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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 10:26:26 GMT
Whatever the perceived unfairnesses of the Playoff system, the matches are invariably exciting and colourful affairs. While we hope to soon see Exeter Trust members running across the Wembley turf, happily waving Guardian's in celebration, there's also the big Reading v Huddersfield clash to come, while yesterday it was the turn of Millwall versus Bradford City. To get the outcome you want, it's sometimes necessary to dominate and bully your opponents in sport, and the Millwall lads achieved just that, while their loyal supporters played their part in adopting a 'This Stadium is Ours' atmosphere on the day. Disappointment for the Bradford faithful who headed home for a consolation curry, but there's always next season for them. Yesterday however, belonged to the Lions from the New Den.
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Post by chelstongull on May 21, 2017 11:36:43 GMT
Whatever the perceived unfairnesses of the Playoff system There are obviously two camps and neither would agree with the other! Me, I’m in the ‘it’s based over a season’ camp. Still, it’s far worse for the egg chasers, as he who finishes top goes into a 4-way playoff – madness. Me, I’m off to Cockington for a jam first cream tea now.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 17:24:59 GMT
Floridagull It's a system that leaves itself open to, and will inevitably throw up, some massive injustices. Of course next season in Torquay's division even the 7th placed team will be taking their place in the end of season play-offs. Just looking at the final Premier League table now, you've the second place side (Spurs) having accumulated 86 points over the course of the season, while the 7th placed side (Everton) fell 25 points short of that, totalling 61 points. Should there be any system whereby Everton could still win the greater prize than Spurs at the end of that season's league endeavours ? My greater concern at National league level and below, is the effect that this expansion will have on the relegation fight. Many National League sides have a sprinkling of very good players, but plenty of average ones, and then a squad padded out with some decidedly iffy ones who would only get played as a last resort. With only one club getting automatic promotion, and every chance that that club will have pulled clear of the rest a few games before the end of the season, there could be several sides with a guaranteed play-off place, knowing they can't fall further than 7th. At this level, having your best players fresh, injury free, and available, is massively more to your advantage than whether you're home or away (particularly if your away form is good in any case). Even at Championship level, Huddersfield Manager, Dave Wagner, was honest enough to say that he didn't have a big squad of good players, and so once Newcastle and Brighton were well clear and uncatchable for the promotion places, Wagner didn't give a damn about Huddersfield's results then, or about the perceived advantage of home leg first etc....his sole concern was on protecting his best players, protecting them from yellow cards, injuries or fatigue that would either prevent or inhibit their appearance in the play-offs. While Wagner spent the rest of the Season with Huddersfield soft pedalling, with players not really deserving to have a first team shirt getting one handed to them, it had consequences for other clubs, such as effectively relegatiing Blackburn Rovers. The farcical game whereby Huddersfield with their 10 changes, lost to a hopeless Birmingham side, was one of the best, or should that be 'worst' examples. Birmingham were reduced to 10 men after 23 minutes, but still managed to go on and score two goals and win against the Huddersfield Reserves that Wagner had put out that day. Link - Mowbray: 'We're Victims of The Play-Offs'Of course Blackburn's Mowbray isn't pleased, as he contemplates League One football next season, when even a draw in the game mentioned above would have kept Rovers up. But who blames Wagner ? He's currently enjoying the Portuguese sunshine with his Huddersfield players, and when they come back they've only got to win one match and the hundreds of millions of Premier League money will be theirs, plus the guaranteed years of massive parachute payments should they come straight back down. Sod Blackburn, sod fair play....Huddersfield didn't invent the play-off system, but are using it to their best advantage. And just listen to the fuss about the kick off time for (Community Owned ) Exeter's play-off first leg game at Carlisle. Think about the Exeter fans we were told. Yet those Exeter fans, along with supporters of all play-off involved clubs, were already guaranteed a home game to watch. Contrast that with the National League next season where fans will be urging their side to get to 6th or 7th place, only to find that from then on, they as supporters, will be shut out of proceedings. Only away games from then on, or a desperately expensive Wembley trip. A good many supporters just can't get to away games, particularly if they're mid-week. The current system of giving all fans of play-off teams a home game to watch is now scrapped at our level. And even if you had a job that allowed it, and plenty of money, just how much would it cost a fan of the 6th or 7th placed team to have travelled to two away games, plus the even more expensive Wembley game, all within a fairly short time frame ? Weakened teams (and that means severely weakened at National League level) making a lottery of important matches effecting relegation issues, no longer a home match to watch for fans of two play-off teams, and what you lose in fairness you gain in talking points .
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 19:42:12 GMT
And the result is in. A ruling on #10reservesgate has today been delivered by the Football League. The League top brass declaring that they were in 'no doubt' that Huddersfield could have fielded a 'stronger' side in that crucial game against Birmingham. But whether it could be stronger or not isn't the crucial point when you study the exact wording of the rules. The question to be answered was whether it was ' full strength'. And on that point Huddersfield were successfully able to tie the League officials up in knots. With the blazers from League Headquarters having to concede that there is an 'absence of a full and detailed definition of what constitutes 'full strength'.With the help of 3 big dictionaries and Susie Dent from countdown in their corner, The Terriers bamboozled the League's officialdom sufficiently to win the day. The outcome being that The Football League will change the wording at their AGM in June, in the hope of not being outsmarted by the Dave Wagner's of this world in future. Huddersfield's challenge to the 'full strength' definition has prompted the EFL to review this prior to its annual general meeting in June.
The statement read: "The board has requested the EFL executive to consider amendments to ensure that the actions of any individual club cannot be seen to negatively impact the credibility and public perception of the competition.
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Post by gullone on May 28, 2017 16:28:10 GMT
Well played Blackpool...the right team won all day long...
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 0:13:37 GMT
After letting in an early goal Exeter played some good football and got back into the game, levelling before half time. Once Blackpool took the lead for the second time, City struggled to create clear cut chances that might have brought them an equaliser. Disappointment for Exeter fans, but there were concerns as to how seriously their club were taking things when it was noted that Paul Tisdale had decided to wear a pair of comedy shoes for the occasion. And so it was Blackpool who had the last laugh, with a a good chuckle at Mr.T's footwear, and a joyful celebratory journey back to Lancashire. Commiserations to our 'Community' pals from up the road.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 12:10:35 GMT
After the exciting spectacle of the F.A Cup final, this was a cagey affair with two hours of football that wouldn't have got the pulses of neutral viewers racing. Irrespective of a safety first approach, negative goal difference, and fielding below strength sides during the run-in, I'm sure many will welcome Huddersfield's promotion. I'm only too happy to see fixtures such as Burnley v Huddersfield once again being top division clashes, rather than a club like Reading, that oozes Southern middle class affluence (no wonder Waitrose identified them as the club to sponsor) taking another Premier League spot. So let's kick off the 'colour' section with a black & white view of Leeds Road, Huddersfield, as it was back in the 1930's. Less pleasant information might be finding out what the Huddersfield's Season ticket holders will be paying to watch Chelsea, and comparing it to what we'll have to fork out to watch AFC Fylde link- Huddersfield Season Tickets 2017/18
A colourful flourish to finish off with, as Schindler indicates it's time to start listing Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool, and Chelsea among the sides destined to visit Huddersfield next season, thanks to his winning penalty that clinched promotion for The Terriers yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 20:10:56 GMT
That year whizzed by. Let's hope we can grab the one automatic promotion spot without having to enter the lottery of the play-offs next season. Saturday saw the big Fulham v Aston Villa clash to decide who moves up to the Premier League. Fulham getting a 1-0 win thanks to a first half goal. London already very well represented in the top tier, whereas Wolverhampton will be the closest venue to the second city where top flight football will be taking place. A very tough division to get out of, particularly if you don't have a fortune to help you thanks to massive parachute payment s from the Premier League; no wonder Gary Rowett rightly concluded it was a no brainer to leave Birmingham for Stoke a week or two ago. It also underlines just how inept you have to be, step forward Chris Colman and Sunderland, to have that parachute payment and somehow manage to fall straight through to League One. I think Gareth Bale underlined on Saturday night that the talent was on the pitch when Wales had a little successful spell, although some still credited the hapless Coleman. But back to Saturday, and Villa did at least have the Man of the Match on their side, although whether they can persuade him to wear claret and blue again for another season in the Championship is far from certain. As The Guardian's match report described: Grealish ran himself into the ground on Saturday evening. Rarely can a player have been fouled as much and this was like watching George Best up against a whole team of Chopper Harrises. West Brom, Stoke City and Swansea, with their enormous parachute payments after their relegation, would all love a Grealish in their side next season. Either way they will be just three sizeable road blocks to Villa as they contemplate a third season in the Championship.
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Post by hector on May 30, 2018 10:33:31 GMT
That year whizzed by. Let's hope we can grab the one automatic promotion spot without having to enter the lottery of the play-offs next season. Saturday saw the big Fulham v Aston Villa clash to decide who moves up to the Premier League. Fulham getting a 1-0 win thanks to a first half goal. London already very well represented in the top tier, whereas Wolverhampton will be the closest venue to the second city where top flight football will be taking place. A very tough division to get out of, particularly if you don't have a fortune to help you thanks to massive parachute payment s from the Premier League; no wonder Gary Rowett rightly concluded it was a no brainer to leave Birmingham for Stoke a week or two ago. It also underlines just how inept you have to be, step forward Chris Colman and Sunderland, to have that parachute payment and somehow manage to fall straight through to League One. I think Gareth Bale underlined on Saturday night that the talent was on the pitch when Wales had a little successful spell, although some still credited the hapless Coleman. But back to Saturday, and Villa did at least have the Man of the Match on their side, although whether they can persuade him to wear claret and blue again for another season in the Championship is far from certain. As The Guardian's match report described: Grealish ran himself into the ground on Saturday evening. Rarely can a player have been fouled as much and this was like watching George Best up against a whole team of Chopper Harrises. West Brom, Stoke City and Swansea, with their enormous parachute payments after their relegation, would all love a Grealish in their side next season. Either way they will be just three sizeable road blocks to Villa as they contemplate a third season in the Championship.
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Not sure if you were engaging in some of your Osbornesque fake news, but Rowett left Derby rather than Birmingham for Stoke. Birmingham sacked him before he went to Derby. 😁
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 13:30:18 GMT
My gratitude to Hector for spotting and correcting that error. It was indeed Derby County, and the considerable financial cutbacks they will need to make next season that I had been reading about, which may well have prompted Gary Rowett to head off in the direction of Stoke instead. Just checking The Rams wikipedia page it says: Derby failed to finish in the play-offs the following season, which saw McClaren sacked as local-businessman Mel Morris assumed control. Morris oversaw a level of spending unprecedented in Derby's history over the following three years, breaking the clubs transfer record four times, but also saw an unprecedented managerial turnover as went through six managers between June 2015 and May 2017. In this three-season period, Derby qualified for the play-offs twice, but failed to get past the semi-finals on both occasions.Perhaps no surprise therefore that FFP regulations might kick in to hinder Derby's progress next season, although not enough of a concern to dissuade Frank Lampard Jnr from becoming the new Manager at Pride Park today. With Aston Villa losing the play-off final, as well as John Terry's considerable influence for next season, among the BBC's report yesterday were these words from the club Chairman: "We are all aware we will face severe Financial Fair Play challenges next season. Villa needs to be a sustainable football club. We have been heavily investing for the past two seasons. However, the loss on Saturday means that we need to change a lot of things."
Under a new set of FFP regulations agreed in November 2014, Championship clubs are not permitted to lose more than £39m over a three-season period. Xia, who bought the club in June 2016, has spent a large amount in his two years at the club, with Scott Hogan, Ross McCormack and Jonathan Kodjia all joining for fees in excess of £10m. At Championiship level at least, it seems you're allowed to drive flat out for 2 or 3 laps, but then are forced to take it easy to conserve your tyres. Whereas at Plainmoor, we hope to be able to not only provide Gary Owers with a promotion budget, but also in tandem, take farther steps towards long term sustainability, by making more progress towards a move to a revenue generating modern stadium. Plenty of time to plan for those financial rules that we'll have to comply with once we've risen to Championship level
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 7:45:39 GMT
While only a fraction of the old pictures remain, possibly vandalised and destroyed during a largely peaceful Anti Racist protest, it's still timely to resurrect a thread that started off with mention of Exeter City Trust members, by now continuing with that same theme. rjdgull Last night's game was much more exciting and open than the first leg. Exeter were alert, not just to keep the virus in check, but to hit Colchester early and pull back to level terms on aggregate. I'd give all credit to the club's Head Of Coaching, who had the players in tip top condition and with their strategy worked out. A calm clinical finish from Ryan Bowman, after a Colchester forward had fluffed a similar one against one chance only 5 minutes before at the other end; this settled the tie. Watching the Premier league games over the last week, you get used to cameras picking out the likes of Spurs chairman Daniel Levy watching their game against Manchester United, or Trevor Brooking in the stadium spectating at West Ham v Wolves. Now whether the VIP equivalent at St.James Park would be the Trust committee, I don't know, but there was a noticeable smattering of spectators there for one reason or another. It might have been the Norwich v Southampton game where I recall the commentator mention in passing that 300 in total had been allowed inside the stadium for the match. But never mind, on the other side of the pitch, the Stagecoach stand was packed with cardboard Trust members, all remaining silent and motionless in the best interests of the club when Ryan Bowman tucked away the winning goal to send the Grecians to Wembley. Among their number was a cardboard Ryan Lowe, the Argyle manager, resplendent in Exeter shirt and scarf, smiling broadly as the red and whites booked their place in the final. Neither the Big Bank nor the Trust End broke into song to declare that 'We won't be on our way to Wembley' to watch their team due to restrictive Government regulations. Despite a cavernous Wembley providing an outdoor location allowing for each spectator to have a whole row of seats to themself, and in far greater safety than in an enclosed supermarket back in Exeter. Well done Kev and Ryan. Now let's remind ourselves of last night's occasion in glorious technicolor
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