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Post by vinny on Mar 8, 2009 19:46:18 GMT
Just been looking through our fixtures/results, and i was staggered to notice that since xmas our home form is of a relegation threatened side. Its absolutley shocking.
Our last 6 games read as;-
Won 1 Drawn 3 Lost 2 Goals for 8 Goals against 9
6pts out of 18 !!!
Quite simply not good enough, and along with the performances, sub-standard at best. And thats against mid-table teams apart from Wrexham & Kiddy.
The only saving grace is our away form is not that bad. 4 wins and 2 defeats from the last 6 games. But we cant rely on this.
It needs sorting pronto, starting with Barrow this sat, or else we can wave bye-bye to the play-offs for this year.
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Post by Dave on Mar 8, 2009 19:55:25 GMT
We have not got the results we might have expected I agree, but we must not forget we are still in a very good position and currently have a play-off spot. it is in our own hands to hold on to that place and yes we do need to improve our home form.
What changes are needed then? just how do we get the best out of the very good players we do have, there lies the problem really because I'm still not sure Bucks knows the answers himself.
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Post by Fonda on Mar 8, 2009 20:07:09 GMT
Is it as simple as the onus being on us to attack at home? Away from Plainmoor, when teams are more inclined to pressure us, we're adept at getting results. But at home, when many sides are evidently satisfied to take home the point they start the game with, we're unable to break them down? I've seen it suggested recently that we are as direct this season as we were last. I personally don't think that's the case. I think we do offer more variation in our attacking play this year - but evidently not enough. When it's not working (such as yesterday) we need a different option. Throwing Robbo up-front (as has happened in two recent home games) gives the impression of a degree of desperation. And whilst he makes a good job of putting himself about (and was unfortunate in several penalty appeals yesterday), i think that should be a 'last resort' rather than a regularly used option.
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Post by vinny on Mar 8, 2009 20:13:58 GMT
Yes ok Dave we`re still in the play-off spot. But with our performances and homes results i do not feel confident.
If the season ended yesterday, and the play-off were played next week, i would say not a chance of winning. It hurts me to think that as well.
The main thing from what i saw yesterday, (which wasnt pretty) was a lack of confidence in alot of the players. Is that down to playing at home, whingers from within our own supporters, tatics or the manager ? - I dont know, but to me it was eviedent yesterday. But like i said in previous post it needs to be addressed now, by the manager, players and by us supporters (which 99% of us do anyhow).
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Post by Dave on Mar 8, 2009 20:25:28 GMT
vinny I would agree based on our current form we may struggle in a play-off semi final as we all know its so often the form team who go on to win the final and promotion.
I would still be more worried if we were not in a play-off spot and might then feel our season could end with nothing to show for it.But as I said we have a spot and its up to us to keep it and hopefully start to find the form we will need to win the final should we get there.
Its all there still to play for and we can only keep believing things will improve and not give up hoping that this is the season we get back to where we know we really belong.
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Post by vinny on Mar 8, 2009 20:35:44 GMT
Well heres supporting, hoping and praying that it all turns out great at wembley.
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Post by pikeygull on Mar 8, 2009 21:36:29 GMT
We are only 6pts worse of at the same stage as last season. So why does this year have so many doubters??
Did we lose our belief in the 4 defeats out of 5 at the start. The great unbeaten run would have most fans on top of the world but now it feels almost that it didn't happen. We all know Burton are gone and it is all about picking up in April. Last year we wrapped up he Play Offs with great wins against Oxford & Stevenage and then coasted for 5 games, we all know how that cost us.
Now I wouldn't mind not securing a Play Off spot until 2 games to go (couldn't face a last day battle) keep the players competitive. The season will come down to a 8 games season and that when we strike.
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Post by petef on Mar 8, 2009 22:17:33 GMT
I must say I haven't been conviced for quite a while now that we are capable of being the second promoted team come May and our home record is pretty damning of the fact. What is obvious is that we have once again at this crucial stage become inconsistent and can only hope that we find a "second wind" late on and that the likes of Stevenage Cambridge and Histon etc lose theirs. You cant always blame players and managers sometimes the oposition DO turn up as Rushden did and make a game of it. They were physical, well organised at the back and we couldnt handle it simple as and the game could have gone either way come the end. The loss of Sills is a big worry and I hope his injury is not to serious as we look to be even less of a threat with him missing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 23:33:26 GMT
We are only 6pts worse of at the same stage as last season. So why does this year have so many doubters?? Oh dear, I feel a chart coming on..... For what it's worth, the graph shows last season's and this season's points accumulation to date (34 games). You can see last year's wonderful consistency which started to tail off after defeats in games 32-34 against Grays, Aldershot and Halifax. This season it's pretty much as you'd expect. You can see the poor start followed by the recovery which - by the York and Lewes games in November - had narrowed the deficit on last season to five points. This position slipped with the games against Woking, Cambridge and Eastbourne (9 Dec), since when we've kept pretty close to what is required of a team in our current position. You can see the importance of the last four results - DWWD - in the process. It's all a bit obvious but I'm happy to keep this graph going if it helps. We're currently on track for 81 points which is the total achieved by 5th place (Burton) last season. 78 was enough for Exeter in 2006/07, the first year Conference teams played 46 games. City got 83 points last year, Torquay 86.
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Post by rjdgull on Mar 9, 2009 8:02:44 GMT
Good graph Barts That's the third prediction I've seen for 81 points As we are six points behind last year, I like to think that we will have a slightly better run than last year. Don't think that our points tally reflects our home performances! We completely outplayed Kidderminster and robbed against Forest Green. I've just seen the video for Benyon's off side - not only was he on the inside shoulder the nearest defender but another defender was another metre further down the pitch - even when he received the ball there was no clear daylight between the last defender!!! No wonder we play hoof ball so much!
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 9, 2009 8:18:35 GMT
As I keep saying, and I do get knocked back for it, we haven't had the rub of the green for a number of games and so to be in our position, considering our poor start to the season, isn't anywhere as near as doom-laden as some would think. It's easy to say we make our own luck but to be honest there have been at least three games where if we had, hypothetically, had the game re-analysed after by a referee and the correct decisions given we would have that 6 points. I realise people will say that is only 'what-ifs' and we don't have those points but what it shows is we are well on course for the play-offs and our performances in this league are good enough to get us there. And then the lottery begins. Let's enjoy it...
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Post by Fonda on Mar 9, 2009 13:21:42 GMT
Is it really likely that we're the only team to have suffered that kind of misfortune though? I'm sure most teams, if they analysed every decision in their games, would make a case for suggesting they'd been unlucky, and should have more points than they have. We were unfortunate against Rushden. Robbo was felled 2 or 3 times in the area, and Benyon wasn't even close to being offside. But history would suggest these things even out over the course of a season.
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Post by Dave on Mar 9, 2009 17:30:08 GMT
I do find it a bit sad that so many fans seem to have the downers at the moment and I have been trying to try and see if I could find a reason, yes I know our home form has not been as good as we would have liked it to be. I know there has been games that we really should have won, but ended up only getting a draw, or even a defeat.
Leigh feels we have not had the rub of the green of late, that maybe true but as Fonda said over the whole season these things always equal up and anyway I'm a firm believer that you have to make your own luck in anything you do.
I found myself making my day much longer today as I spend time talking with a season ticket holder in Bridgwater at lunchtime, he does not live there but he works for a parcel company and his round is in Bridgwater. He lives in Tiverton and sits in the family stand. but you would think we really were the worst team in the BSP and doomed forever to listen to him.
When he talks about a game he always seems to want to included what those who sit with him think as well, its like by doing so he wants to show me his views are shared by so many others. He said that we blew any chance of over taking Burton and going up as champions on Saturday by only getting a draw, but even if we had won, just what chance would we really have of doing that anyway.
The only way we could is for Burton to have a very bad run, but Burton winning the title is in their own hands and we could win all the games left to play and if Burton matched our results, they will still be going up as champions.
I tried to make him see,that we need to stop concerning ourselves about trying to catch Burton, yes it would be great if we could, but we need to concentrate on what is in our own hands and that is keeping our play-off spot. We have one now and only we can throw it away, but as long as we grind out results and hopefully find the form we did in our record run before Christmas, then getting a semi final play-off game will be ours.
Yes we would have to win that game and then try and win the final, that game could end in tears of joy, but also tears of sorrow.We do not know how its all going to end really, but surely its far better to be positive than negative? being negative will get no one anywhere and there is a song that maybe we should be all singing.
No not the c word song, thats going to be history soon, the one I was thinking about was Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life We should because we need to look at the whole picture, see all the good and hard work people at the club are doing, to try and make mine and yours dreams come true.
We have had our last two seasons end in tears and had salt rubbed in our wounds, maybe thats the problem really, fans are so afraid its going to end in tears this season again.
It could but then again you may end up dancing naked in the streets as we celebrate going back to the football league. I have no crystal ball, but what I have is the ability to keep believing and keeping the faith that TUFC will go up one day. Should it be the case that we failed this season, then I will be sad for a while, but I know I will still have a club to support and the same people I trust to take the club forward will still be there next season, to try again. My mother always said if you don't succeed try and try again, that is what the club will always do and we need to help them so they can keep trying for the good of our club and to fulfill everyones dreams.
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Post by aussie on Mar 9, 2009 18:31:53 GMT
My mother always said" if at first you don`t succeed then buy a Budgie with no beak!" ;D
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Post by andygulls on Mar 9, 2009 22:27:22 GMT
This thread started off on the topic of home form. It is worth looking at the comparisons from this year to last With 5 games to go and 3 of those against playoff and championship competing teams (Kettering, Crawley and Burton) things may not get better! Thus clearly there is good reason for the view that performances are not as good as last year, a view held by perhaps many judging by the attendance figures. It does not matter a jot how close we have come in some performances, we have equally been very poor in others where we have won or escaped with a point. What is clear is that we will need to improve our home form if we are to get into the playoffs. Given that form - Do we want to be at home in the second leg?
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