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Post by bitemebryn on Aug 23, 2008 18:33:47 GMT
Are we not all jumping the gun a bit?? 2. Rather than blame Buckle, how about some harsh words for Thompson. Even if PB could have picked a side from the best players ever to wear a Gulls shirt they would find it difficult to play with 10 men. Losing Thompson so early in the game CHANGED everything. We have to forget about this game if he goes with a similar team on Monday see how they play then, providing they all manage to stay on the pitch. Well said. Thompson should be shouldering alot of the blame for today. If it was a definite sending off that is. |
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Post by tufc01 on Aug 23, 2008 18:45:17 GMT
tufc01, I know you are a fan who just like me tries to keep the faith and stay positive, I do try hard on here to get the message out that we just do not need to start going over the top just yet. His team selection today was completely wrong, the changes that were needed and asked for by fans, was to move Hargreaves back into midfield, that was done. To restore our CB's into their positions, as that was the main area that needed attention. Try as I might I can't defend Buckle picking this team today, he has a game on Monday to put this right. Dave, i know what you are saying and i agree that some of the changes beggar belief, but my point is that by getting sent off Thompson ruined any hope we had of seeing the how this particular formation/team would have played as they were chasing the game for most of it. It will be very interesting to see his team on Monday. I take it Thompson is suspended?? Probably for 3 games, so that ends Mansells short dalliance in midfield. Unless Stevens slots in at right back??? |
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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Aug 23, 2008 18:46:29 GMT
At the end of the day, if players are playing poorly then that says 1 of two things.
Buckle has bought the wrong players or he is failing to play a system that allows the players to play well.
I think we need to stick with Buckle to the end of the season as this is the first season where he has been able to put a squad together that is fully his.
However, and I know we are talking way down the line, if we dont, at least challenge in the play-offs come the end of the season then surely we have to say that is it.
Right at the moment sacking the manager would only, as Dave R said, put the club in an even worse position and clubs that sack managers at this point usually see their seasons decent into farce.
I just think that considering the backing he has had and the resources that are at his disposal we should be stronger than this.
I say stick with him and get behind him for the rest of the season and we will see where we are then. If things look bleak at the end of the season though, I think I will have lost patience in him.
As many people have said it is very early in the season but we cant lie, things look rather bleak.
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Post by Dave on Aug 23, 2008 18:49:27 GMT
Are we not all jumping the gun a bit?? 2. Rather than blame Buckle, how about some harsh words for Thompson. Even if PB could have picked a side from the best players ever to wear a Gulls shirt they would find it difficult to play with 10 men. Losing Thompson so early in the game CHANGED everything. We have to forget about this game if he goes with a similar team on Monday see how they play then, providing they all manage to stay on the pitch. Well said. Thompson should be shouldering alot of the blame for today. If it was a definite sending off that is. No excuse for his tackle by all accounts, but just maybe and it is also no excuse, he was frustrated having to play a position, that he is not played before. I thought on the radio I heard that both players went in with two feet, we all know these types of tackles will result in a red card, but does anyone know if he in known to do those type of tackles and If he has been sent of before. I only ask as like I said I do not think all is Rosy in the dressing room. |
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Post by Dave on Aug 23, 2008 19:01:46 GMT
tufcwewillbeback, I don't think I would agree with sticking with Buckle all season, a lot would depend on what position we were in, at that time. If we were just past Xmas and very near the bottom of the league, then I could not really see what choice the club would have, as it would not want to slip even further down, into the league below.
That is a long way off and like you I believe it is best to stick with the manager, its his team, he picked those players, he must now find a way to get the very best out of them. We all believe the players are good enough, Buckle still has the chance to show he is.
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Post by adamprowse on Aug 23, 2008 19:02:07 GMT
Quick review of team performance, main incidents, and ratings.
Team Performance
First Half: Very poor, no cohesion, looked like 11 (10) players who had never met. There was no plan (even before Thompson got sent off) defending weak. That said Hargreaves and Mansell in the middle did strengthen us, and we conceded less territory, less easily than we did against Ebbsfleet (from what i saw on the TV)
Second half: Bringing Sills on gave us a game plan, something to work for, and a style of play. We generally dominated the second half, and given 11 players, i think we would have created many more chances, and scored 2-3. Dsane played extremely well in the second half - you could see why he and Sills were so successful at Aldershot.
Key Incidents
Crawley 1 Torquay 0
Ball over from the left hand side, striker unmarked 10 yards out, good finish. Shocking defending, Brough and Thompson seemed to blame the other - IMO a consequence of playing too many players out of position. Therefore Buckles fault.
Thompson red card.
He dived in two feet off the ground, fully deserved his red card.
Crawley 2 Torquay 0
Again a cross to our right back area in clearing the ball Brough (or Mansell, i couldn't see witch) caught the striker, not much in it, could easily not have been given. Well taken, Poke no chance.
Crawley 2 Torquay 1
Good ball to Sills, he drew the foul, free kick. Quality free kick from Hodges, Sill flick on, Dsane lifts it over Rayner. A quality goal all round.
Crawley 2 Torquay 1
Good corner, which Hargreaves meets and puts just over from c6 yards, had he buried it (as he probably should) I am convinced we would have won. Crawley looked shacky and could not deal with Sills, we were on top, even though a player down.
Crawley 3 Torquay 1
Grrr. Long ball, Brough comes across, clearly handles the ball. Definite penalty.
Ratings
Poke 7 no chance with the three goals, generally commanding, Crawley had so few shots on gaol he only had to claim crosses, which he did well, and save one vicious swerving shot, which he did excellently.
Thompson. 0. Cost us the game, probably at fault for their goal. Silly tackle to get sent off.
Brough 3 Weak, ineffective, conceded at least one penalty. Why did Robinson not play?
Hodges 7 - played well i though, looked good on the ball after a shaky start.
Nicholson 6 Distribution poor, otherwise a reasonable game, not severely tested defensively
Carlisle 6 dound job as makeshift right back. Nothing spectacular
Hargreaves 6 - Not quite at the races, did tighten up our midfield though
Mansell 5 anonymous
Caroyal 4 Went missing for large parts of the game, was presumably ordered to tuck in, but seemed lost in the middle, gave the ball away frequently.
Green 4 never in the game first half, had very poor service though, so will not judge to harshly
Dsane 7 First half poor, second excellent when feeding off Sills, superb goal, worked hard.
Subs
Sills 9 - Couldn't have done much more with what he was given. Had a massive effect on the whole team.
Benyon 6 Fair, not really on long enough to impact the game. Did get into some useful positions, but lacked support.
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Post by Dave on Aug 23, 2008 19:08:12 GMT
Many thanks for your report Adam, at least it seems Sills, Desane, Poke and Hodges, came out with some credit.
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Post by Dave on Aug 23, 2008 19:26:23 GMT
Can someone phone the pub and tell Merse to make it his last drink ;D
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Post by crooky on Aug 23, 2008 20:03:18 GMT
I was at the game. Lets not be too hasty into knocking the team line up. It really is hard to gage how the match might have turned out when you are down to 10 men after only 10 mins. Yes, you could certainly question the back four selection, and their lack of understanding definitely was a factor to us conceding the first goal. Otherwise I thought they done OK. The pleasing thing today was the way we responded to going one and being a man short. We rolled up the sleeves and battled and at no point did you feel that there wasn't a chance that might get back into the match. Personally I thought Carayol had a decent match, always giving the full back problems. We even manged to string a few passes together at one stage, although we resorted back to usual long ball tactics once Sills was introduced. Interesting cameo performance by Steve Adams. At last a player who looks comfortable on the ball.
There was a rumour floating around, apparently from a reliable source??? Prior to the todays game Buckle had 3 matches to save his job.
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Post by Dave on Aug 23, 2008 20:08:09 GMT
Thanks crooky, good to hear that there was some effort put in by the players, I think some feel that is what has been lacking in our games.
The only worry for me was the radio described Crawley as a very poor side, did you see them that way?
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Post by crooky on Aug 23, 2008 20:11:17 GMT
Another interesting stat from todays game. Away attendance given as 257. Last season was close to 600. People on holiday, the credit crunch or Buckleitus?
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Post by Dave on Aug 23, 2008 20:14:24 GMT
Another interesting stat from todays game. Away attendance given as 257. Last season was close to 600. People on holiday, the credit crunch or Buckleitus? I would say partly the credit crunch, but more to do with our start to the season, will view the attendances at both home games next week with real interest. |
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Post by crooky on Aug 23, 2008 20:17:08 GMT
Yes Dave I did see them as a poor side. Despite the fact we were down to 10 men they never really got at us at all. They were leading 2-0 at half time and in truth that is all they created. They got the penalty at just the right time for them because at that stage I was convinced that we would score again.
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Post by crooky on Aug 23, 2008 20:22:50 GMT
Can someone phone the pub and tell Merse to make it his last drink ;D Don't think you have much chance of seeing anything from Merse tonight. It would appear he was rather unwell earlier..he bought us all a drink in the pub! ;D |
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Post by witneygull on Aug 23, 2008 20:31:14 GMT
They were poor, we were awful. Thompson getting sent off didnt help, but there is no way we would have won with 11, 12 or 13 on the pitch.
The reason we resort to the long ball to Sills (which worked for 10 minutes after half time) is that is the only tactic that comes close to being effective, the midfield when they try and get it down and play the ball string one pass together (if they are lucky) before losing possession. We have a huge midfield full of dross, if this is the best the management can come up with, they ought to go and look for another job.
We may be only a few games in, but we are going to be lower mid-table come May at this rate, you can forget the play-offs, and cup runs....
It was utterly crap, I can't think of anything positive to say about todays "effort".
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