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Post by Dave on Jul 2, 2009 19:17:02 GMT
Well there was me thinking it was only Torbay who suffered from those terrible people known as nimbies, you know the ones who stand in the way of progress, stop their place moving into the 21st Century. Well shock horror as it not only happens in Torbay. Back in 2005, Irish millionaire Ben Dunne brought four football pitches, six tennis courts, one hockey pitch, one rugby pitch, two cricket squares, a rifle range, and a double storey pavilion. He paid £3million for this complex: the former-BBC Sports Ground in south west London. Ben had plans for the site that the locals were strongly against. He wanted to build a fitness centre there (presumably by demolishing existing buildings), but never made an official application as the opposition from local residents was so fierce.As it is today
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2009 19:56:15 GMT
This looks like Motspur Park to me, overlooked by Bargate Close, New Malden from where my father set off for his 1940s Grand Tour of North Africa and Italy which featured a spell on the beach at Anzio. I had a quick look on the day of our FA Trophy match at Wimbledon and thought how pleased my dad would be that Fulham - his team - now train just over the road at the old University of London sports ground.
London is many-splendoured chain of communities which features everyone from international urban sophisticates through to - excuse the word - "bumpkins". People from every country in the world - I suspect my father would be intrigued by New Malden's current resemblance to Seoul - and those whose families have lived in the same community for years.
This was brought home to me when sat with Brentford fans at one of those LDV finals at Cardiff. An old chap turned to his wife and said: "it's always such a long way when the final isn't played in London!" Well, Middlesex to Cardiff is pretty much the same distance as Cardiff to Middlesex and I'm sure it's quite possible to see Isleworth in rather the same way as some of us might view Newton Abbot or Paignton. It's a funny old place is London...
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Post by Dave on Jul 2, 2009 20:54:38 GMT
I'll have to take your word for it Barton as to its location, it was just the story I was interested in, but I would expect there is far more too it. Still looking at the site as it is now, the Rec site on our seafront looks rather Grand I feel
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2009 20:58:15 GMT
The sports grounds of London - banks, civil service, colleges, large organisations - is probably a thread waiting to happen!
Motspur Park isn't what you might call a poor area. It's now far too late but I'd love to know the reasoning behind my grandparents' move in the late 1940s from a new house in that neck of the woods to a rather older house in Kenwyn Road, Ellacombe. I wonder what the comparative value of each house was in those days compared with more recent times?
Close to Plainmoor, mind you.
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Post by Dave on Jul 2, 2009 21:21:13 GMT
The sports grounds of London - banks, civil service, colleges, large organisations - is probably a thread waiting to happen! Motspur Park isn't what you might call a poor area. It's now far too late but I'd love to know the reasoning behind my grandparents' move in the late 1940s from a new house in that neck of the woods to a rather older house in Kenwyn Road, Ellacombe. I wonder what the comparative value of each house was in those days compared with more recent times? Close to Plainmoor, mind you. The opportunity to live with the wonderful Devon and Torbay folk, they were the lucky ones, they got out
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2009 21:46:04 GMT
The opportunity to live with the wonderful Devon and Torbay folk Hmm. Not quite the view of my mother, also a Londoner!
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Post by Rob on Jul 2, 2009 23:32:04 GMT
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Post by merse on Jul 3, 2009 3:15:47 GMT
Thanks to Sean North, our club have actually used the Fulham facilities prior to the cup tie at AFC Wimbledon and for a couple of other trips in the area over the past two seasons.
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Post by Dave on Jul 3, 2009 6:02:40 GMT
Is this the same place as the former-BBC Sports Ground? as it does not look the same and the pictures I put up I believe were only taken a few weeks ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2009 6:22:50 GMT
Is this the same place as the former-BBC Sports Ground? as it does not look the same and the pictures I put up I believe were only taken a few weeks ago. Other side of the road, Dave. Slap bang opposite.
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Post by midlandstufc on Jul 3, 2009 17:51:41 GMT
The sports grounds of London - banks, civil service, colleges, large organisations - is probably a thread waiting to happen! I think the Civil Service Ground at Chiswick is under threat due to lack of use. I'd imagine the value of the real estate is substantial but I'm not sure. The Civil Service sports ground in Birmingham has just shut down - a sign of today's society that is ever changing I would say. On another note my auntie still lives in Kenwyn Road and my grandmother moved to Newton in 1940 (from Greenwich); not that I'm sure why I want to share that. Other than that my 'friends' down the pub think that I'm a 'cockenee' just because I come from down South, which just goes to prove that the North/South divide works both ways - oh that was another thread... oh well time to kick some ass on Medieval Total War (home alone and loving it - what a sad life I lead!!).
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Post by midlandstufc on Jul 3, 2009 17:52:55 GMT
Oh, and Dave, it should strictly be 'Nimbys'. Sorry from Mr Pedant.
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Post by merse on Jul 3, 2009 19:43:48 GMT
I think the Civil Service Ground at Chiswick is under threat due to lack of use. I'd imagine the value of the real estate is substantial but I'm not sure. You could well be right..........................I took a look at it only this week after I had left nearby Chiswick House (what a beautiful building in absolutley disgracefully let go grounds) and the grandstand now looks forlornly over a derelict pitch and running track that both hold claims to sporting heritage. The pitch once hosted Fulham Rugby League Football Club and the athletics track used to stage the finish of the once famous Windsor to Chiswick Marathon..................one of the iconic and original "landmarks" of the event that ran from 1909 until it's demise in 1996 when it fell victim to traffic problems and the diversion of attention from totally serious marathons to these ludicrous charity runs in which the dedicated and very top athletes so deserving of our support and interest have to share the stage with attention seeking "Bugs Bunnies" and every other insult to the serious athlete in the shape of fancy dressed no hopers running in their wake merely to get the TV coverage and all important sponsorship. "The Polytechnic Marathon", to give it the proper name; had it's origins in the 1908 London Olympic Marathon which due it's length from the start beneath the Royal Apartments of Windsor Castle to the White City Stadium over what became the accepted Marathon distance of 26 miles and 385 yards (until then marathons were merely "A very large distance") which was also measurable from the same start to Stamford Bridge SW6 where it finished until 1932. By then the Polytechnic Club had opened their stadium in Hartington Road W4 and thus the finish was switched to there and so it stayed until those dreaded traffic issues led to it eventually being run around the Windsor area so that it also finished in the Royal Borough from 1973 until 1992. Although it came back to it's former "home" for a final four years, where the likes of the famous Jim Peters had broken the world record whilst winning it in 1953; it's days were numbered and today the site stands as forlornly as I describe it with the rather shabby two tiered grandstand flanked by some brand new steel clad indoor facilities that appear to house a private health club so beloved of the ipod listening "yuppy" set who have turned "keeping fit" into something approaching a fashion show and as about anything resembling proper sport as ballroom dancing is to all in wrestling. A real shame to see any proper sporting venue reduced to such embarassing shabbiness and I predict it won't be long before that historic grandstand has to come down so that it doesn't offend the "Ruperts and Jemimas" on their treadmills.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2009 8:28:03 GMT
I guess my father would have played on some of those old suburban London sports grounds either side of WW2. He's long gone now - he died during the week of that FA Cup tie at Leicester in 1971 - so I was never to check all the details but I do have this in my possession: The headquarters of the West End AFA was given at the Feathers Hotel, Broadway, Westminster SW1 (Whitehall 3991). It was very much a "business and commerce league" made up of retailers, building societies, manufacturers, utility providers and such like. As well as being a piece of amateur football history, the handbook also provides a snapshot of London commercial life seventy years ago: And with this being the handbook for the 1938/39 season what were their hopes and fears for the next? I have to make the assumption my father was playing for Byron, the team of John Lewis & Co. Ltd, which played its home games in the Thames valley at Cookham, near Maidenhead. From what I remember my father grew up in Delvino Road SW6 (well-placed for both Craven Cottage and Stamford Bridge) before moving with his parents to New Malden sometime in the 1930s. His first job was with Bentalls, the big department store in Kingston-upon-Thames. Within a few years he'd moved on to work for Peter Jones at Sloane Square, one of the John Lewis partnership's flagship stores. After that it was the war, a shop in Babbacombe and many years as a commercial traveller. Peter Jones must have been an exciting place to work in the 1930s with its famous fashionable clientele and its brand new store (pictured below). 25/30 years later my father still used to name-drop his old customers. We once went to Portmeirion in North Wales and we had to hear about the carpet he sold to Clough William Ellis....
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