Jon
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Post by Jon on Mar 16, 2009 23:47:55 GMT
Torquay United is fast approaching the centenary of the club’s biggest ever win – but nobody is quite sure of the exact date and there is even a slight doubt over the score. My efforts to track down the missing details have so far drawn a blank.
In the 1920s, a press report stated that Torquay’s biggest win had been when Torquay Town defeated Torquay Tramways 23-0 in 1912. Torquay Town did not play Torquay Tramways in 1912, but Torquay United did beat Tramways very heavily twice in the 1908/09 season on their way to winning the Torquay & District League – with the 23-0 scoreline very probably being correct.
On 2 January 1909, United won the home match with Tramways at Barton Road 12-1. On 19 February 1909, the T&DL table shows United’s record as P11 W8 D2 L1 F58 A12. The final league table was to show P14 W11 D2 L1 F86 A14. Unfortunately, whoever reported United’s matches in the Torquay Times and Torquay Directory seems to have gone AWOL towards the end of the season. The only other league game reported is a 2-1 win over Bovey St Johns on 27 March, meaning that the two remaining games away to Ashburton and to Torquay Tramways must have racked up a goal tally of 26-1. A 3-1 win at Ashburton sounds very possible, so the 23-0 over Tramways may very well be correct. It would be nice to prove it though.
The most likely dates are March 20, April 3, 9, 10, 12 or 17 1909. It’s a very long shot, but any information on the missing match would be very gratefully received.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Mar 17, 2009 18:47:29 GMT
I'm sure you will find it in the end Jon and I wonder why it has not been recorded properly, a case for Jon and secret agent Baron I feel, which one of you smokes the pipe ;D wasn't chelstongull unable to remember?
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Post by stuartB on Mar 17, 2009 23:00:21 GMT
I'm sure you will find it in the end Jon and I wonder why it has not been recorded properly, a case for Jon and secret agent Baron I feel, which one of you smokes the pipe ;D wasn't chelstongull unable to remember? even if Chelstongull was at the game, his memory isn't so good these days. just call hime Al Zeimer 50 soon Phil!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 21:30:44 GMT
Good to see Jon's plea for information on the Herald Express site tonight.
I guess it's one of those cases where the club was mentioned in the local press only because of the efforts of somebody associated with it. I doubt there was a Dave Thomas employed to cover the club's matches. When did this start to happen? Professional football and evening papers arrived in Torquay at almost the same time so perhaps coverage started to change around about then.
It's interesting to speculate on the whole nature of press coverage. How soon did the Western Morning News start covering our games amongst all that Rugby Union and point-to-point racing? I guess the nationals carried FL results but did they do many Div 3 (S) reports before the war? It must have made following the affairs of the club very different to now.
Radio started in the 1920s with regional programming increasing in the 1930s but you get the feeling it didn't touch too much on subjects such as Torquay United. I suppose it's quite possible the club received very little "air time" until the arrival of Westward Sports Desk in the 1960s.
Another thought is the nature of the interest shown by spectators in that first season in the Football League. We've touched on this before but they probably keenly expressed opinions on the ability of players - "that Wellock's bloody useless" and most likely red-faced Albert Bartlett, the old soak of a drayman from the brewery, was on hand to bellow "sort it out, Mackrill, you baaas...."
Did they talk tactics? - "get the ball out to the wings, United!" - and what of formations? No 4-1-4-1 talk in those days but formations were changing in the wake of changes to the offside law.
Maybe they only showed interest on match days -or did they talk football throughout the week like we do? Perhaps the "United boys" eagerly discussed the forthcoming visit of Southend United during the tea break at the marble works.
And, lastly, what about off-the-field matters? I wonder how much interest our predecessors showed in the actions of the board. I bet they thought the board was only in it for their own ends - "it's a business to them, you know!" And what of the rumour mill? No doubt there were plenty of stories about old Alf having his hands in the till and on the office girl.
Who was on the board anyway? I confess I know little of the boardroom history of the club prior to the 1960s.
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