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Post by bobgull on Sept 27, 2023 6:56:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2023 7:37:42 GMT
I think we’ve already covered this? 🤔
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Post by rjdgull on Sept 30, 2023 8:10:54 GMT
Like or loathe the club, you can only respect what their Trust has done with the fans putting an emphasis on the long-term sustainability of the club, which protects the model as opposed to a boom and bust, let’s spend and get promoted this year approach. They can do that because like any trust, they are there to keep the club going for the next generation and are slowly building infrastructure, support and community involvement which is maximised from this model and helps massively with the running costs. An example of this engagement is that the Exeter City women played at Saint James Park last Sunday, getting a crowd of 1550 - link and to put that into context, in our league, only ourselves, Yeovil and Maidstone have higher average league attendance so far this season! Of course Exeter had that Manchester United tie and have regular transfer fee infusions from their Academy, but they can’t have got to where they are without very good running of the club. I think the strength of the model is that you are constantly bringing in new people, new talent with fresh ideas and lots of motivation. It’s certainly an environment where their managers seem to thrive within, perhaps helped by not having to deal so much with short-term pressures and knowing the club have got their backs. You do need a good appointment process though for this policy to work. I have met most and know some of their board and it’s a good team of people that want the best for the club and while there are always tensions within the fan base about what direction to pull in, it is an environment where the right decisions are generally made. I think this structure compares very favourably with our board which doesn’t have the same depth or transparency and consequently mistakes will be made. Illustratively, the Exeter board are two leagues above and riding high from where they started while our board is one league below from where they started despite apparently massive funding. However, Exeter are where they are due to having their hand forced to keep the club going when no one else was willing and TUFC are where they are. Fortunately TUST have never been put in the same situation as Exeter were and have no desire to do so as that would mean a existential crisis threatening the club but they will be there if absolutely necessary to keep the club going for the next generation if and when that is needed. In the meantime, they have a very different role to play and it is just unfortunate that they are currently blocked from working with the club which is unable to take any form of constructive criticism.
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Post by Jon on Sept 30, 2023 8:35:24 GMT
It is amazing how many people seize on the smallest stumble by a fan-owned club as “proof” that the model is broken, whilst championing a model that has given us Bury, Southend, Scunthorpe, etc.
Newport is a very similar sized club to us. Their lottery winner walked at the same time as ours.
They went down the community route but are now welcoming external investment from a very well-vetted source. The community model has established them in League 2 with playoff finals and cup runs.
A failure according to some, but Newport are not in National League South or a basket case like Southend.
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Post by nickbrod on Sept 30, 2023 10:12:02 GMT
At last a thread with grown-up opinions not resorting to name calling and ridicule. TUST regrets not being able to work with the club as we have many ideas and projects we would like to share for the benefit of all. Exeter's 'model' is something many, many other clubs would love from Sheffield to Scunthorpe to Southend.
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Post by bobgull on Sept 30, 2023 11:13:18 GMT
Like or loathe the club, you can only respect what their Trust has done with the fans putting an emphasis on the long-term sustainability of the club, which protects the model as opposed to a boom and bust, let’s spend and get promoted this year approach. They can do that because like any trust, they are there to keep the club going for the next generation and are slowly building infrastructure, support and community involvement which is maximised from this model and helps massively with the running costs. An example of this engagement is that the Exeter City women played at Saint James Park last Sunday, getting a crowd of 1550 - link and to put that into context, in our league, only ourselves, Yeovil and Maidstone have higher average league attendance so far this season! Of course Exeter had that Manchester United tie and have regular transfer fee infusions from their Academy, but they can’t have got to where they are without very good running of the club. I think the strength of the model is that you are constantly bringing in new people, new talent with fresh ideas and lots of motivation. It’s certainly an environment where their managers seem to thrive within, perhaps helped by not having to deal so much with short-term pressures and knowing the club have got their backs. You do need a good appointment process though for this policy to work. I have met most and know some of their board and it’s a good team of people that want the best for the club and while there are always tensions within the fan base about what direction to pull in, it is an environment where the right decisions are generally made. I think this structure compares very favourably with our board which doesn’t have the same depth or transparency and consequently mistakes will be made. Illustratively, the Exeter board are two leagues above and riding high from where they started while our board is one league below from where they started despite apparently massive funding. However, Exeter are where they are due to having their hand forced to keep the club going when no one else was willing and TUFC are where they are. Fortunately TUST have never been put in the same situation as Exeter were and have no desire to do so as that would mean a existential crisis threatening the club but they will be there if absolutely necessary to keep the club going for the next generation if and when that is needed. In the meantime, they have a very different role to play and it is just unfortunate that they are currently blocked from working with the club which is unable to take any form of constructive criticism. A lot of good points well made rjdgull. The tie with Man United has unfortunately become a bit of a get out clause for the "fan ownership doesn't work" contingent. For me, the point is that the trust could have rolled over, the club would have ceased to exist and they wouldn't have been in that FA Cup draw. Maybe if the balls had come out of the bag in a different order they wouldn't be where they are today. They would however have still been making money by selling players that have come through their academy - their other source revenue that funded their success. It is not widely known or understood that during the upheaval between Thea's tenure and Gaming International taking over we came within a hair's breadth of becoming a fan owned club. If that had happened we would: 1. Be 5 years into being run as a community club, and 2. In all probability by now playing at a higher level than National League South.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2023 11:21:21 GMT
At last a thread with grown-up opinions not resorting to name calling and ridicule. TUST regrets not being able to work with the club as we have many ideas and projects we would like to share for the benefit of all. Exeter's 'model' is something many, many other clubs would love from Sheffield to Scunthorpe to Southend. Wow, grown up opinions name calling and ridicule…in other words you mean someone who disagrees with you, and you don’t have the cognitive ability to understand or accept it. God help us…the Greys are out in force today! I will be making a comment or two on this thread sometime later and there will be a large amount of ridicule, a tiny bit of name calling and if you think my comments are childish, in all honesty I don’t give a shit! 🦦
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Post by nickbrod on Sept 30, 2023 11:31:56 GMT
At last a thread with grown-up opinions not resorting to name calling and ridicule. TUST regrets not being able to work with the club as we have many ideas and projects we would like to share for the benefit of all. Exeter's 'model' is something many, many other clubs would love from Sheffield to Scunthorpe to Southend. Good job Torquay doesn't begin with an 'S'.
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Post by bobgull on Sept 30, 2023 13:20:55 GMT
At last a thread with grown-up opinions not resorting to name calling and ridicule. TUST regrets not being able to work with the club as we have many ideas and projects we would like to share for the benefit of all. Exeter's 'model' is something many, many other clubs would love from Sheffield to Scunthorpe to Southend. Wow, grown up opinions name calling and ridicule…in other words you mean someone who disagrees with you, and you don’t have the cognitive ability to understand or accept it. God help us…the Greys are out in force today! I will be making a comment or two on this thread sometime later and there will be a large amount of ridicule, a tiny bit of name calling and if you think my comments are childish, in all honesty I don’t give a shit! 🦦 It' a bit rich for someone who has a message/tag line from a Buddhist master concerning karma to admit that he will later be indulging in ridicule and name calling. Either live by the tenets that you espouse or delete your tag line.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2023 14:41:19 GMT
Wow, grown up opinions name calling and ridicule…in other words you mean someone who disagrees with you, and you don’t have the cognitive ability to understand or accept it. God help us…the Greys are out in force today! I will be making a comment or two on this thread sometime later and there will be a large amount of ridicule, a tiny bit of name calling and if you think my comments are childish, in all honesty I don’t give a shit! 🦦 It' a bit rich for someone who has a message/tag line from a Buddhist master concerning karma to admit that he will later be indulging in ridicule and name calling. Either live by the tenets that you espouse or delete your tag line. If only you were able to realise that ridicule, name calling and Buddhist Masters don’t actually exist. 🙂
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2023 13:38:51 GMT
In order not to exacerbate the drama going on in people’s heads I am going to keep this as simple as I can, no ridicule, any of that stuff just plain common sense.
Some fortunate men have sha&&ed Taylor Swift, and according to everyone on this thread (with one exception) you all believe by some God given right we should all be in line to sha& Taylor Swift! Well he did it and him did it, so I must do it…talk about going back to the primary school playground.
Exeter did well with a group of people in the right place at the right time, and because of that you all believe that there is a God given right that it should also happen to us. If this had happened to a club like Dagenham or something who are miles away, this subject would never be broached…fat chance!
Having to mention for the squilliance time the FA Cup run that Exeter had irks me but it has to be mentioned, and it’s mentioned because that is the catalyst to all this, without which in all likelihood there would only be one Devon team in the league!
Oh wait a minute, should we get taken over by the tust you think we should also play Man Utd…sometimes I think trying to educate a Trilobite that has been dead for 250 million years would be infinitely easier.
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Post by rjdgull on Oct 1, 2023 15:07:26 GMT
Granted, Exeter had the right people at the right time and the club also have inherent advantages over little TUFC with a larger support base and their academy. No one really knows if the same thing can be done at TUFC but the success at Exeter does provide inspiration that it could be done.
Personally, I don’t think it is right to have a polarised opinion on the different models of ownership. It can be seen that the Hollywood ownership of Wrexham achieved promotion back into the league very quickly, whereas the community owned club spent many years unable to achieve just that despite having a very good fan base. A typical community club no doubt has better success than a privately owned club that is badly run as fans at Scunthorpe or Southend are finding out.
I suppose this debate is about whether TUFC as a community own club is a viable option if the need ever arose which it currently doesn’t. This is a big IF! May not be in our lifetime, could be next season. As a TUFC fan, I would support whichever option is best for the club. If it was between TUST and a bad owner, then TUST, if it was between TUST and Taylor Swift……..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2023 16:17:18 GMT
Granted, Exeter had the right people at the right time and the club also have inherent advantages over little TUFC with a larger support base and their academy. No one really knows if the same thing can be done at TUFC but the success at Exeter does provide inspiration that it could be done. Personally, I don’t think it is right to have a polarised opinion on the different models of ownership. It can be seen that the Hollywood ownership of Wrexham achieved promotion back into the league very quickly, whereas the community owned club spent many years unable to achieve just that despite having a very good fan base. A typical community club no doubt has better success than a privately owned club that is badly run as fans at Scunthorpe or Southend are finding out. I suppose this debate is about whether TUFC as a community own club is a viable option if the need ever arose which it currently doesn’t. This is a big IF! May not be in our lifetime, could be next season. As a TUFC fan, I would support whichever option is best for the club. If it was between TUST and a bad owner, then TUST, if it was between TUST and Taylor Swift…….. Inspiration I will concede, but you leave Taylor Swift alone cause I’m sure I’m next! 🤨
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Post by rjdgull on Oct 1, 2023 16:37:27 GMT
Inspiration I will concede, but you leave Taylor Swift alone cause I’m sure I’m next! 🤨[/quote] Ok - she is all yours, just remember, her karma is in the form of the revenge song.
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Post by rjdgull on Oct 2, 2023 18:01:25 GMT
link - Shrimpers and Iron Trusts have released a joint statement as they struggle to save their clubs.
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