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Post by merse on Mar 8, 2009 17:40:50 GMT
I noticed on driving past the Kennington Oval on Friday that the first of the new permanent floodlight columns is erected and had the head frame complete with lights installed and that work is carrying on apace at installing the three other necessary towers. The very oldest of the nation's international sporting venues, the Oval was utilised for the staging of the very first FA Cup Finals (dating back to 1872 and lasting up until 1892) and England matches in the formative years of the Football Association. It was the first British ground to host Test cricket and the second in the World ( to Melbourne) to do so and has also been the home of the famous old amateur club Corinthian -Casuals and even staged some of the first rugby internationals in Victorian times! The current pavilion dates back to 1898 and is simply a magnificent and stately structure whilst the opposite end of the ground features a futuristic stand beneath a curving and spectacular roof structure complete with hanging vines growing on the street side to soften the effect in what is already a gritty and traffic choked environment! The new lights will be situated on four huge telescopic towers that will only push the large "Scottish style" ( taller, rather than wider and inclined downwards) head frames to their maximum and operational height when required. At other times they will be retracted to the level below the sight lines of the new stand roof. The inclined head frames will also cut to a minimum the level of "light pollution" by aiming all beams directly downwards into the stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 21:12:17 GMT
...the Oval was utilised for the staging of the very first FA Cup Finals (dating back to 1872 and lasting up until 1892) and England matches in the formative years of the Football Association. ...and where was the first ever football international played? Saw my first day of test cricket at the Oval in 1965 against the South Africans - an interesting claim when I later whole-heartedly supported the sporting boycott. Makes me ask which other English cricket grounds now have permanent lights? Hove...Derby...Chelmsford? Any others?
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Post by merse on Mar 9, 2009 4:16:34 GMT
...the Oval was utilised for the staging of the very first FA Cup Finals (dating back to 1872 and lasting up until 1892) and England matches in the formative years of the Football Association. ... and where was the first ever football international played? Why that'll be the West of Scotland Cricket Ground in the Partick area of Glasgow and if you want to pay homage it is STILL in use today. As opposed to the rather arrogantly self styled "international" that preceded it whereby the Football Association arranged for England to play "Scotland" at The Oval and actually selected the Scottish as well as the English side (all the Sweaties came from London) and the "visitors" turned out in a selection of their patron Lord Roseberry's racing silks ~ salmon pink and primrose (some sported halves, some hoops; and some plain primrose with salmon collars!) The 1872 fixture saw Scotland represented by Queens Park FC resplendent in their second colours of navy blue shirts and white breeches complete with a single lion rampant (the QPFC crest) on their breasts. The England team, in plain white shirts; featured players from such eminent clubs of the time as Hertfordshire Rangers, Wanderers, 1st Surrey Rifles, Oxford University, Notts County and The Wednesday. The FA secretary Charles Allcock ran one of the lines as he was unfit to play! The goaless draw kicked off twenty minutes late to allow for fog to clear and the four thousand strong crowd who paid one shilling each to get in where aghast at having their bottle tops removed on entry and bombarded the local evening press with letters of protest for weeks afterwards. * What a "Groundtastic" piece of research that was eh?
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 9, 2009 15:03:44 GMT
* Yes, I must admit as I read Merse's piece I was sure i'd seen it somewhere before... Then it dawned on me, or rather it was staring me in the face!! And just to add to the 'Groundastic' bit of work done by the members on this forum, here is a picture of the aforementioned West of Scotland Cricket ground taken in 1995 (actually, lifted from Mr Smith's article, but he's a nice chap who owes me a favour so i'm sure he won't mind!) In fact I hope he feels he owes me a huge favour because below is a picture that Paul Smith supplied to a certain magazine 'for the slightly ground orientatedly deranged' to illustrate an article on the Kennington Oval and which depicts the 1887 final between Aston Villa & West Bromwich Albion at this ground. It was formerly a cabbage patch and then a market garden owned by the Duchy of Cornwall and around which a road was built circa 1790, hence the name 'The Oval', and finally opened as a cricket venue in 1846 for use by the Montpelier Club and has been the HQ for Surrey CCC since.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2009 23:29:33 GMT
There's a reference to the Scotland v England game in Charlie Connelly's latest book And Did Those Feet. Not a bad read in which he manages to wander off the trail of Mary, Queen of Scots escape from Loch Leven in order to visit the West of Scotland cricket ground and the admirable Scottish Football Museum.
And, on the subject of Scottish sporting venues, I had a chat with Romford Kev on Saturday about his forthcoming trip when he plans to take in a few Scottish League games. We were talking about East Stirlingshire. Are they playing at Stenhousemuir for good now?
I'd love a Torquay United pre-season tour to Scotland to match the jaunt to Ireland in 1994. The game against Cherry Orchard - on a park pitch in Ballyfermot (well off Dublin's tourist trail) - must rank as one of my strangest experiences watching the club. It was also odd to be on an Irish ferry and find all the drunks were from Torquay. Somebody must have left a flyer for the trip in the Royal Standard!
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Post by merse on Mar 10, 2009 4:09:28 GMT
Not a bad read in which he manages to wander off the trail of Mary, Queen of Scots escape from Loch Leven in order to visit the West of Scotland cricket ground and the admirable Scottish Football Museum. I hadn't realised that Mary Queen of Scots was a football fan. Mind you, they do say the old Prince of Wales used to "go up the 'ammers" of a Saturday and that Princess Michael of Kent was once spotted at Plainmoor..................although that might have been Bet Lynch on reflection The Scottish Football Museum is excellent - especially when they reveal that the "cup" on view at the Scottish FA Cup Final isn't the actual "Scottish Cup", it's a fake one because the original has worn too thin through all the "kissing" it has been on the end of (ever been on the end of a Glasgae kiss?) over the years and so it sits forever in that very museum. When a group of CGs visited the museum a few years ago we were afforded a tour of Hampden Park too and invited to "help ourselves" to any of the disgraceful detritus that the two users of the stadium the previous day had discarded - the guide was distraught at the shitehole a couple of American Football teams had left the dressing rooms in and kept going on about them having no respect for the auld place................and quite right he was too. There were thousands of pounds worth of boots laying around still in their boxes (I don't think these characters EVER broke any footwear in), shoulder pads, helmets, tops, breeches you name it; it was there for all to see. There were half eaten doughnuts thrown on the floor, Gatorade powder all over the place - even the dustbin they mixed up vast quantities of the stimulant in, complete with a huge wooden paddle. Whilst everyone else was content with a little "souvenir", one of our members, who shall remain nameless; had to go the whole hog and fill an over sized kit bag full of gear that must have totalled a good few quid in value whilst I contented myself with some of those doughnuts (not the ones on the floor mind you!) and the Gatorade paddle which I thought would make a nice "Wooden Spoon" trophy for a CGFC tournament one day. On the way out, guess who got nicked by security? It wasn't me guv, but our well laden friend who it now transpired was to be hauled before the police and we had visions of visiting Glasgow Sheriff's Court the following day..................I offered to appear as a character witness for him and was going to take the opportunity to ask for our bloody crossbar back at the same time but that's another story! Anyway, disaster was averted and we managed to imply that it was all the guides fault and in turn for letting the security guy have the entire contents of Ross's (oops!) bag of swag - probably to end up at some Glasgae car boot sale - we walked free from that castellated main entrance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 8:14:24 GMT
And one of the side attractions of the Scottish Football Museum is that you can sometimes spot the national team manager lunching in the cafe......I seem to remember that Berti Vogts was enjoying a jacket potato the day we visited.
I'll return to the subject of Mary, Queen of Scots and football on another day.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2009 20:35:32 GMT
I hadn't realised that Mary Queen of Scots was a football fan. Mary had a scrap just up the road from Hampden at the Battle of Langside in 1568 when she came off the worse in a family Derby against her brother James. It was all over in 45 minutes with little need for stoppage time. She then headed down to Dumfries where she persuaded the local team to change its name to Queen of the South as part of one of the game's earliest sponsorship deals. Then - rather like Gretna many years later - Mary switched to the English leagues but soon ran into trouble and was placed under house arrest along the road from Brunton Park. On 14 June 1568 Mary still managed to arrange a friendly between some of her own lads and Read's Halberdiers. There's no record of what happened to the match ball but it's possible it still exists: heritage.scotsman.com/willspringer/Worlds-oldest-football--fit.2758469.jp
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Post by merse on Mar 12, 2009 20:41:51 GMT
With the sad state of present day Scottish football, if she were alive today no doubt Mary would walk into the national team as Player Manager!
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 12, 2009 20:47:08 GMT
Do you not think she'd just end up losing her head though?
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