disappointed on that score. |
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Post by rjdgull on Mar 18, 2017 15:40:55 GMT
"... until they publish their plans and explain their reasons for needing to own the freehold of Plainmoor before a new stadium is built we have no choice but to challenge any decision to dispose of the Plainmoor lease". That pretty much nails it. Of course, the status quo is that TUFC has a lease that runs until 2081 - so no need whatsoever for any change. The onus is on Clarke Osborne to demonstrate a compelling need to overturn the status quo - something he has shown no signs of even attempting to do as yet. Given GI's appalling track record of failing to deliver on promised new stadia, only the most gullible - so brilliantly parodied on here by Alpine Joe - would dream of letting them get their hands on the freehold. Such was the ease with which GI were able to pull off their scheme to buy the club for £1, they may have been lulled into thinking that snatching Plainmoor will be equally easy. I am sure they will be disappointed on that score. The lease is a massive asset to the club as there is literally millions of pounds of tenant' s improvements which have to be discounted in any rental assessment. For its purpose, the stadium is fit for up to league 1 level at least and any move away from Plainmoor has to be considered very carefully, not least, will we get as a minimum the same capacity and facilities for a similar rent or its a retrograde step. GI has made no secret of acquiring the freehold as part of some redevelopment process but with no separation between club and developer there is now no independent voice for TUFC when a conflict of interest arises between what would be best for the club to move to and what makes the most business sense for GI. Discussions over the freehold do not appear to have been particularly transparent and as far as I am aware, the March 15 meeting was not open to the public -does anyone have any feedback from this? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 23:03:28 GMT
Rob I don't recall doing that. Having so recently stated that sensible and reasoned posts by TUST could be praised, I can't work out why I'd treat their more idiotic ones in the same way ? Not that the quotes Rob provides are without interest. I assume he's dragged up a very old quote from TUST as it includes "and explain their reasons for needing to own the freehold of Plainmoor"G.I spelt out the situation to TUST as far back as January, and TUST appeared to understand, as they reported to their members on January 21st that G.I's position was that ownership of the Plainmoor freehold 'was not essential'. It will be tiresome if alternative facts, in direct contradiction to what they've been told, are now being requested by our favourite 'Fans Representatives' Best to let the discussions and negotiations take their course. With local Authorities desperate for cash in order to finance even the most basic of services that they're compelled to provide, it could well be that the Torbay public's well known disinterest in it's football club, might be enough to convince the Council that now is the time to divest itself of Plainmoor in order to receive funds that can be used to the benefit of the more numerous non football attending public of the Bay. I think we can all see that the Council could be dragging it's feet a lot more slowly if it so wished, but it's obvious readiness to discuss the lease will have us all drawing our own conclusions. How badly do the Council wish to press ahead with other schemes that might be enabled by the disposal of Plainmoor ? How keen are they for their constituents to be able to enjoy the facilities that could arise from a deal ?. Who actually holds the best hand of cards ?, and could the tables yet be turned until we see Clarke Osborne demanding that the Council make a compelling case as to why G.I should buy Plainmoor off them ? Plenty of water to flow under the bridge yet, even without the ACV six month delay. I'll add a picture, just to keep us on (Scottish) topic  |
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Post by Rob on Mar 19, 2017 0:28:59 GMT
If it helps, both myself and Jon quoted something posted on this site on March 8th. Whether that counts as "ages ago" is uncertain. Further uncertainty exists as to whether it is irony or comedic mastery to parody the most gullible while overlooking reported GI freehold commentary from your regular focus of choice. I'm in generous mood tonight, so it's a from me. And another referendum from her. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 14:00:53 GMT
A 'Good Luck Steven' thread wasn't even attempted given that the likelihood that TUST Militants would hijack and derail it. However, Steven Gerrard is doing a first class job in reviving the Gers, and defeating the auld enemy on Saturday, thereby taking them to joint top of the League, underlines just how well Gerrard is doing. Rangers revival under relatively new management, coinciding with our own. The perfect opponents for a celebratory first match at the Osborne Arena ? Scheduled for a Summer evening kick off and with plenty of good natured Blues fans boosting the local economy. Let's start building those connections now, with a few friendly gestures such as stocking Torquay United/Glasgow Rangers half and half scarves in the club shop. While having all our eggs in the Bristol City basket is paying short term dividends, let's also court one of Britain's very greatest clubs as well. Today also, some of us will recall the twisted railings from the (black & white in my case) TV news pictures from the Ibrox disaster of 48 years ago.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 16:41:10 GMT
Floridagull's historical recollections are disappointing to hear, and there are still one or two bad apples to be found. Even at Plainmoor there seems to have been a spectator not known for loudly proclaiming the virtues of diversity. While the religious sectarianism in a city such as Glasgow has been well ingrained, hopefully inroads are being made to decrease any racist elements, particularly in the younger generation coming through. Top scorer Alfredo Morelos shares the love with the Ibrox crowd, rather than sensing the hate. It could all be a sign of a new era of tolerance. Or maybe they've recently had a visit from Leroy ? Scotland is heavily populated with Rangers fans, yet even Felix deems it safe enough to take his extreme left wing views with him, and set up camp north of the border. Although the real test is when he goes walkabout wearing that Trotsky cap and glasses !  Sheffield Wednesday fans today welcoming former Sheffield United Manager, Steve Bruce to Hillsborough, it's one big united football family in Britain these days, prompted I suspect, by our vote for greater diversity with all corners of the world, and breaking free from E.U isolationism. Let's encourage Rangers to keep making progress. But if they're not thought to be quite ready for the honour of being first guests at the Osborne Arena, I will respect Florida's preference that we look elsewhere for high profile opponents. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 15:42:31 GMT
Well, I must admit that Kilmarnock’s home win over Rangers last night would have barely registered with me, and as for the scorer of Killes winning goal, Jordan Jones, I would have never have heard of the lad……..had it not been for my diligent observations of the Supporters Trust movement.
Jones’ winning goal also emphasising that when Trust officials leave their comfort zone of politics, and instead try to pontificate on football matters, they can quickly be seen to be out of their depth.
As TFF is a bit quiet just now, I’ll use a bit of space to set the scene. In the first week of January young Jones, a Kilmarnock player, signed a pre-contract agreement with Rangers, which will allow him to move to Ibrox this coming Summer once the season is over.
Jonesy, a Rangers fan since boyhood, was naturally cockahoop, saying it was ‘a dream come true’, but also going on to emphasise that "I’ve said it before and will say it again I couldn’t be more grateful to @kilmarnockfc for their support and backing the last 3 years.Without them I couldn’t of achieved this dream. I have give everything for the club and will continue to do so. Thankyou."
But that’s when the head of the Kilmarnock Supporters Trust decided to play his part in stoking up what developed into an apparent hate campaign targeting Jordan Jones. As the Daily Record reported on the 9th January, under the headline: 'Rangers signing Jordan Jones slammed by Kilmarnock Supporters Trust chief'
The Trust seemed to be targeting Jones as the enemy within. Kilmarnock fans’ chief Barry Richmond has opened fire on Jordan Jones and insisted 'he should never play for his club again', reported the Record. The newspaper went on to report that Richmond had ‘launched a furious attack’ on Jones, with the Trust boss ‘insisting he ‘wants Jones sold but not to Rangers’.
Kilmarnock Trust Director Richmond was further quoted as saying “Someone should be looking at that. It’s ridiculous this is happening. That guy is absolutely no use to us now for the rest of his contract. It’s no surprise where he went”
Now move forward to last Wednesday, a week before the game, and the anti Jones sentiment is building more greatly than ever as the game against Rangers nears.
The BBC headlined last Wednesday ‘Steve Clarke tells Kilmarnock fans: 'Boo Jordan Jones and you are booing me too'
Kilmarnock Manager, Clarke, stating: "If fans boo Jordan, then they're booing me as well because, if I select Jordan, then they're criticising my selection"
The lengthy BBC piece (as we’d expect) is careful to make no mention of Kilmarnock Trust’s role in denigrating Jones, and implicitly criticising Team Manager Clarke if he dared pick a player who a top Trust man had so recently described as being ‘absolutely no use’ to Kilmarnock. And so we come right up to date with last night’s match. Jermain Defoe puts Rangers ahead on his debut, but Killie equalise. Then, halfway through the second half, and the BBC match report tells us ‘The Northern Irish winger lashed in from 22 yards and ran to celebrate with manager Steve Clarke’
Pleasing solidarity between the two, both doing their best for Kilmarnock, despite some connected with the club having done so much to make their lives difficult over recent weeks. And more than a hint of a swipe at Trust in Steve Clarke’s post match comments:
Kilmarnock manager Steve Clarke: "I know what Jordan is like. I know he is committed to Kilmarnock until the end of this season. Jordan has got himself a fantastic move but that's for next season".
Let’s hope the boo boys will now allow Jones to continue doing his best for Kilmarnock, and not allow themselves to be influenced by those telling them that Jones ‘is absolutely useless’ to Kilmarnock. Far better to listen to the manager, or the player himself, or to judge Jordan Jones on his great performances for Kilmarnock, such as the one he gave last night, and which have fired the team into second place just one point below leaders Celtic.
And whether Jones can or will prove himself able to play equally well for Rangers, is a question that can only be properly assessed next season.
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. Although, if the Russians have hacked into TFF and removed Florida's post, then it should be a concern to us all. I didn't get home till late last night, and only had one read of Florida's excellent post, while drinking my Ovaltine, so, going from memory, I think Floridagull asked if, despite my obvious partisan comments in the opening post, whether 'top club' status should ever be granted by 'right' ?
