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Post by Jon on Feb 8, 2009 14:03:27 GMT
a great day out...ruined by ninety minutes of football How many times have we all said that following TUFC? I particularly think of Rushden in the Ian Atkins season and I am sure James Sharp thought much the same as he stood watching Donkey Broughton head home the winner from about the same distance away as we were - more a case of a nice career ruined by five seconds of football in his case. I'm going to try to stick up a piece from 1912 that tells a similar story - I think Chelstongull told me this was his first away trip. The more you read about what seems ancient history, the more you see how little things have really changed. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. It's probably just that you get more cynical as you get older and things seem so much worse than they used to be, even if they are not.
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Post by Dave on Feb 8, 2009 15:59:47 GMT
Hi Jon I have redone your cuttings and made them a bit larger so they can be read better. it sure was a great read and like you said, nothing really changes and footballs fans always feel the pain of defeat, no matter what time of the century they lived in. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2009 21:16:31 GMT
After talking to Jon at Cully the other night, I've had another read of his press cutting from 1912. There's some great stuff there if you read it carefully. Firstly, the spelling of boys as "Bhoys" in the way favoured by Celtic supporters. Indeed, the whole excursion sounds like one of the "Brake Clubs" so closely associated with the Glasgow clubs in the early days of professional football. Secondly, there's a reference to the "Three Towns" as Plymouth, Stonehouse and Devonport were once known. The whole place didn't officially become Plymouth until 1914. Thirdly, we read about Stanley Spooner presenting the trophy. The Spooner family were central to the forming of Argyle back in the 1880s and I'm pretty certain they were the people behind the old Spooner's department store in the city (which was actually owned by Debenhams from the 1920s onwards). Fourthly, anyone thinking "soccer" is a modern word, coined by Americans, think again for it is there in the article - just as the centenary history talks of the Torquay Socker Club of 1898. By 1912, Argyle were an established professional club playing in the Southern League in which they finished 2nd behind QPR. This would have been their reserve team contesting the Devon Senior Cup with Torquay Town. The game would have been given extra edge through Torquay Town being on the brink of winning the Plymouth and District League that season. And, of course, Torquay Town were the cup holders having won the trophy in 1911. Here's a picture of that team from one of Mike Holgate's books: The Devon Senior Cup dates back to 1889-90 when Tavistock - still going strong - were the first winners. Many early winners were military teams although, by the early 1900s, the name of Plymouth Argyle starts to appear. Green Waves also won the competition several times. They were a prominent club from the Plymouth area which competed against Torquay Town in league games and later against Torquay United in the FA Cup. They must have been a force in their day and once played Gainsborough Trinity - then of the Football League Division Two - in the FA Cup. I've a sneaky feeling Green Waves were in the old Plymouth & District League until fairly recently. The list below of Devon Senior Cup winners comes from an old book published by a chap from the North East called Bob Barton. You’ll see we also won it in 1922, just after we turned pro, when we defeated Dartmouth, Chudleigh, Torrington, Teign Village and Oreston Rovers without conceding a goal. Thereafter our first team played in the forerunner of the Devon Professional Bowl leaving Torquay United Reserves to win the Senior Cup in 1947 with Torquay United A being successful in 1960 and 1964. These days the Devon Senior Cup – surely the county’s oldest trophy - is third in the pecking order behind the St Lukes Bowl and Devon Premier Cup (but ahead of the Devon Intermediate Cup). The holders are Willand Rovers Reserves and this season’s final will be between Buckland Athletic Reserves and Lifton.
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Post by Jon on Mar 3, 2009 0:28:41 GMT
The reason I posted this one originally was to show how “the more that things change the more they stay the same”. A great day out, only tarnished by 90 minutes of football is as true today as it was nearly 100 years ago. Looking through the match report and other football stories on that day’s sports page really rams home that “plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose”.
STROPPY GOALKEEPERS The key factor in our Cup final defeat was that our goalkeeper Paltridge refused to play as his younger brother had not been selected. The committee moved our star centre-half Gerry Deane into goal and, funnily enough, brought Paltridge junior into the half-back line. Patridge senior never played for the club again. I haven’t been able to access the internet message boards of the day, but I wonder if they contained people bleating that the committee should have pandered to the stroppy goalie to keep him happy and that their poor man-management skills had cost us the Cup and we would never win the League without our star keeper.
RESPECT You always hear that in the good old days, players conducted themselves with decorum towards opponents and officials. Our left back Jimmy Cudlipp was about to start a suspension for punching an opponent and abusing a referee.
BAD LANGUAGE Bad language from a player comes as a surprise, what about the fans? According to the report, the result caused “so much picturesque language in Union Street on Saturday night”. It does not mention if this included singing of “The referee is a c***” or what the stewards should do about it.
BAD REFEREES It must have been the Forest Green ref’s great great granddad officiating at Home Park. I always thought that in the good old days the ref’s decisions were never questioned, but the reporter doesn’t hide from telling it as he saw it – “one or two queer rulings”, “No-one knew the reason except the referee”. There’s no mention of the linesmen being useless – but this may very well be just an omission on the reporter’s part.
SUBCONSCIOUS INFLUENCE We’ve had this debate recently, but one of the chief gripes about the ref is that “Sutcliffe had only to raise his hand and the whistle blew, and not once did he appeal in vain. The official seemed almost a puppet in his hands”. Sutcliffe, Argyle’s keeper, was a living legend who had played for England at both soccer and at Rugby Union. It appears that the ref was subconsciously intimidated by the great man’s reputation.
LAME EXCUSES I thought that coming up with weak excuses for under-achievement was a recent phenomenon. Despite the obvious reasons for defeat being our missing goalkeeper, playing much of the game with ten men through injury and a dreadful referee, the reporter adds a couple more classics. We were “playing on a strange ground and with a new and tricky ball”.
SARCASM Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and surely not something that was resorted to in the good old days. “They tell me that Babbacombe escaped defeat on Saturday. I also hear that they had no match on. Perhaps that accounts for it”. Ha ha ha. Very witty.
LATE FIXTURE CHANGES We are informed that “the great Derby match between Torquay Town and Babbacombe will take place at Plainmoor on either Tuesday or Wednesday”. Why the hell hadn’t they made their mind up yet? Don’t tell me that Setanta hadn’t decided whether they wanted to televise it or not. How on earth would the fans be able to find out when the match was going to take place if no decision had been made by the time the weekly local paper was printed? No text alerts, no website, no message boards, no teletext, no local radio, no TV, no daily local paper. I wonder if you could sign up for carrier pigeon alerts via Townworld?
POOR ADMINISTRATION "At the East Devon Council meeting, it was reported that Torquay Town and Newton Town had not paid their subscriptions. They were given seven and fourteen days respectively to forward the amounts. Otherwise the clubs and officials would be suspended”. I thought it was only under Roberts that we didn’t pay the bills.
TEAMS FAILING TO TRAVEL Dropping into the rugby coverage, I note that “A match with Pill Harriers is on the Athletic’s fixture card for Saturday, but at the time of going to press, there is a glorious uncertainty as to whether it will be possible due to the restricted railway arrangements, for the Welsh players to get through to Torquay”. Cue a grumpy old outburst from Merse – outraged at their inability to organise an alternative form of transport.
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Post by rjdgull on Mar 3, 2009 6:53:57 GMT
What an absolutely great post Jon
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