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Post by andygulls on Sept 4, 2008 20:51:43 GMT
It all starts tonight. I believe that OUR season will start today. Some might think its just blind passion, but you can not deny that we have played reasonably well over the last 2 games and most certainly deserved 6pts from those 2 games. It maybe needs a trigger action, some piece of luck?? Who cares. There has been some debate on here about which type of football we have been playing or should be playing but quite frankly i would settle for the worst game in living memory and a goal in the 98th minute that was not deserved and shouldn't even have been allowed. Actually now i sound desperate. But all i care about tonight is 3pts. I can honestly see us winning the game and am going for 2-0. COME ON YOU YELLOWS. You only deserve to win if you can put the ball into the back of the net. We cannot and do not deserve to get anything out of a game when we are so inept at creating chances |
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Post by Dave on Sept 4, 2008 20:53:05 GMT
Sorry Merse but we were played of the park in the second half by a team who played football.
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Post by chesneygull on Sept 4, 2008 20:54:51 GMT
1st half - pretty good. Thought we deserved to be in front on possession but just didn't create any chances.
2nd hald - apart from the last 10 mins when Benyon and Caryol came on it was dire.
We are not creating enough up front. Did we actually make the keeper pull off any saves? One or two perhaps. Sills looked a shadow of his former self. I'm afraid it's time for him to be dropped and go for out and out pace with Green and Dsane. That will mean that we have to play in a different way. It's certainly not working at the moment.
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Post by Dave on Sept 4, 2008 20:56:37 GMT
Watching the changes made up front tonight, took me back to the days of Roy Mac. I always called him the pick and mix man, so desperate to get a result, would keep changing the strikers during a game. Sad times and sad for Buckle, but just where do we go from here.
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Post by andygulls on Sept 4, 2008 21:00:17 GMT
Watching the changes made up front tonight, took me back to the days of Roy Mac. I always called him the pick and mix man, so desperate to get a result, would keep changing the strikers during a game. Sad times and sad for Buckle, but just where do we go from here. But there was no change in formation. No attempt to go and get a point out of the game. Why not move to a 4-3-3 or even a 3-4-3 when chasing to get a result at the end. The only time we started to cross the ball for a forward Sills had already left the ptich. |
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Post by Dave on Sept 4, 2008 21:05:41 GMT
I fully agree Andy, I was more trying to make the point that changes were made in desperation,just to try and get a goal, as was always the case with Roy Mac. Desane and Green now need to start the next game.
We need some pace up front, they have it, but they will need the service, not long high balls, that defenders will deal with all day.
Seems mate I should have really seen the signs that you saw, re our lack of goals.
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Post by merse on Sept 4, 2008 21:07:57 GMT
Dreadful! We NEVER looked like scoring .... time for Buckle to go I'm afraid.  So is that down to Paul Buckle or Tim Sills? For the second away game running Sills has actively avoided physically taking on a big physical and aggressive defender..............Quinn at Crawley and now Creighton tonight. No running across the near post to get the first header in and opting to hang loose in the comfort zone at the far post and beyond. The goal conceded was almost impossible to defend, but if that had been Sills in the Kiddie attack instead of Barnes Homer; he wouldn't have been in that position. The manager, any manager; can bang on about such things until the cows come home................but if the player concerned doesn't grasp the nettle he can only then be looking to bring in a suitable striker on loan. I believe he was doing that last night, but to be honest I would be surprised if that particular player has quite got the quality, but you never know he might step up to the plate and do the business; and he might be a better bet than someone who is out of a Football League team at the moment. The only difference I would say there was between the sides was that Kiddie showed a little bit more confidence around goal probably borne out of their recent results and the obvious QUALITY of Penn and Brittain as good a pair of midfielders as one could hope to see at this level. A one eyed blind man could see the effort and desire to achieve tonight whilst he could also see the lack of confidence apparent in any team that has only one win so far. He could also see that they are giving it their all, so for anyone to advocate changing manager at this stage is for them to fail to appreciate just what that could do for the general spirit and moral of the squad. Far better to let him get on with working with the players and continuing to search for alternatives I'd say. |
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Post by merse on Sept 4, 2008 21:15:19 GMT
Sorry Merse but we were played of the park in the second half by a team who played football. So have you LISTENED to the interview with Penn and Brittain after the match? That's not their opinion! |
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Post by Dave on Sept 4, 2008 21:18:16 GMT
Sorry Merse but we were played of the park in the second half by a team who played football. So have you LISTENED to the interview with Penn and Brittain after the match? That's not their opinion! I watched the game, from the high vantage point of the camera and had a much better view than those two players. Therefore I can say without fear, they out played us, by playing football in the second half. |
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Post by bhamgull on Sept 4, 2008 21:21:41 GMT
For the first forty minutes i was satisfied, ok we didnt look like scoring but we controlled the game well. The Torquay team, of the first half of last season, were always very quick out of the blocks, then controlled for the rest of the first half and would re-explode in the second. So up until the moment they scored i wasnt too worried. And even when they did I convinced myself that we would be able to step it up in the second and take something from the game, but the opposite occured and we were shocking. Maybe, just maybe, had we have scored first it all could have a different result, but we didnt.
Time must be running out for Buckle, if he comes through this and reinstates confidence back into the side, we have ourselves a good manager, but the longer this run goes on the harder its going to get. I hope he can do it.
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Post by jerry on Sept 4, 2008 21:25:22 GMT
What is it with this myth of Dsane having pace? He quite blatantly doesn't, the only thing worse than his pace is his control!!
As for Green, well did he even touch the ball?
The only time we had any threat was after Benyon came on, he HAS to start on Sunday!!
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Post by merse on Sept 4, 2008 21:27:48 GMT
Yes well, I happened to be sat very similarly to you Dave and I thought the confidence Kiddie gained from that late goal just before half time gave them the momentum to push on a bit. I couldn't see any "hoof ball" , though I bet you did, and I bet you found the catering prices more to your liking! 
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Post by Swanny on Sept 4, 2008 21:32:08 GMT
Again it was a reasonable performance but we rarely looked like scoring. Benyon looked more likely in 10 minutes than Sills and Dsane had in the previous 80. Time for Benyon to start I'd say, who cares too much about his lack of upper body weight, at least he has pace and will test the keeper unlike the other forwards. Quite frankly Sills, Dsane and Green just never look like scoring. You can perhaps forgive Green a bit as he has not had many run-outs.
Surely Buckle is largely to blame. Like last season we are so incredibly predictable. A decent manager would change and adapt tactics and formations if things are not working on the pitch. And as for all the midfielders Buckle signed and don't even make the bench, what a waste ! How long can we go on like this ?
As a reminder it was quite similiar in our relegation season. We played reasonably in most games but just could not score to save our lives.
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Post by andygulls on Sept 4, 2008 21:36:58 GMT
Yes well, I happened to be sat very similarly to you and I thought the confidence Kiddie gained from that late goal just before half time gave them the confidence to push on a bit. I couldn't see any "hoof ball" Dave, though I bet you did, and I bet you found the catering prices more to your liking! From my vantage spot, which occasionally was from a slightly higher angle than those of you managing to sit throughout the game ( I stand to hurl abuse at the TV in the hope that the vibration and noise are sufficient to reverse the signal and are carried back to pitchside  ) I thought we just failed to create. Merse is correct in that Sills was not impressive, but we are failing to play to his limited strengths. We lack creativity and threat. We are easy to defend against. 0 wins in 5, 2 in 10 and 3 in 15.......simply not good enough and no sign of a change in approach. |
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Post by Dave on Sept 4, 2008 21:43:10 GMT
Yes well, I happened to be sat very similarly to you Dave and I thought the confidence Kiddie gained from that late goal just before half time gave them the momentum to push on a bit. I couldn't see any "hoof ball" , though I bet you did, and I bet you found the catering prices more to your liking! [/color] [/quote] Sarcasm is the lower form of wit Merse, If you failed to see, how they passed the ball in the second half far better than we did, thats no my fault. Maybe you wear blinkers, like those horses do, when it suits you.The fact is we put in effort the first half, but never looked like scoring. Second half until the lightweight one came on,we were very poor. Good to see that even with big physical defenders, Benyon was able to use his football skill and brain, to create a few chances. |
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So is that down to Paul Buckle or Tim Sills?
) I thought we just failed to create. Merse is correct in that Sills was not impressive, but we are failing to play to his limited strengths. We lack creativity and threat. We are easy to defend against. 0 wins in 5, 2 in 10 and 3 in 15.......simply not good enough and no sign of a change in approach.