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Post by Jon on Apr 19, 2024 12:10:12 GMT
Nice to see TUST receiving appreciation in the House of Commons.
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Post by Rags on Apr 19, 2024 12:46:24 GMT
Look at GI’s recently released accounts Related Parties note 20. RSL’s “property funding partners” withdrew support leading to TUFC going into administration. £847k written off as an exceptional cost within GI’s accounts and implies the balance (£5m ish?) is down to the property funding partners. Thanks, Jon - that was exactly what I was looking for. Although, could it be possible that " Property funding partners of the company" is actually Toklon Limited, or is Toklon Limited the company that the sentence refers to ? Incidentally, I see George Edwards has resigned as a Director of both Gaming International and Toklon Limited...
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Post by sam on Apr 19, 2024 16:40:21 GMT
Wasn't ignoring you Rags, Jon beat me to the answer.
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Post by rjdgull on Apr 19, 2024 17:41:22 GMT
link -holding statement up on club website. Obviously the sales process is still proceeding but in the meantime the club still needs every penny it can find to continue operating. End of the month is a little over a week away, will staff be paid if new ownership is not in place by then?
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Post by Rags on Apr 19, 2024 17:57:36 GMT
link -holding statement up on club website. Obviously the sales process is still proceeding but in the meantime the club still needs every penny it can find to continue operating. End of the month is a little over a week away, will staff be paid if new ownership is not in place by then? They can cut some costs by removing the Head of Recruitment, given the shocking quality of players signed this season. Or did he leave with his brother? torquayunited.com/contact-us/
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Post by plainmoorpete on Apr 19, 2024 18:51:35 GMT
They can cut some costs by removing the Head of Recruitment, given the shocking quality of players signed this season. Or did he leave with his brother? He definitely did not leave when GJ went. Suggested in some quarters that his continued employment was a condition of GJ leaving without seeking compensation. Anyhow seeing that we are under a transfer embargo I would have thought the administrators would get rid of him as surplus to requirements.
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Post by Jon on Apr 20, 2024 11:58:30 GMT
Look at GI’s recently released accounts Related Parties note 20. RSL’s “property funding partners” withdrew support leading to TUFC going into administration. £847k written off as an exceptional cost within GI’s accounts and implies the balance (£5m ish?) is down to the property funding partners. Thanks, Jon - that was exactly what I was looking for. Although, could it be possible that " Property funding partners of the company" is actually Toklon Limited, or is Toklon Limited the company that the sentence refers to ? Incidentally, I see George Edwards has resigned as a Director of both Gaming International and Toklon Limited... No Pete. Funding partner is not Toklon. Toklon is the ultimate holding company of GI so publishes consolidated Group accounts, which were published on the same day as GI’s. The consolidated accounts have the same related party note and the same loss for the Group of £847k, so this is not intra-group juggling. Of course TUFC and RSL are related parties to Toklon and GI as Clarke Osborne has a controlling interest in all - even though GI no longer owns RSL and so Toklon is not TUFC’s ultimate holding company. There has been unconfirmed speculation that Taylor Wimpey is the property funding partner, based on the fact that they were GI’s partners in the Swindon scam scheme. That was spectacularly successful in generating profit from enabling development but spectacularly unsuccessful in actually enabling a stadium to be built and saw the death of a highly successful speedway team. Failure to anybody passsionate about building stadiums and passionate about motor sport but success to anybody passionate about making money. Edwards ceasing to be a director of all Osborne companies at the time the excrement hit the fan has been noted. Mooted as a fallout between the two by some, but others are more wary of drawing obvious conclusions.
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Post by Rags on Apr 22, 2024 16:10:55 GMT
I'm not sure if this should be in the Administration thread or in the "TUFC 23/24 Squad" thread... I was idly wondering about the retained list when I realised there wouldn't be any retained list because there isn't a manager. Then I realised that the administrator will happily let all expiring contracts expire. I seem to recall we had one or possibly two players on two-year contracts, but I can't find the post that named them. Therefore I presume that in a few days or weeks we will be a football club with very few, if any, players. It could be that the new owners already have a manager signed up who is currently recruiting players for next season but I very much doubt it. Happy to be corrected, but I fear that there will be little time to build a new squad for whoever takes over the manager's job this summer.
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Post by stewart on Apr 22, 2024 17:14:55 GMT
I'm not sure if this should be in the Administration thread or in the "TUFC 23/24 Squad" thread... I was idly wondering about the retained list when I realised there wouldn't be any retained list because there isn't a manager. Then I realised that the administrator will happily let all expiring contracts expire. I seem to recall we had one or possibly two players on two-year contracts, but I can't find the post that named them. Therefore I presume that in a few days or weeks we will be a football club with very few, if any, players. It could be that the new owners already have a manager signed up who is currently recruiting players for next season but I very much doubt it. Happy to be corrected, but I fear that there will be little time to build a new squad for whoever takes over the manager's job this summer. Paul Buckle inherited only four players when he was appointed in 2007 (can't recall exactly when this happened). I believe they were Mansell, Hockley, Woods and Kevin Hill.
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Post by stig123 on Apr 22, 2024 18:27:29 GMT
Hard to imagine there are more than 4 players worth keeping from the current squad.
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Post by plainmoorpete on Apr 22, 2024 18:55:32 GMT
I'm not sure if this should be in the Administration thread or in the "TUFC 23/24 Squad" thread... I was idly wondering about the retained list when I realised there wouldn't be any retained list because there isn't a manager. Then I realised that the administrator will happily let all expiring contracts expire. I seem to recall we had one or possibly two players on two-year contracts, but I can't find the post that named them. Therefore I presume that in a few days or weeks we will be a football club with very few, if any, players. It could be that the new owners already have a manager signed up who is currently recruiting players for next season but I very much doubt it. Happy to be corrected, but I fear that there will be little time to build a new squad for whoever takes over the manager's job this summer. Don't forget we are also under a transfer embargo for being in administration, so we couldn't offer new contracts to out of contract players. I doubt also that any new manager waiting in the wings could recruit players while we are still in administration.
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Post by chelstongull on Apr 22, 2024 19:52:46 GMT
Does anyone know the timescale when:
A) The new owner is announced B) New manager announced C) Player contracts sorted (new and old) D) Ticket prices sorted
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Post by Rags on Apr 22, 2024 20:11:31 GMT
Don't forget we are also under a transfer embargo for being in administration, so we couldn't offer new contracts to out of contract players. I doubt also that any new manager waiting in the wings could recruit players while we are still in administration. I had completely forgotten that. In fact, technically it is a registration embargo and according to the wording: "Embargo means a ban on a Club signing, re-signing, exercising an option to sign, extending a contract, converting a loan into a permanent transfer, converting a short term loan into a long term loan, loaning or seeking in any way to register a player whether on a contractual or non-contractual basis or as an amateur, trainee, academy, work experience or schoolboy associate other than within any of the Embargo Terms and Exemptions hereinafter contained."s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/files.pitchero.com/leagues/13676_1694181166.pdfThere is a smidgen of good news: " Prior to the start of the season an Embargoed Club will be permitted to sign up to 16 players. The complement of registrations must comprise entirely non-contract players save that it may include players under existing written contract, or players listed on the retained list at the end of the previous season where an option has been exercised prior to the implementation of the embargo." but given that they would have to be non-contract players, we had better get out of this administration mess asap!
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Post by Rags on Apr 22, 2024 20:16:06 GMT
Does anyone know the timescale when: A) The new owner is announced B) New manager announced C) Player contracts sorted (new and old) D) Ticket prices sorted Yes, its about the same length as a piece of string... A) There is no guarantee that the current preferred bidder will complete the purchase of the club. B) There is no guarantee that the preferred bidder, if they do complete the purchase of the club, has an agreement with a manager in place to take over the job and therefore we have no idea if... C) The new manager has any players lined up to sign for us or not. D) Ticket prices will presumably depend on there being sufficient new players to excite the fan base into buying season tickets. One would hope prices are frozen as a sign of goodwill from the new owner to the fans, but that depends on how much the new owner cares about the fans. So don't hold your breath for any of the above to happen.
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Post by chelstongull on Apr 23, 2024 5:39:14 GMT
Does anyone know the timescale when: A) The new owner is announced B) New manager announced C) Player contracts sorted (new and old) D) Ticket prices sorted Yes, its about the same length as a piece of string... A) There is no guarantee that the current preferred bidder will complete the purchase of the club. B) There is no guarantee that the preferred bidder, if they do complete the purchase of the club, has an agreement with a manager in place to take over the job and therefore we have no idea if... C) The new manager has any players lined up to sign for us or not. D) Ticket prices will presumably depend on there being sufficient new players to excite the fan base into buying season tickets. One would hope prices are frozen as a sign of goodwill from the new owner to the fans, but that depends on how much the new owner cares about the fans. So don't hold your breath for any of the above to happen. Bugger ☹️
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